flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

yeah if you believe that astronauts cant recall if they heard engines taking off from the moon or not and whether they could see stars from the moon, and the fact they have wires on their back on the nasa site all over the place, then of course they went to the moon ... try researching that as long as i have and get back to me, oh captain of sheep ... keep believing the gov., they cant find the blueprints to the LM or LR and the van allen belt is easily navigated ... blindly follow what you have been duped into swallowing :)
Oh my god, i was actually hoping that you would say that you do believe they
landed on the moon. Because then there might have still been some hope for you.
BUT YOU'RE CLEARLY TRAPPED IN CONSPIRACY LAND FOR LIFE - THAT'S SAD!!!
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

yeah maxi, check out those vehicles, with less than a pocket calculator worth of computer strength back then, and buggies such as the above, i mean what sane person would think nasa was lying or that the whole prgram was used as propaganda to best the rooskies and bilk billions of $$$ directed elsewhere from taxpayers, but oh, i forgot you invented gullible so its one more hoax you swallow :)
 
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

I found/find it pretty hard to believe that you and some other retards
actually fell for all of this 9/11 conspiracy bullshit, but i just laughed it off.

But now you're also saying that you don't
believe that we ever landed on the moon.

YOU HAVE CONFIRMED IT,
YOU REALLY ARE A QWACK

Continue on with your nonsense, i'm done here !
Go do what you do best, lead your herd of sheep
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

hey maxi,

what do you think of the OBL tapes, mcguffins or not? :)
 
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

There's no solid proof to show they're real,
[other than the fact that they can't put words in his mouth]
there's no solid proof to show they're fake.
[other than what the conspiracy theorists want to dream up]
I'm sure that that means it's all a conspiracy to you. :LMAO

NEXT QUESTION?
- Dime a Dozen -
 

the glue

EOG Veteran
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

I'm not saying it is,but it looks fake as a motherfucker... LOL..
 

roscoe

EOG Veteran
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

2348ji23eMoon rocks
The Apollo Program collected a total of 382 kilograms of Moon rocks during the Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17 missions. Analyses by scientists worldwide all agree that these rocks came from the Moon?no published accounts in peer-reviewed scientific journals are known that dispute this claim. The Apollo samples are easily distinguishable from both meteorites and terrestrial rocks<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-60>[61]</SUP> in that they show a complete lack of hydrous alteration products, they show evidence for having been subjected to impact events on an airless body, and they have unique geochemical characteristics. Furthermore, most are significantly older than the oldest rocks found on Earth (by up to 700,000,000 years). Most importantly, though, they share the same characteristics as the Soviet lunar samples that were obtained at a later date.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-61>[62]</SUP>
Hoax proponents argue that Wernher von Braun's trip to Antarctica in 1967 (two years prior to the Apollo missions) was in order to study and/or collect lunar meteorites to be used as fake Moon rocks. Because von Braun was a former SS officer (though one who had been detained by the Gestapo),<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-62>[63]</SUP> hoax proponents have suggested<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-Moonhoaxcom_17-1>[18]</SUP> that he could have been susceptible to pressure to agree to the conspiracy in order to protect himself from recriminations over the past. While NASA does not provide much information about why the MSFC Director and three others were in Antarctica at that time, it has said that the purpose was "to look into environmental and logistic factors that might relate to the planning of future space missions, and hardware".<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-63>[64]</SUP> An article on Sankar Chatterjee at Texas Tech University states that von Braun sent a letter to F. Alton Wade, Chatterjee's predecessor, and that "Von Braun was searching for a secretive locale to help train the United States? earliest astronauts. Wade pointed von Braun to Antarctica." Even today, NASA continues to send teams to work in parts of Antarctica that are very dry and mimic the conditions on other planets such as Mars and the Moon.
It is now accepted by the scientific community that rocks have been ejected from both the Martian and lunar surface during impact events, and that some of these have landed on the Earth in the form of Martian and lunar meteorites.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-64>[65]</SUP><SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-65>[66]</SUP> However, the first antarctic lunar meteorite was collected in 1979, and its lunar origin was not recognized until 1982.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-Korotev2005_66-0>[67]</SUP> If scientists did not already possess lunar samples to compare with, it would be difficult to conclusively prove that these meteorites were in fact derived from the Moon<SUP class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</SUP>. Furthermore, lunar meteorites are so rare that it is very improbable that they could account for the 382 kilograms of Moon rocks that NASA obtained between 1969 and 1972. Currently, there are only about 30 kilograms of lunar meteorites in existence, even though private collectors and governmental agencies worldwide have been searching for these for more than 20 years.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-Korotev2005_66-1>[67]</SUP>
Even if the Apollo Moon rocks were collected from the lunar surface, some hoax proponents argue<SUP class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</SUP> that they were collected robotically. However, the large combined mass of the Apollo samples makes this scenario implausible. While the Apollo missions obtained 382 kilograms of Moon rocks, the Soviet Luna 16, 20, and 24 robotic sample return missions only obtained 326 grams combined (that is, less than one-thousandth as much). Indeed, current plans for a Martian sample return would only obtain about 500 grams of soil,<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-67>[68]</SUP> and a recently proposed South Pole-Aitken basin sample return mission would only obtain about 1 kilogram of Moon rock.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-68>[69]</SUP> If a similar technology to collect the Apollo Moon rocks was used as with the Soviet missions or modern sample return proposals, then between 300 and 2000 robotic sample return missions would be required to obtain the current mass of Moon rocks that is curated by NASA.
Concerning the composition of the Moon rocks, Kaysing asked:
Why was there no mention of gold, silver, diamonds, or other precious metals on the Moon? It was never discussed by the press or astronauts.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-kaysing2002_3-5>[4]</SUP><SUP>, p. 8</SUP>
Geologists realize that gold and silver deposits on Earth are the result of the action of hydrothermal fluids concentrating the precious metals into veins of ore. Since even in 1969 water was known to be absent on the Moon, no geologist would bother discussing the possibility of finding these on the Moon in any significant quantity
 
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

This is a special gift for all of you conspiracy fruitloops.
Watch and listen very carefully - then go shoot yourself.

All of these recordings are all bullshit too right?
You bunch of fuckin consiracy freaks with your remote control theories.

Watch this you conspiracy freak -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q8uKcVbr9w&NR=1

what do you think of this one numb brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h9ykul4gWc&feature=related



what do you think of this one numb brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Tr0u35Tek&feature=related

what do you think of this one numb brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBjgV1plf2M&feature=related

what do you think of this one numb brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUrxsrTKHN4&feature=related

what do you think of this one numb brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmdDRyD2R0

what do you think of this one numb brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl4RFoT-sJQ&feature=related

what do you think of this one numb brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z96MZOZyilo

Have you ever heard your boyfriend 'jeff shure' speak?
He sounds like a fucking little kid in grade school asking for ice cream.
::LMAO:: ::LMAO:: ::LMAO:: ::LMAO:: ::LMAO:: ::LMAO:: ::LMAO:: ::LMAO:: ::LMAO:: ::LMAO::


I SUPPOSE YOU THINK THAT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE STILL ALIVE TOO.
YOU SORRY ASS HEARTLESS/BRAINLESS MOTHER FUCKER !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JRwuLh_aKU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwrMzXYvhPM&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oJ0-uJwZ1s&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69P_95NkUrY&NR=1

Now this one i'm sure you fuckin fruitloops will really enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxRvExqN7_E&feature=related
:LMAO :LMAO :LMAO :LMAO :LMAO :LMAO :LMAO :LMAO :LMAO
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

hey obsessive dolt, so if they say (your heroes) that is OBL on the tape and its obvious to any idiot that its not, then you dont think they are orchestrating fear .... sorry i have seen 100s more vids than you and read thousands of more books and listened to programs and you are so far behind me, you have to play catch up, but its not my job to educate you by holding your hand ... sides you have threatened to leave a few times, why dont you go... could it be bc you know deep down you are a lemming and cant see the truth, why of course it is :)

ps you are posting neoncon dike finger coverups, i looked at 2 you sent for 5 secs and had seen them and laughed long ago at the feeble whitewashing ... you really amuse me tho, the ultimate sheep ... those phone calls never happened, you already said in babs case they dont matter, so you cant have it both ways ... and keep cursing me, maxipads, it shows your lack of substance :)


pss find me some vids of the lunar dockings :+textinb3
 
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

YOU HAVE CONFIRMED IT,
YOU REALLY ARE A QWACK

You're a waste of breath, could you possibly shoot yourself today? :+clueless
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

you contradict yourself left and right and then tell me to shoot myself ... lunar docking please???
 

roscoe

EOG Veteran
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Critics of these conspiracy theories say they are a form of conspiracism common throughout history after a traumatic event in which conspiracy theories emerge as a mythic form of explanation.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-196>[197]</SUP> A related criticism addresses the form of research on which the theories are based. Thomas W. Eagar, an engineering professor at MIT, suggested they "use the 'reverse scientific method'. They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-197>[198]</SUP> Eagar's criticisms also exemplify a common stance that the theories are best ignored. "I've told people that if the argument gets too mainstream, I'll engage in the debate." This, he continues, happened when Steve Jones took up the issue. The basic assumption is that conspiracy theories embody a set of previously held or quickly assembled beliefs about how society works, which are then legitimized by further "research". Taking such beliefs seriously, even if only to criticize them, it is argued, merely grants them further legitimacy.
Michael Shermer, writing in Scientific American, said: "The mistaken belief that a handful of unexplained anomalies can undermine a well-established theory lies at the heart of all conspiratorial thinking. All the evidence for a 9/11 conspiracy falls under the rubric of this fallacy. Such notions are easily refuted by noting that scientific theories are not built on single facts alone but on a convergence of evidence assembled from multiple lines of inquiry."<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-198>[199]</SUP>
Scientific American,<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-SciAm_199-0>[200]</SUP> Popular Mechanics,<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-200>[201]</SUP> and The Skeptic's Dictionary<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-201>[202]</SUP> have published articles that rebut various 9/11 conspiracy theories. Proponents of these conspiracy theories have attacked the contribution to the Popular Mechanics article by senior researcher Ben Chertoff, who they say is a cousin of Michael Chertoff ? current head of Homeland Security.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-202>[203]</SUP> However, U.S News says no actual connection has been revealed and Ben Chertoff has denied the allegation.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-203>[204]</SUP> Popular Mechanics has published a book entitled Debunking 9/11 Myths that expands upon the research first presented in the article.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-204>[205]</SUP> In the forward for the book Presumptive Republican Party nominee John McCain wrote that 9/11 conspiracy theorists "mars the memories of all those lost on that day" and "exploits the public's anger and sadness. It shakes Americans' faith in their government at a time when that faith is already near an all-time low. It trafficks in ugly, unfounded accusations of extraordinary evil against fellow Americans."<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-205>[206]</SUP> Der Spiegel dismissed 9/11 conspiracy theories as a "panoply of the absurd", stating "as diverse as these theories and their adherents may be, they share a basic thought pattern: great tragedies must have great reasons.":cheers91023i2ndw;l
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

hey, roscoe, long time no see, you ole son of a gun ... so is the official sheep version less of a conspiracy fairy tale? and how many hours have you delved into looking at both sides and sifting thru what you feel holds up?

see ya, pal :)
 
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

... lunar docking please???
Even more proof that you're clueless. you need someone else to show you facts.

IT'S BEEN CONFIRMED,
YOU REALLY ARE A QWACK

One can only assume, that you're a big fan of 'looney tune' cartoons too.

Have you been missing your appointments with your psychiatrist ???
 
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

There's only 1 reason and 1 reason only, that these threads continue on for so long.
That is because you can not show one single fuckin piece of solid hard factual proof.

Your only way out of your embarrassing misery is to ask others to show proof.

IT'S BEEN CONFIRMED,
YOU REALLY ARE A QWACK
 
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

When you started this thread did you not expect to be asked some questions?
You continue to flip it around onto us and asking us all the fuckin questions.

[get out of your hole] ANSWER THE FUCKIN QUESTIONS !!!

All of these recordings are all bullshit too right?
You bunch of fuckin consiracy freaks with your remote control theories.


Watch this 1 you conspiracy freak - what do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q8uKcVbr9w&NR=1


what do you think of this one numb brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h9ykul4gWc&feature=related

what do you think of this one numb brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Tr0u35Tek&feature=related


what do you think of this one numb brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBjgV1plf2M&feature=related


what do you think of this one numb brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUrxsrTKHN4&feature=related


what do you think of this one numb brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmdDRyD2R0


what do you think of this one numb brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl4RFoT-sJQ&feature=related


what do you think of this one numb brain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z96MZOZyilo





I SUPPOSE YOU THINK THAT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE STILL ALIVE TOO.
YOU HEARTLESS and BRAINLESS MOTHER FUCKER !
Everyone of these people just mysteriously disappeared right ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JRwuLh_aKU&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwrMzXYvhPM&NR=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oJ0-uJwZ1s&NR=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69P_95NkUrY&NR=1

I'm just asking that you debunk [1 of them] with some actual fuckin facts.
If that's not enough questions to choose from, i have 100 more for yah !

We're all waiting patiently for your answer !
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

the couple i looked at were things i saw long ago and these people are plants, paid off, etc etc (check sgt matthew tartaglia for the truth, a first responder on many radio shows)... i dont waste my time with simpletons like you who try to goose chase me to researching shills ...

boy, you sure have anger issues, maxi ... you never answer any of my questions or you say things like babs olson doesnt matter, what a laugh, its shows how ignorant you are bc thats the crux of the 9/11 fairy tale, the boxcutters saga, but of course since you refuse to say exactly what you believe you can remain Teflon :) ...

theres a guy named lloyd england, one of your witnesses at the pentagon that holds up your fairy tale ... the garbage you linked is just that, sheep mulch, dorthy's poppy field for people like you, and yes i believe none of it ...

link to lloyd

http://www.blinkx.com/video/the-fir...eaturing-lloyd-england/BMGqGGzeEDceHLl7ApptUA


see, maxi, i have read prob 1000xs more than you on 9/11 and you are so far behind me that you cant possibly affect what i know ... you ever wonder why you dont see any news shows on 9/11, false flags, iraq? nah, that would require some serious soul searching, so stay somnolently purblind, my friend :)

ps please research lisa jefferson for a colossal belly laugh :+textinb3
 
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

IT'S BEEN CONFIRMED,
YOU REALLY ARE A QWACK


You are officially the biggest qwack on the internet, seek some help.

:+clueless ::LMAO:: :+clueless ::LMAO:: :+clueless ::LMAO:: :+clueless ::LMAO:: :+clueless ::LMAO:: :+clueless ::LMAO:: :+clueless ::LMAO:: :+clueless
 
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Your always good for a daily laugh, that's for sure -
:+clueless ::LMAO:: :LMAO ::LMAO:: :+clueless ::LMAO:: :LMAO ::LMAO:: :+clueless ::LMAO:: :LMAO ::LMAO::
 
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

case closed, you have run out of ideas :)
:+textinb3 ::LMAO:: :LMAO :+clueless :+textinb3 ::LMAO:: :LMAO :+clueless

You haven't had one single idea yet that made one bit of sense.
you're right [case closed, you have run out of ideas] :+clueless

Are you waiting for your leaders to give you some more bullshit ammo?
:+clueless ::LMAO:::LMAO :+clueless ::LMAO:: :LMAO :+clueless ::LMAO:: :LMAO :+clueless ::LMAO:: :LMAO
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

do you like cartoons? infatuated with icons and laughing ...

you cant look into the truth, that shows your weakness, i look at both sides ... its ok to not agree with me, but at least debate the topics ... you refuse to do this as i have said, but being an infant its precludes one doing this :)
 

scrimmage

What you contemplate you imitate
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Dime/Maxim,or Maxim/Dime;

This thread has become a ball of confusion,and what's the question again?
Anyway the 2 of you going at it remind me of these 2[Lokai and Bele] frrom the original Star Trek series:



Star Trek Epsiode 70, Season 3:
Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
Plot summary here:
http://www.ericweisstein.com/fun/startrek/LetThatBeYourLastBattlefield.html

Some episode dialogue:


Spock: Fascinating. Two irrevocably hostile humanoids.
Scotty: Disgusting is what I call them.
Spock: That description is not scientifically accurate.
Scotty: Mr. Spock, the word "disgusting" describes exactly what I feel about those two.
Kirk: That's enough for today. Those two are beginning to affect you

Uhura: It doesn't make any sense.
Spock: To expect sense from two mentalities of such extreme viewpoints is not logical.
Sulu: But their planet's dead. Does it matter now which one's right?
Spock: Not to Lokai and Bele. All that matters to them is their hate.
Uhura: Do you suppose that's all they ever had, sir?
Kirk: No. But that's all they have left.
 
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Quote:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by DimeDR
this is a great film, too avante garde for the sheep, but thought provoking for the enlightened ...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1981225573970187433

go to 128:00 and watch for 3 mins to get a sample .... the film starts slow so skip to 9 mins in and learn more than you dare

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
You posted this link to a movie that was made by a couple of maniac clowns on acid and you actually expect anyone with a partially normal brain to take it seriously? What you don't realize [because you're so trapped now by your leaders] is that this film just shows everyone more proof of how ridiculously retarded all of this nonsense that you're spitting out really is. You failed to notice a VERY KEY statement that was made by your very own delirious leaders. For anyone that actually bothers to waste their time watching any of this bullshit film, there is a KEY statement made by these morons that you must hear that really sums up all of this nonsense from these conspiracy freaks. Listen to their KEY statement made at the [34:33] mark. "Like everything, we don't exactly know". :LMAO I'm sure that was just a little slip up in their demented brains that went unnoticed when they edited this film. I'm also sure that as their #1 follower ['Dime a Dozen'] will be sure to do his duty and report this blunder to his 'conspiracy theorist' leaders pronto.
:+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3
'Dime a Dozen' actually says this in his opening post,
"this is a great film" [confirmation of a true sheep]
:+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3 :+textinb3


We all know John O'neil is still alive, [you are John O'neil] :LMAO
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

would you please explain how there was molten metal in the basements of the wtcs three months after 9/11 ... remember, for that to happen the temps had to almost double the heat created by kerosene based jet fuel ... and yes look around there are many people who will testify that the basements looked like forge, meaning liquified metal.

lets try to stay on topic, look at yourself, you have gone mad posting nonsense and refuse to debate anything
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

would you please explain how there was molten metal in the basements of the wtcs three months after 9/11 ... remember, for that to happen the temps had to almost double the heat created by kerosene based jet fuel ... and yes look around there are many people who will testify that the basements looked like forge, meaning liquified metal.

lets try to stay on topic, look at yourself, you have gone mad posting nonsense and refuse to debate anything
You really are a fool Dime - A fire can be started with a match which generates very little heat, that doesn't mean thats as hot as the fire will ever get.:doh1
 
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

would you please explain how there was molten metal in the basements of the wtcs three months after 9/11 ... remember, for that to happen the temps had to almost double the heat created by kerosene based jet fuel ... and yes look around there are many people who will testify that the basements looked like forge, meaning liquified metal.

lets try to stay on topic, look at yourself, you have gone mad posting nonsense and refuse to debate anything
This is exactly the #1 problem here, [because you're so trapped by your leaders].
You continue to post total nonsense like this crap above and expect to debate it.
There is no fucking debate, that doesn't have a fucking thing to do with a conspiracy.

This is just another example of you posting nothing more than nonsense.

WHERE'S THE FUCKIN FACTS? YOU HAVEN'T SHOWN (1) YET!

would you please explain how there was molten metal in the basements of the wtcs three months after 9/11 ...
No, i won't explain it, [if that's even true] and you won't either, so don't even try to because you don't know shit about it. A fuckin scientific engineer could take a decade to figure it out. We've never experienced this type or size of building falling to the ground. Everybody is learning from this experience. [INCLUDING YOU GENIUS]
 

scrimmage

What you contemplate you imitate
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

You really are a fool Dime - A fire can be started with a match which generates very little heat, that doesn't mean thats as hot as the fire will ever get.:doh1

merlin,
Who's the fool?You pull stuff out of the air,without research.
"a match which generates very little heat"?...

A match as shown in the table below will reach a temperature of between 600-800 degrees Celsius[thats 1112-1472 fahrenheit].

A fire will only get as hot as the burning point of the material ignited,for example paper burns at 451 degrees,just as jet fuel burns at a much lower temperature than the melting point of steel.

Chart from:
http://www.derose.net/steve/resources/engtables/flametemp.html
<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 align=center border=1><COLGROUP><COL align=left><COL align=right></COLGROUP><TBODY><TR><TH>Fuel and Oxidizer type</B></TH><TH>Temperature (Celsius)</TH></TR><TR><TD>Fluorescent light</TD><TD>60-80</TD></TR><TR><TD>Incandescent light</TD><TD>100-300</TD></TR><TR><TD>Cigarettes - unventilated conditions</TD><TD>288</TD></TR><TR><TD>Cigarettes - ventilated</TD><TD>400-780</TD></TR><TR><TD>Cigarettes - insulated and smoldering </TD><TD>510-621</TD></TR><TR><TD>Stove element</TD><TD>>550</TD></TR><TR><TD>Match</TD><TD>600-800</TD></TR><TR><TD>Tungsten halogen light</TD><TD>600-900</TD></TR><TR><TD>Candle flame</TD><TD>600-1,400</TD></TR><TR><TD>Electrical spark</TD><TD>1,316</TD></TR><TR><TD>Bunsen burner</TD><TD>1,570</TD></TR><TR><TD>Methanol/air</TD><TD>1,910</TD></TR><TR><TD>Methane/air</TD><TD>1,920-1,949</TD></TR><TR><TD>Butane/air</TD><TD>1,977</TD></TR><TR><TD>Propane/air</TD><TD>1,977</TD></TR><TR><TD>Wood/air
(most organics are about here))

</TD><TD>~1977</TD></TR><TR><TD>MAPP Gas/air</TD><TD>


</TD></TR><TR><TD>Hydrogen/air</TD><TD>2,210</TD></TR><TR><TD>Carbon monoxide/air</TD><TD>2,468</TD></TR><TR><TD>Acetylene/air</TD><TD>2,632</TD></TR><TR><TD>Acetylene/Oxygen</TD><TD>3,300</TD></TR><TR><TD>Hydrogen/Oxygen</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>Electrical arcing</TD><TD><3,750</TD></TR><TR><TD>Plasma torch</TD><TD>~4,700</TD></TR><TR><TD>Lightning</TD><TD>30,000</TD></TR><!-- In air: H2: 2210 CO: 2452CH4:2065C2H6:2105C2H4:2343C2H2:2632--></TBODY></TABLE>
 
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Oh boy, another genius with nothing to offer but more nonsense.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

merlin,
Who's the fool?You pull stuff out of the air,without research.
"a match which generates very little heat"?...

A match as shown in the table below will reach a temperature of between 600-800 degrees Celsius[thats 1112-1472 fahrenheit].

A fire will only get as hot as the burning point of the material ignited,for example paper burns at 451 degrees,just as jet fuel burns at a much lower temperature than the melting point of steel.

Chart from:
http://www.derose.net/steve/resources/engtables/flametemp.html
<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 align=center border=1><COLGROUP><COL align=left><COL align=right></COLGROUP><TBODY><TR><TH>Fuel and Oxidizer type</B></TH><TH>Temperature (Celsius)</TH></TR><TR><TD>Fluorescent light</TD><TD>60-80</TD></TR><TR><TD>Incandescent light</TD><TD>100-300</TD></TR><TR><TD>Cigarettes - unventilated conditions</TD><TD>288</TD></TR><TR><TD>Cigarettes - ventilated</TD><TD>400-780</TD></TR><TR><TD>Cigarettes - insulated and smoldering </TD><TD>510-621</TD></TR><TR><TD>Stove element</TD><TD>>550</TD></TR><TR><TD>Match</TD><TD>600-800</TD></TR><TR><TD>Tungsten halogen light</TD><TD>600-900</TD></TR><TR><TD>Candle flame</TD><TD>600-1,400</TD></TR><TR><TD>Electrical spark</TD><TD>1,316</TD></TR><TR><TD>Bunsen burner</TD><TD>1,570</TD></TR><TR><TD>Methanol/air</TD><TD>1,910</TD></TR><TR><TD>Methane/air</TD><TD>1,920-1,949</TD></TR><TR><TD>Butane/air</TD><TD>1,977</TD></TR><TR><TD>Propane/air</TD><TD>1,977</TD></TR><TR><TD>Wood/air
(most organics are about here))


</TD><TD>~1977</TD></TR><TR><TD>MAPP Gas/air</TD><TD>



</TD></TR><TR><TD>Hydrogen/air</TD><TD>2,210</TD></TR><TR><TD>Carbon monoxide/air</TD><TD>2,468</TD></TR><TR><TD>Acetylene/air</TD><TD>2,632</TD></TR><TR><TD>Acetylene/Oxygen</TD><TD>3,300</TD></TR><TR><TD>Hydrogen/Oxygen</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>Electrical arcing</TD><TD><3,750</TD></TR><TR><TD>Plasma torch</TD><TD>~4,700</TD></TR><TR><TD>Lightning</TD><TD>30,000</TD></TR><!-- In air: H2: 2210 CO: 2452CH4:2065C2H6:2105C2H4:2343C2H2:2632--></TBODY></TABLE>
Aside from being ridiculous and wrong(your own table lists 3 different temperatures for cigarettes- which is it?), I see you list wood at 2000 degrees C - that like 3500 F, what temp does metal melt?
 
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This is a [so-called] conspiracy thread, forget about those match sticks.

Where's the fuckin proof of a conspiracy???
 

scrimmage

What you contemplate you imitate
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Aside from being ridiculous and wrong(your own table lists 3 different temperatures for cigarettes- which is it?), I see you list wood at 2000 degrees C - that like 3500 F, what temp does metal melt?

The table describes adiabatic flame temperatures,where there's no loss of heat[as in a lab],but none the less a match has a very high temperature,albeit for a short time,which was the point of bringing up the chart.
There's 3 different temperatures listed for cigarettes under 3 different conditions, "ventilated,unventilated, insulated and smoldering".
As for how wood could flame so hot?Here's an answer...

Excerpt below from:
http://www.doctorfire.com/flametmp.html

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="90%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=pagesubtitles align=middle>Adiabatic flame temperature


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=mainjust>When one consults combustion textbooks for the topic of 'flame temperature,' what one normally finds are tabulations of the adiabatic flame temperature.

'Adiabatic' means without losing heat. Thus, these temperatures would be achieved in a (fictional) combustion system where there were no losses.

Even though real-world combustion systems are not adiabatic, the reason why such tabulations are convenient is because these temperatures can be computed from fundamental thermochemical considerations: a fire experiment is not necessary.

For methane burning in air, the adiabatic flame temperature is 1949?C, while for propane it is 1977?C, for example. The value for wood is nearly identical to that for propane. The adiabatic flame temperatures for most common organic substances burned in air are, in fact, nearly indistinguishable. These temperatures are vastly higher than what any thermocouple inserted into a building fire will register!

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

maxim, you crack me up ... you want proof but no matter who says what or what anyone can show you, link you, say to you, you just deny and scream IT ISNT PROOF!!!!!!!!

fine we get your point, you believe 19 boxcutters that couldnt fly and did not have tix, and repeatedly entered the usa on expired passports, got on planes and have never been shown on airport security cams flew impossible routes into the 3 buildings in question ... well, i would love you to ask any pilot if they could fly hani's path ... i have asked a couple and they laughed at the possibilties, i have heard expert pilots testify there is no way they couldve done it ... but again thats not proof to you bc nothing is ...

as far as the heat, you cant comprehend it bc you havent listened to anyone break it down, i again understand that--nasa has shown 2500 degree infared pics at ground zero heated waaaaay past the point of kerosene jet fuel; and can you tell me how the wtcs concrete was turned to fine powder and how nothing was found such as computers, phones etc; and why all these different people testified to dozens of explosions, what exactly was blowing up in there; and finally answer me this, why does william rodriguez say there was an explosion in the basement well before the flight 175 hit the 2nd tower and why didnt the kean commission use him as a source in their reports, he was the last man out who saved many lives and was invited to the white house as a hero...

dont be a wuss, address all of those or prove yourself a coward

hey my man, did you check out your witness lloyd england, you got a little quiet on that one :)

ps could you tell me how steel girders weighing a ton or more got propelled 500' from the wts into surrounding bldgs such as the FEX X blgd. where they stuck like harpoons ....
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

and maxi, are you blind? this is not a conspiracy thread, its stated flight 77 black box has no serial #, LMAO ... your neocon heroes are the ones with the fairy tale; you must worship noam chomsky, gatekeeper cubed
 
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and maxi, are you blind? this is not a conspiracy thread, its stated flight 77 black box has no serial #,
Yes that's what it says, you braindead imbecile,
which you of all people know, is referring to a conspiracy.
But here you are once again trying to twist the truth in your favor. [typical]
:+textinb3what an idiot! [you keep diggin yourself deeper] ::LMAO::
 
Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

... you want proof but no matter who says what or what anyone can show you, link you, say to you, you just deny and scream IT ISNT PROOF!!!!!!!!
ps could you tell me how steel girders weighing a ton or more got propelled 500' from the wts into surrounding bldgs such as the FEX X blgd. where they stuck like harpoons ....
Of course i scream "it isn't proof", BECAUSE IT ISN'T and you know it's
not, but now you're trying to cover up your own ridiculous nonsense.
You have to say anything you can now because you've been exposed.
Unlike you [and your sheep friends], i actually need to see some fucking proof before i can believe a conspiracy. You fruitloops just need a random article off the internet and you're off to the races to spew some more of your conspiracy nonsense. You and your retarded friends can't think for yourselves, I CAN AND DO, that's the big difference here. One of the tallest buildings in the world comes tumbling down and metal flies from it so you freaks decide to include that in your far fetched conspiracy theory. A fucking 12 year old could answer that stupid ass question [which means of course that you can't]. It doesn't surprise me one bit that YOU can't figure out that a building falling from hundreds of feet in the air might throw some pieces out on the way down. [WHAT A BUNCH OF BRAINLESS FUCKIN MORONS]
as far as the heat, you cant comprehend it bc you havent listened to anyone break it down, i again understand that--nasa has shown 2500 degree infared pics at ground zero heated waaaaay past the point of kerosene jet fuel; and can you tell me how the wtcs concrete was turned to fine powder and how nothing was found such as computers, phones etc; and why all these different people testified to dozens of explosions, what exactly was blowing up in there; and finally answer me this, why does william rodriguez say there was an explosion in the basement well before the flight 175 hit the 2nd tower and why didnt the kean commission use him as a source in their reports, he was the last man out who saved many lives and was invited to the white house as a hero...

ps could you tell me how steel girders weighing a ton or more got propelled 500' from the wts into surrounding bldgs such as the FEX X blgd. where they stuck like harpoons ....
Here you go again, you just keep posting more bullshit that holds no merit at all, you continue spitting out nothing more than guesses and/or theory bullshit that you got from your freakish lunatic internet sheep. Your feeble attempts to try to prove any of your nonsense holds no more merit than a snot nosed child in grade school. Anybody [a lot of us already have] can read about or watch videos about the continuos bullshit that you spew, [that doesn't mean it's true] you fucking imbecile. Now your only way out of your misery from being exposed as a lunatic is to keep posting even more theories. You actually keep digging yourself a bigger hole. From the very beginning you were asked to show some factual proof. Of course you couldn't and you didn't, but now you're crying about it, [because you're caught] with no factual/actual proof to get you out. It's all exactly what your titles say and nothing more, 'conspiracy theory'. Which opens the door for, [conspiracy freaks getting rich]. As long as these freaks have dedicated morons like you following them, they can't lose.


got on planes and have never been shown on airport security cams

You clearly do not pay attention to anything unless another freak sides with you [very rare].
I posted the video cam shots of numerous terrorists coming through the inspection area.
[now you're either a liar or just really stupid]
fine we get your point, you believe 19 boxcutters that couldnt fly and did not have tix, and repeatedly entered the usa on expired passports, got on planes and have never been shown on airport security cams flew impossible routes into the 3 buildings in question

Here's what i believe, [you braindead conspiracy freak].
A bunch of fuckin towelheads started cutting people up and hijacked some
planes, which they then flew into a couple different buildings killing 1000's.
I've already shown/given you absolute proof of those facts but of course
you choose to ignore them because you're a confirmed conspiracy freak.
... well, i would love you to ask any pilot if they could fly hani's path ... i have asked a couple and they laughed at the possibilties, i have heard expert pilots testify there is no way they couldve done it ... but again thats not proof to you bc nothing is ...
Once again you prove how ignorant you are with {zero common sense}.
Of course some pilots are going to say it's not possible,because they never had to fly
that crazy. They've never flown a fuckin suicide mission either, you fucking imbecile.

Let's just assume that every pilot on the planet says that that flight path
is not possible. [does that mean that it's not possible?] FUCK NO ! IDIOT!

Before the first plane in history ever flew, everybody and their brother
said they were crazy, it can't be done. Well you see the results today.
same things were said when they began experimenting with helicopters.
Just because people say something can't be done, doesn't mean it can't.

Now come on you wussy coward, show us 1 true piece of evidence
that anybody can see and say, "hey, that is actual proof of this".
(like i did,but you ignored it) :+clueless
 
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ps could you tell me how steel girders weighing a ton or more got propelled 500' from the wts into surrounding bldgs such as the FEX X blgd. where they stuck like harpoons ....
The more i thought about this jackoff childish question i remembered something.
Just by you asking this question alone shows that your brain is a lost cause.

Most all of your 'conspiracy freak' friends and followers are trying to
convince the public that those buildings were imploded, not exploded.
So you yourself just debunked the whole fuckin theory of an implosion.
If you're convinced that pieces flew out, then there was no implosion.

But now we know that all of this is meaningless because pieces fly when bldgs fall.

IT'S BEEN CONFIRMED,
YOU REALLY ARE A QWACK
 
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