flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

[DimeDR]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

umm you really do know nothing about 9/11, those security cams were not even at the airport they were supposed to be in ... try portland, maine, the other ones they may show are as fuzzy as your gray matter

you sure do duck a lot of questions, the heat, lloyd england, the pulverized powder, the girders shish kebabing the fed x building, and pilots, yes expert pilots disagree 100% with you (are you really a jedi pilot and have more knowledge than military pilots?) and took flight simulator tests where they failed 10xs in a row trying to redo the wtcs and pentagon flights ...

i dont know where to begin showing you what a novice you are .... you say you dont trust bush and the pnac, do you even know what that is? anyhow, but where did you get your facts? Fox, cnn, nbc? just where did you get your knowledge base? from the controlled media, the same media that wont even cover iraq anymore?

poor, sucker fish, maxi, the neocons just love your type: dupes that fight their battles ... someday you will see how ridic you look ....

do you know that not all that long ago, columbus was told the world was as square as you? and that galileo was imprisoned for touting heliocentrism ...

see, its ok to be wrong, many sheep are, but the thing is you cant beat the truth and all you ever say is the truthers are kooks and spout nonsense, well, my friend, we arent going away and we do our homework ... you are so far behind us, you really make us laugh ... the things you pull off PM or mark roberts sites are priceless, and when you are confronted with indisuputable facts, yes facts, you resort to name calling ...

so now, lets be real, go back and address all my questions, please check lloyd englands video, hes your prime witness at the pentagon, he was the cabbie who had a light pole go thru his windshield, remember him? check out how reliable he is


ps classic analogy with the wright bros, who i happen to know about inside out, trying to compare that with sci-fi flights ala flight 77 and doctored flight readings (go to pandoras black box if you want more proof, i posted the link) is hilarious, thats like postulating if babe ruth was on steroids hed of hit 1500 HRs--what a doofus statement


pss and your factual proof trumps OURS bc why again? you saw it on CNN or sean hannity told you--oh yeah, thats right LMAO


pss think there is any chance the gov. could show the DNA they recovered on the "crash sites" of the terrorists ... check gavin coburn again, my friend, the head researcher for PM, he was reduced to sawdust on goyettes show trying to defend that one ... hmmm, if they matched all the DNA, which the gov. is on record saying happened, then why did fbi head man, robert mueller, say, "we arent even sure of the true identities of all 19 terrorists" ... tough to match DNA that way, least from where i come from

game set match, capt. of sheeple

 

[DimeDR]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

again, what an asinine statement by you about implosion/explosion etc etc ... the shit was blown to kingdom come, bodies were vaporized ... my gawd, how truly ignorant you are

smokescreen - Channel: Seatnineb on LiveVideo.com

besides, you have much more vexing queries to address

 

[scrimmage]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

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Here's a list of115 items which were omitted/overlooked,or not fully investigated by the 9/11 Commission ,and make it's findings suspect as the final word on what actually happened before,during,and after the events of 9/11.
Below is from:
http://damien911.blogspot.com/2005/08/911-commission-lies.html

1. The omission of evidence that at least six of the alleged hijackers---including Waleed al-Shehri, said by the Commission probably to have stabbed a flight attendant on Flight 11 before it crashed into the North Tower of the WTC---are still alive (19-20).

2. The omission of evidence about Mohamed Atta---such as his reported fondness for alcohol, pork, and lap dances---that is in tension with the Commission's claim that he had become fanatically religious (20-21).

3. The obfuscation of the evidence that Hani Hanjour was too poor a pilot to have flown an airliner into the Pentagon (21-22).

4. The omission of the fact that the publicly released flight manifests contain no Arab names (23).

5. The omission of the fact that fire has never, before or after 9/11, caused steel-frame buildings to collapse (25).

6. The omission of the fact that the fires in the Twin Towers were not very big, very hot, or very long-lasting compared with fires in several steel-frame buildings that did not collapse (25-26).

7. The omission of the fact that, given the hypothesis that the collapses were caused by fire, the South Tower, which was struck later than the North Tower and also had smaller fires, should not have collapsed first (26).

8. The omission of the fact that WTC 7 (which was not hit by an airplane and which had only small, localized fires) also collapsed---an occurrence that FEMA admitted it could not explain (26).

9. The omission of the fact that the collapse of the Twin Towers (like that of Building 7) exemplified at least 10 features suggestive of controlled demolition (26-27).

10. The claim that the core of each of the Twin Towers was "a hollow steel shaft"---a claim that denied the existence of the 47 massive steel columns that in reality constituted the core of each tower and that, given the "pancake theory" of the collapses, should have still been sticking up many hundreds of feet in the air (27-28).

11. The omission of Larry Silverstein's statement that he and the fire department commander decided to "pull" Building 7 (28).

12. The omission of the fact that the steel from the WTC buildings was quickly removed from the crime scene and shipped overseas before it could be analyzed for evidence of explosives (30).

13. The omission of the fact that because Building 7 had been evacuated before it collapsed, the official reason for the rapid removal of the steel---that some people might still be alive in the rubble under the steel---made no sense in this case (30).

14. The omission of Mayor Giuliani's statement that he had received word that the World Trade Center was going to collapse (30-31).

15. The omission of the fact that President Bush's brother Marvin and his cousin Wirt Walker III were both principals in the company in charge of security for the WTC (31-32).

16. The omission of the fact that the west wing of the Pentagon would have been the least likely spot to be targeted by al-Qaeda terrorists, for several reasons (33-34).

17. The omission of any discussion of whether the damage done to the Pentagon was consistent with the impact of a Boeing 757 going several hundred miles per hour (34).

18. The omission of the fact that there are photos showing that the west wing's fa?ade did not collapse until 30 minutes after the strike and also that the entrance hole appears too small for a Boeing 757 to have entered (34).

19. The omission of all testimony that has been used to cast doubt on whether remains of a Boeing 757 were visible either inside or outside the Pentagon (34-36).

20. The omission of any discussion of whether the Pentagon has a anti-missile defense system that would have brought down a commercial airliner---even though the Commission suggested that the al-Qaeda terrorists did not attack a nuclear power plant because they assumed that it would be thus defended (36).

21. The omission of the fact that pictures from various security cameras---including the camera at the gas station across from the Pentagon, the film from which was reportedly confiscated by the FBI immediately after the strike---could presumably answer the question of what really hit the Pentagon (37-38).

22. The omission of Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld's reference to "the missile [used] to damage [the Pentagon]" (39).

23. The apparent endorsement of a wholly unsatisfactory answer to the question of why the Secret Service agents allowed President Bush to remain at the Sarasota school at a time when, given the official story, they should have assumed that a hijacked airliner might be about to crash into the school (41-44).

24. The failure to explore why the Secret Service did not summon fighter jets to provide air cover for Air Force One (43-46).

25. The claims that when the presidential party arrived at the school, no one in the party knew that several planes had been hijacked (47-48).

26. The omission of the report that Attorney General Ashcroft was warned to stop using commercial airlines prior to 9/11 (50).

27. The omission of David Schippers' claim that he had, on the basis of information provided by FBI agents about upcoming attacks in lower Manhattan, tried unsuccessfully to convey this information to Attorney General Ashcroft during the six weeks prior to 9/11 (51).

28. The omission of any mention of the FBI agents who reportedly claimed to have known the targets and dates of the attacks well in advance (51-52).

29. The claim, by means of a circular, question-begging rebuttal, that the unusual purchases of put options prior to 9/11 did not imply advance knowledge of the attacks on the part of the buyers (52-57).

30. The omission of reports that both Mayor Willie Brown and some Pentagon officials received warnings about flying on 9/11 (57).

31. The omission of the report that Osama bin Laden, who already was America's "most wanted" criminal, was treated in July 2001 by an American doctor in the American Hospital in Dubai and visited by the local CIA agent (59).

32. The omission of news stories suggesting that after 9/11 the US military in Afghanistan deliberately allowed Osama bin Laden to escape (60).

33. The omission of reports, including the report of a visit to Osama bin Laden at the hospital in Dubai by the head of Saudi intelligence, that were in tension with the official portrayal of Osama as disowned by his family and his country (60-61).

34. The omission of Gerald Posner's account of Abu Zubaydah's testimony, according to which three members of the Saudi royal family---all of whom later died mysteriously within an eight-day period---were funding al-Qaeda and had advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks (61-65).

35. The Commission's denial that it found any evidence of Saudi funding of al-Qaeda (65-68).

36. The Commission's denial in particular that it found any evidence that money from Prince Bandar's wife, Princess Haifa, went to al-Qaeda operatives (69-70).

37. The denial, by means of simply ignoring the distinction between private and commercial flights, that the private flight carrying Saudis from Tampa to Lexington on September 13 violated the rules for US airspace in effect at the time (71-76).

38. The denial that any Saudis were allowed to leave the United States shortly after 9/11 without being adequately investigated (76-82).

39. The omission of evidence that Prince Bandar obtained special permission from the White House for the Saudi flights (82-86).

40. The omission of Coleen Rowley's claim that some officials at FBI headquarters did see the memo from Phoenix agent Kenneth Williams (89-90).

41. The omission of Chicago FBI agent Robert Wright's charge that FBI headquarters closed his case on a terrorist cell, then used intimidation to prevent him from publishing a book reporting his experiences (91).

42. The omission of evidence that FBI headquarters sabotaged the attempt by Coleen Rowley and other Minneapolis agents to obtain a warrant to search Zacarias Moussaoui's computer (91-94).

43. The omission of the 3.5 hours of testimony to the Commission by former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds?-testimony that, according to her later public letter to Chairman Kean, revealed serious 9/11-related cover-ups by officials at FBI headquarters (94-101).

44. The omission of the fact that General Mahmoud Ahmad, the head of Pakistan's intelligence agency (the ISI), was in Washington the week prior to 9/11, meeting with CIA chief George Tenet and other US officials (103-04).

45. The omission of evidence that ISI chief Ahmad had ordered $100,000 to be sent to Mohamed Atta prior to 9/11 (104-07).

46. The Commission's claim that it found no evidence that any foreign government, including Pakistan, had provided funding for the al-Qaeda operatives (106).

47. The omission of the report that the Bush administration pressured Pakistan to dismiss Ahmad as ISI chief after the appearance of the story that he had ordered ISI money sent to Atta (107-09).

48. The omission of evidence that the ISI (and not merely al-Qaeda) was behind the assassination of Ahmad Shah Masood (the leader of Afghanistan's Northern Alliance), which occurred just after the week-long meeting between the heads of the CIA and the ISI (110-112).

49. The omission of evidence of ISI involvement in the kidnapping and murder of Wall Street Reporter Daniel Pearl (113).

50. The omission of Gerald Posner's report that Abu Zubaydah claimed that a Pakistani military officer, Mushaf Ali Mir, was closely connected to both the ISI and al-Qaeda and had advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks (114).

51. The omission of the 1999 prediction by ISI agent Rajaa Gulum Abbas that the Twin Towers would be "coming down" (114).

52. The omission of the fact that President Bush and other members of his administration repeatedly spoke of the 9/11 attacks as "opportunities" (116-17).

53. The omission of the fact that The Project for the New American Century, many members of which became key figures in the Bush administration, published a document in 2000 saying that "a new Pearl Harbor" would aid its goal of obtaining funding for a rapid technological transformation of the US military (117-18).

54. The omission of the fact that Donald Rumsfeld, who as head of the commission on the US Space Command had recommended increased funding for it, used the attacks of 9/11 on that very evening to secure such funding (119-22).

55. The failure to mention the fact that three of the men who presided over the failure to prevent the 9/11 attacks?-Secretary Rumsfeld, General Richard Myers, and General Ralph Eberhart---were also three of the strongest advocates for the US Space Command (122).

56. The omission of the fact that Unocal had declared that the Taliban could not provide adequate security for it to go ahead with its oil-and-gas pipeline from the Caspian region through Afghanistan and Pakistan (122-25).

57. The omission of the report that at a meeting in July 2001, US representatives said that because the Taliban refused to agree to a US proposal that would allow the pipeline project to go forward, a war against them would begin by October (125-26).

58. The omission of the fact that Zbigniew Brzezinski in his 1997 book had said that for the United States to maintain global primacy, it needed to gain control of Central Asia, with its vast petroleum reserves, and that a new Pearl Harbor would be helpful in getting the US public to support this imperial effort (127-28).

59. The omission of evidence that some key members of the Bush administration, including Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz, had been agitating for a war with Iraq for many years (129-33).

60. The omission of notes of Rumsfeld's conversations on 9/11 showing that he was determined to use the attacks as a pretext for a war with Iraq (131-32).

61. The omission of the statement by the Project for the New American Century that "the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein" (133-34).

62. The claim that FAA protocol on 9/11 required the time-consuming process of going through several steps in the chain of command--even though the Report cites evidence to the contrary (158).

63. The claim that in those days there were only two air force bases in NORAD's Northeast sector that kept fighters on alert and that, in particular, there were no fighters on alert at either McGuire or Andrews (159-162).

64. The omission of evidence that Andrews Air Force Base did keep several fighters on alert at all times (162-64).

65. The acceptance of the twofold claim that Colonel Marr of NEADS had to telephone a superior to get permission to have fighters scrambled from Otis and that this call required eight minutes (165-66).

66. The endorsement of the claim that the loss of an airplane's transponder signal makes it virtually impossible for the US military's radar to track that plane (166-67).

67. The claim that the Payne Stewart interception did not show NORAD's response time to Flight 11 to be extraordinarily slow (167-69).

68. The claim that the Otis fighters were not airborne until seven minutes after they received the scramble order because they did not know where to go (174-75).

69. The claim that the US military did not know about the hijacking of Flight 175 until 9:03, when it was crashing into the South Tower (181-82).

70. The omission of any explanation of (a) why NORAD's earlier report, according to which the FAA had notified the military about the hijacking of Flight 175 at 8:43, was now to be considered false and (b) how this report, if it was false, could have been published and then left uncorrected for almost three years (182).

71. The claim that the FAA did not set up a teleconference until 9:20 that morning (183).

72. The omission of the fact that a memo by Laura Brown of the FAA says that its teleconference was established at about 8:50 and that it included discussion of Flight 175's hijacking (183-84, 186).

73. The claim that the NMCC teleconference did not begin until 9:29 (186-88).

74. The omission, in the Commission's claim that Flight 77 did not deviate from its course until 8:54, of the fact that earlier reports had said 8:46 (189-90).

75. The failure to mention that the report that a large jet had crashed in Kentucky, at about the time Flight 77 disappeared from FAA radar, was taken seriously enough by the heads of the FAA and the FBI's counterterrorism unit to be relayed to the White House (190).

76. The claim that Flight 77 flew almost 40 minutes through American airspace towards Washington without being detected by the military's radar (191-92).

77. The failure to explain, if NORAD's earlier report that it was notified about Flight 77 at 9:24 was "incorrect," how this erroneous report could have arisen, i.e., whether NORAD officials had been lying or simply confused for almost three years (192-93).

78. The claim that the Langley fighter jets, which NORAD had previously said were scrambled to intercept Flight 77, were actually scrambled in response to an erroneous report from an (unidentified) FAA controller at 9:21 that Flight 11 was still up and was headed towards Washington (193-99).

79. The claim that the military did not hear from the FAA about the probable hijacking of Flight 77 before the Pentagon was struck (204-12).

80. The claim that Jane Garvey did not join Richard Clarke's videoconference until 9:40, after the Pentagon was struck (210).

81. The claim that none of the teleconferences succeeded in coordinating the FAA and military responses to the hijackings because "none of [them] included the right officials from both the FAA and the Defense Department"---although Richard Clarke says that his videoconference included FAA head Jane Garvey as well as Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and General Richard Myers, the acting chair of the joint chiefs of staff (211).

82. The Commission's claim that it did not know who from the Defense Department participated in Clarke's videoconference---although Clarke's book said that it was Donald Rumsfeld and General Myers (211-212).

83. The endorsement of General Myers' claim that he was on Capitol Hill during the attacks, without mentioning Richard Clarke's contradictory account, according to which Myers was in the Pentagon participating in Clarke's videoconference (213-17).

84. The failure to mention the contradiction between Clarke's account of Rumsfeld's whereabouts that morning and Rumsfeld's own accounts (217-19).

85. The omission of Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta's testimony, given to the Commission itself, that Vice-President Cheney and others in the underground shelter were aware by 9:26 that an aircraft was approaching the Pentagon (220).

86. The claim that Pentagon officials did not know about an aircraft approaching Pentagon until 9:32, 9:34, or 9:36---in any case, only a few minutes before the building was hit (223).

87. The endorsement of two contradictory stories about the aircraft that hit the Pentagon---one in which it executed a 330-degree downward spiral (a "high-speed dive") and another in which there is no mention of this maneuver (222-23).

88. The claim that the fighter jets from Langley, which were allegedly scrambled to protect Washington from "Phantom Flight 11," were nowhere near Washington because they were mistakenly sent out to sea (223-24).

89. The omission of all the evidence suggesting that the aircraft that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77 (224-25).

90. The claim that the military was not notified by the FAA about Flight 93's hijacking until after it crashed (227-29, 232, 253).

91. The twofold claim that the NMCC did not monitor the FAA-initiated conference and then was unable to get the FAA connected to the NMCC-initiated teleconference (230-31).

92. The omission of the fact that the Secret Service is able to know everything that the FAA knows (233).

93. The omission of any inquiry into why the NMCC initiated its own teleconference if, as Laura Brown of the FAA has said, this is not standard protocol (234).

94. The omission of any exploration of why General Montague Winfield not only had a rookie (Captain Leidig) take over his role as the NMCC's Director of Operations but also left him in charge after it was clear that the Pentagon was facing an unprecedented crisis (235-36).

95. The claim that the FAA (falsely) notified the Secret Service between 10:10 and 10:15 that Flight 93 was still up and headed towards Washington (237).

96. The claim that Vice President Cheney did not give the shoot-down authorization until after 10:10 (several minutes after Flight 93 had crashed) and that this authorization was not transmitted to the US military until 10:31 (237-41).

97. The omission of all the evidence indicating that Flight 93 was shot down by a military plane (238-39, 252-53).

98. The claim that Richard Clarke did not receive the requested shoot-down authorization until 10:25 (240).

99. The omission of Clarke's own testimony, which suggests that he received the shoot-down authorization by 9:50 (240).

100. The claim that Cheney did not reach the underground shelter (the PEOC [Presidential Emergency Operations Center]) until 9:58 (241-44).

101. The omission of multiple testimony, including that of Norman Mineta to the Commission itself, that Cheney was in the PEOC before 9:20 (241-44).

102. The claim that shoot-down authorization must be given by the president (245).

103. The omission of reports that Colonel Marr ordered a shoot-down of Flight 93 and that General Winfield indicated that he and others at the NMCC had expected a fighter jet to reach Flight 93 (252).

104. The omission of reports that there were two fighter jets in the air a few miles from NYC and three of them only 200 miles from Washington (251).

105. The omission of evidence that there were at least six bases with fighters on alert in the northeastern part of the United States (257-58).

106. The endorsement of General Myers' claim that NORAD had defined its mission in terms of defending only against threats from abroad (258-62).

107. The endorsement of General Myers' claim that NORAD had not recognized the possibility that terrorists might use hijacked airliners as missiles (262-63).

108. The failure to highlight the significance of evidence presented in the Report itself, and to mention other evidence, showing that NORAD had indeed recognized the threat that hijacked airliners might be used as missiles (264-67).

109. The failure to probe the issue of how the "war games" scheduled for that day were related to the military's failure to intercept the hijacked airliners (268-69).

110. The failure to discuss the possible relevance of Operation Northwoods to the attacks of 9/11 (269-71).

111. The claim---made in explaining why the military did not get information about the hijackings in time to intercept them---that FAA personnel inexplicably failed to follow standard procedures some 16 times (155-56, 157, 179, 180, 181, 190, 191, 193, 194, 200, 202-03, 227, 237, 272-75).

112. The failure to point out that the Commission's claimed "independence" was fatally compromised by the fact that its executive director, Philip Zelikow, was virtually a member of the Bush administration (7-9, 11-12, 282-84).

113. The failure to point out that the White House first sought to prevent the creation of a 9/11 Commission, then placed many obstacles in its path, including giving it extremely meager funding (283-85).

114. The failure to point out that the Commission's chairman, most of the other commissioners, and at least half of the staff had serious conflicts of interest (285-90, 292-95).

115. The failure of the Commission, while bragging that it presented its final report "without dissent," to point out that this was probably possible only because Max Cleland, the commissioner who was most critical of the White House and swore that he would not be part of "looking at information only partially," had to resign in order to accept a position with the Export-Import Bank, and that the White House forwarded his nomination for this position only after he was becoming quite outspoken in his criticisms (290-291).

I will close by pointing out that I concluded my study of what I came to call "the Kean-Zelikow Report" by writing that it, "far from lessening my suspicions about official complicity, has served to confirm them. Why would the minds in charge of this final report engage in such deception if they were not trying to cover up very high crimes?" (291)

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404

 

[DimeDR]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

wait, thats 115 FACTS, too much for sheep to digest, let alone all the FACTS i pointed out .... thanks, scrimmage ....

heres something on zelikow, the puppetmaster behind the kean commission

YouTube - ZELIKOW (part one / snowshoefilms series)

maxi, does your a priori knowledge supercede the facts in this film?


his thesis in college was "cretaing public myths" now as snl church lady used to say, "isnt that convenient"

 

[mr merlin]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

The table describes adiabatic flame temperatures,where there's no loss of heat[as in a lab],but none the less a match has a very high temperature,albeit for a short time,which was the point of bringing up the chart.
There's 3 different temperatures listed for cigarettes under 3 different conditions, "ventilated,unventilated, insulated and smoldering".
As for how wood could flame so hot?Here's an answer...

Excerpt below from:
http://www.doctorfire.com/flametmp.html

<table align="center" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="90%"><tbody><tr><td class="pagesubtitles" align="center">Adiabatic flame temperature


</td></tr><tr><td class="mainjust">When one consults combustion textbooks for the topic of 'flame temperature,' what one normally finds are tabulations of the adiabatic flame temperature.

'Adiabatic' means without losing heat. Thus, these temperatures would be achieved in a (fictional) combustion system where there were no losses.

Even though real-world combustion systems are not adiabatic, the reason why such tabulations are convenient is because these temperatures can be computed from fundamental thermochemical considerations: a fire experiment is not necessary.

For methane burning in air, the adiabatic flame temperature is 1949?C, while for propane it is 1977?C, for example. The value for wood is nearly identical to that for propane. The adiabatic flame temperatures for most common organic substances burned in air are, in fact, nearly indistinguishable. These temperatures are vastly higher than what any thermocouple inserted into a building fire will register!

</td></tr></tbody></table>

Wonderful, therefore I will start a wood fire and hold metal rods over them and watch them melt huh? Cookoo. Cookoo.
I guess I dont understand why you losers continue with this nonsense, i mean everybody saw planes fly into the bldgs at hundreds of miles an hour, They exploded, burned and eventually collapsed - and this is hard to comprehend?
I loved the comment about Mohammed Atta being very religious(so therefore he wouldnt drink, smoke or womanize, etc), perhaps the dumbest comment ever, yea, no such thing as a religious hypocrite. Obvious evidence of a conspiracy.

 

[DimeDR]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

umm merle, how does structural steel take on the physical characteristics of air?

the towers collapsed in a combined total of 20 seconds

 

[DimeDR]

other wtc facts

other wtc facts

Adding to the problems of the official theory is the fact that photos of the North Tower hole show no evidence of a plane either. There is no recognizable wreckage or plane parts at the immediate crash site. While the issue probably takes us too far afield, the landing wheel assembly that allegedly flew out of the North Tower and was found several streets away could easily have been planted by FEMA or other government agents. I?ve never seen any objective analysis of this wheel assembly though it would be welcome. In fact, the government has failed to produce significant wreckage from any of the four alleged airliners that fateful day. The familiar photo of the Flight 93 crash site in Pennsylvania (The 9/11 Commission Report, Ch. 9) shows no fuselage, engine or anything recognizable as a plane, just a smoking hole in the ground. Photographers reportedly were not allowed near the hole. Neither the FBI nor the National Transportation Safety Board have investigated or produced any report on the alleged airliner crashes.


?Photos show people walking around in the hole in the North Tower "where 10,000 gallons of jet fuel were supposedly burning. The women (p. 27) seem to (sic) looking down to the ground" (the NIST "Response" pdf, p. 62, also shows a similar photo of the same blond woman with light-colored slacks looking over the edge of the 94th floor).
?By the time the South Tower was hit, most of the North Tower?s flames had already vanished, burning for only 16 minutes.
?The fire did not grow over time, probably because it quickly ran out of fuel and was suffocating rather than the sprinkler system dousing the fires.
?FDNY fire fighters remain under a gag order (Rodriguezvs-1.Bush.pdf, p. 10) to not discuss the explosions they heard, felt and saw. FAA personnel are also under a 9/11 gag order.
?Even the 9/11 Commission (Kean-Zelikow) Report acknowledges that "none of the [fire] chiefs present believed that a total collapse of either tower was possible" (Ch. 9, p. 302). It shocked everyone that day, amateur and professional alike, although some firefighters realized that so-called secondary explosive devices were a risk.


Professional demolition, by contrast, can explain all of these facts and more. Demolition means placing explosives throughout a building, and detonating them in sequence to weaken "the structure so it collapses or folds in upon itself" (p. 44). In conventional demolitions gravity does most of the work, although it probably did a minority on 9/11, so heavily were the towers honeycombed with explosives.
1. Each WTC building collapse occurred at virtually free-fall speed (approximately 10 seconds or less).
2. Each building collapsed, for the most part, into its own footprint.
3. Virtually all the concrete (an estimated 100,000 tons in each tower) on every floor was pulverized into a very fine dust, a phenomenon that requires enormous energy and could not be caused by gravity alone ("?workers can?t even find concrete. ?It?s all dust,? [the official] said").
4. Dust exploded horizontally for a couple hundred feet, as did debris, at the beginning of each tower?s collapse.
5. Collapses were total, leaving none of the massive core columns sticking up hundreds of feet into the air.
6. Salvage experts were amazed at how small the debris stacks were.
7. The steel beams and columns came down in sections under 30 feet long and had no signs of "softening"; there was little left but shorn sections of steel and a few bits of concrete.
8. Photos and videos of the collapses all show "demolition waves," meaning "confluent rows of small explosions" along floors (blast sequences).
9. According to many witnesses, explosions occurred within the buildings.
10. Each collapse had detectable seismic vibrations suggestive of underground explosions, similar to the 2.3 earthquake magnitude from a demolition like the Seattle Kingdome (p. 108).
11. Each collapse produced molten steel identical to that generated by explosives, resulting in "hot spots" that persisted for months (the two hottest spots at WTC-2 and WTC-7 were approximately 1,350o F five days after being continuously flooded with water, a temperature high enough to melt aluminum (p. 70).

 

[DimeDR]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

YouTube - ZELIKOW'S PARALLEL UNIVERSE (snowshoefilms series /pt 2)

 

[MAXIM]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

wait, thats 115 FACTS, too much for sheep to digest, let alone all the FACTS i pointed out .... thanks, scrimmage ....

heres something on zelikow, the puppetmaster behind the kean commission

YouTube - ZELIKOW (part one / snowshoefilms series)

maxi, does your a priori knowledge supercede the facts in this film?


his thesis in college was "cretaing public myths" now as snl church lady used to say, "isnt that convenient"

Your infantile attempts to squeak out of your childish corner have been
made crystal clear once again. You're pure ignorance is the only fact here.

You and another 'conspiracy flea' try to spew this bullshit out as facts? :LMAO
Again, your childish lack of intelligence shows you don't know what a fact is.
Stop embarrassing yourself by patting yourself on the back for posting more
false information & then attempting to credit yourself with posting facts.
Speaking of puppetmaster, of all your puppetmasters which one is your fav?
You're showing us again that your #1 objective here is to gain some attention.
We know how lonely it must be for you living in your boring fantasy land.
You figured if you just keep spitting out more bullshit you might get a bite.
Now you're so excited to have another butt buddy [scrim] join you in lunacy.
:LMAO
You're doing a fine job of enforcing the FACT that you're a psychotic lunatic.

In case you haven't noticed, my only reason for continuing to post in
here is to ensure that i'm fulfilled daily with my need for laughter. :LMAO

 

[MAXIM]

Re: other wtc facts

Re: other wtc facts

Professional demolition, by contrast, can explain all of these facts and more. Demolition means placing explosives throughout a building, and detonating them in sequence to weaken "the structure so it collapses or folds in upon itself".
2. Each building collapsed, for the most part, into its own footprint.
5. Collapses were total, leaving none of the massive core columns sticking up hundreds of feet into the air.
7. The steel beams and columns came down in sections under 30 feet long and had no signs of "softening"; there was little left but shorn sections of steel and a few bits of concrete.

Here you go again, slapping yourself in the face with more of your own ignorance.
You posted this nonsense i didn't, just once use your fucking brain, try not to hurt yourself.
Your very own puppetmasters are talking here about it being a "Professional demolition".
"Professional demolition" / weakens "the structure so it collapses or folds in upon itself".
Also known as (implosion), remember that word genius? You continue to fuck yourself.
Yet you insist with your usual retarded talk that columns were blown out over 500' feet away.
You and your fellow lunatics can't have it both ways, pick just one fantasy or the other, not both.

You provide comedy on saturdays too ???
:+textinb3 ::LMAO:: :LMAO :+textinb3 ::LMAO:: :LMAO :+textinb3 ::LMAO:: :LMAO :+textinb3

 

[scrimmage]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Wonderful, therefore I will start a wood fire and hold metal rods over them and watch them melt huh? Cookoo. Cookoo.
I guess I dont understand why you losers continue with this nonsense, i mean everybody saw planes fly into the bldgs at hundreds of miles an hour, They exploded, burned and eventually collapsed - and this is hard to comprehend?
I loved the comment about Mohammed Atta being very religious(so therefore he wouldnt drink, smoke or womanize, etc), perhaps the dumbest comment ever, yea, no such thing as a religious hypocrite. Obvious evidence of a conspiracy.

merlin,
If you're into name calling spell it right as in "cuckoo".
Wood fire:
It depends on the conditions under which the wood is burned if it's burned in a forge under enclosed conditions with air blasts introduced,then yes metal could be shaped,or even melt depending on the type.
Charcoal is just wood as described below;
Source:
http://www.beautifuliron.com/smithforge.htm

What fuels are used for the fire?
Charcoal was the original forge fuel. A beginner will immediately ask the question here "can I use bar-b-que charcoal?" The answer is no, not bar-b-que charcoal. Charcoal is made from plant material (usually wood and/or straw and clay or some other filler material) that has been heated to drive off volatile matter with almost pure carbon left behind. By a process of distillation in which wood is heated hot enough to burn, but starved of oxygen, most of the compounds in the wood are driven off in the form of vapors or smoke leaving carbon behind. Before the industrial era this was accomplished by stacking logs in a pile and burying with dirt.

A small fire was built at the bottom of one end and a hole opened in the top of the mound to vent the vapors or smoke. The air supply was restricted to allow the fire to burn hot enough to literally char the wood into 'coal', but at the same time starving the wood pile inside the mound from getting enough oxygen to burn completely. The idea was to put out the fire after the wood was converted to charcoal. After the burn most of the wood was recovered in the form of charcoal with only minor losses due to some wood being closest to the fire. Visitors to this website will need to search elsewhere for instructions on making charcoal.




Sure planes flew into buildings,but what set that process in motion,a mastermind in a cave,or a neo-con driven agenda to set in motion the PNAC[Project for a New American Century].
Steel framed buildings don't drop in 10 seconds,without extra energy to assist the fall.
Watch videos of the planes hitting the buildings from a side view,the towers don't budge,it's as if the planes hit the side of a mountain,that's how solidly they were built,and while the jet fuel was hot for a while it gradually cooled off as heat was dispersed,as is evidenced by all the dark smoke.

 

[MAXIM]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Steel framed buildings don't drop in 10 seconds,without extra energy to assist the fall.

There was plenty of assisstance in the fall, a 12 year old can figure that out.
When the floors above the crash weakened, the weight from those floors
above came crashing down with a force that possibly can't be calculated.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
On the morning of September 11 two hijacked Boeing 767 commercial jetliners flew into the towers. The airplanes were almost fully fueled, and the intense heat generated by the burning fuel melted the buildings? steel supporting beams. The south tower stood for about 1 hour after the crash; the north tower for approximately 1 hour and 45 minutes. They then collapsed, floor upon floor, the added weight of each concrete floor causing floors beneath to collapse.

(1) Structure:
The airplane crashed into the middle stairway, bringing
catastrophic damage directly to the periphery and core steel
columns. Fire-proof shields pealed off from the columns and
floor trusses around the floor on which the airplane crashed
and the columns on several floors buckled due to the rapid
loss of axial resistance by the heat,. The buckling of the
columns could have been caused by reduction in column
resistance and out-of-plane deformation of columns due to
elongation of slabs by heating, and enlarged buckling length of the columns due to breakage in the bolts connecting the floors and the columns. The impact by the weight of collapsed upper floors on the lower floors destroyed the lower floor structures. After that, collapsing floors and buckling columns occur continuously, and resulted to the destruction of the whole building.

Do either one of you guys have ANY common sense at all ???​

 

[scrimmage]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Wonderful, therefore I will start a wood fire and hold metal rods over them and watch them melt huh? Cookoo. Cookoo.
I guess I dont understand why you losers continue with this nonsense, i mean everybody saw planes fly into the bldgs at hundreds of miles an hour, They exploded, burned and eventually collapsed - and this is hard to comprehend?
I loved the comment about Mohammed Atta being very religious(so therefore he wouldnt drink, smoke or womanize, etc), perhaps the dumbest comment ever, yea, no such thing as a religious hypocrite. Obvious evidence of a conspiracy.

merlin,
Mohammed Atta[as well as the other hijackers] being "fanatically religious" was one of the main reasons offered for them being willing to fly a suicide mission in the first place,if there's evidence that wasn't so it calls into question the 9/11 Commission's credibility,and the official myth starts to unravel piece by piece...
114 other items on the list[in post #163],care to comment on any of those?;anyone else care to...There's plenty to talk about.

2. The omission of evidence about Mohamed Atta---such as his reported fondness for alcohol, pork, and lap dances---that is in tension with the Commission's claim that he had become fanatically religious (20-21).

 

[roscoe]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Molten metal?

Just before 9:52 a.m., a bright spot appeared at the top of a window on the 80th floor of WTC 2, four windows removed from the east edge on the north face, followed by the flow of a glowing liquid. This flow lasted approximately four seconds before subsiding. Many such liquid flows were observed from near this location in the seven minutes leading up to the collapse of this tower. There is no evidence of similar molten liquid pouring out from another location in WTC 2 or from anywhere within WTC 1.
Photographs, and NIST simulations of the aircraft impact, show large piles of debris in the 80th and 81st floors of WTC 2 near the site where the glowing liquid eventually appeared. Much of this debris came from the aircraft itself and from the office furnishings that the aircraft pushed forward as it tunneled to this far end of the building. Large fires developed on these piles shortly after the aircraft impact and continued to burn in the area until the tower collapsed.
NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.
Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-8>[10]</SUP>
References

1. <LI id=_note-glanz>↑ <SUP>1.0</SUP> <SUP>1.1</SUP> <SUP>1.2</SUP> Glanz, James, Towers Believed to Be Safe Proved Vulnerable to an Intense Jet Fuel Fire, Experts Say. The New York Times. September 12, 2001 <LI id=_note-0>↑ http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/466.pdf <LI id=_note-1>↑ Dwyer, Jim (September 2, 2006) "U.S. Counters 9/11 Theories Of Conspiracy", The New York Times <LI id=_note-2>↑ Congressional Testimony of Dr. W. Gene Corley. American Society of Civil Engineers (March 6, 2002). <LI id=_note-3>↑ Astaneh-Asl, Abdolhassan (2003). World Trade Center Collapse, Field Investigations and Analyses. Proceedings of the 9th Arab Structural Engineering Conference. <LI id=_note-4>↑ Glanz, James and Kenneth Chang. "Engineers Seek to Test Steel Before It Is Melted for Reuse", The New York Times, September 29, 2001. <LI id=_note-5>↑ Ruggiero, Brenda. "Wrecking Corp. Razes Washington Convention Center", Construction Equipment Guide, February 24, 2005. <LI id=_note-6>↑ Daneman, Matthew. "Kodak buildings set to be razed, Months of preparation to pay off this weekend", Rochester Democrat & Chronicle, June 26, 2007. <LI id=_note-7>↑ "Hell On Earth;In New York City, those who escaped the carnage ran a horrifying gauntlet", People, September 24, 2001.
2. ↑ http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

 

[MAXIM]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Mohammed Atta[as well as the other hijackers] being "fanatically religious" was one of the main reasons offered for them being willing to fly a suicide mission in the first place

You're proving yourself to be just as big a ding dong as 'Dime a Dozen' is.
Who gives a fuck what Atta ate or drank, it's just more conspiracy freak ridiculousness.
You provide comedy on saturdays too ???

 

[diggin'4gold]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

You're proving yourself to be just as big a ding dong as 'Dime a Dozen' is.
Who gives a fuck what Atta ate or drank, it's just more conspiracy freak ridiculousness.
You provide comedy on saturdays too ???

(1) They attack/marginalize the messengers. (2) They do no real research. (3) They blindly ask 'Where are the 'Primary Sources'?' (4) They projected their own subjective interpretation of a piece of information by using 'semantic manipulation'

 

[MAXIM]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Quote:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by DimeDR
wait, thats 115 FACTS, too much for sheep to digest, let alone all the FACTS i pointed out .... thanks, scrimmage ....

heres something on zelikow, the puppetmaster behind the kean commission

YouTube - ZELIKOW (part one / snowshoefilms series)

maxi, does your a priori knowledge supercede the facts in this film?


his thesis in college was "cretaing public myths" now as snl church lady used to say, "isnt that convenient"
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Your infantile attempts to squeak out of your childish corner have been
made crystal clear once again. You're pure ignorance is the only fact here.

You and another 'conspiracy flea' try to spew this bullshit out as facts? :LMAO
Again, your childish lack of intelligence shows you don't know what a fact is.
Stop embarrassing yourself by patting yourself on the back for posting more
false information & then attempting to credit yourself with posting facts.
Speaking of puppetmaster, of all your puppetmasters which one is your fav?
You're showing us again that your #1 objective here is to gain some attention.
We know how lonely it must be for you living in your boring fantasy land.
You figured if you just keep spitting out more bullshit you might get a bite.
Now you're so excited to have another butt buddy [scrim] join you in lunacy.
:LMAO
You're doing a fine job of enforcing the FACT that you're a psychotic lunatic.

In case you haven't noticed, my only reason for continuing to post in
here is to ensure that i'm fulfilled daily with my need for laughter. :LMAO
<HR>
Quote:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by DimeDR
Professional demolition, by contrast, can explain all of these facts and more. Demolition means placing explosives throughout a building, and detonating them in sequence to weaken "the structure so it collapses or folds in upon itself".
2. Each building collapsed, for the most part, into its own footprint.
5. Collapses were total, leaving none of the massive core columns sticking up hundreds of feet into the air.
7. The steel beams and columns came down in sections under 30 feet long and had no signs of "softening"; there was little left but shorn sections of steel and a few bits of concrete.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Here you go again, slapping yourself in the face with more of your own ignorance.
You posted this nonsense i didn't, just once use your fucking brain, try not to hurt yourself.
Your very own puppetmasters are talking here about it being a "Professional demolition".
"Professional demolition" / weakens "the structure so it collapses or folds in upon itself".
Also known as (implosion), remember that word genius? You continue to fuck yourself.
Yet you insist with your usual retarded talk that columns were blown out over 500' feet away.
You and your fellow lunatics can't have it both ways, pick just one fantasy or the other, not both.

You provide comedy on saturdays too ???
:+textinb3 ::LMAO:: :LMAO :+textinb3 ::LMAO:: :LMAO :+textinb3 ::LMAO:: :LMAO :+textinb3

 

[diggin'4gold]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;">Originally Posted by DimeDR
wait, thats 115 FACTS, too much for sheep to digest, let alone all the FACTS i pointed out .... thanks, scrimmage ....

heres something on zelikow, the puppetmaster behind the kean commission

YouTube - ZELIKOW (part one / snowshoefilms series)

maxi, does your a priori knowledge supercede the facts in this film?


his thesis in college was "cretaing public myths" now as snl church lady used to say, "isnt that convenient"
</td></tr></tbody></table>
Your infantile attempts to squeak out of your childish corner have been
made crystal clear once again. You're pure ignorance is the only fact here.

You and another 'conspiracy flea' try to spew this bullshit out as facts? :LMAO
Again, your childish lack of intelligence shows you don't know what a fact is.
Stop embarrassing yourself by patting yourself on the back for posting more
false information & then attempting to credit yourself with posting facts.
Speaking of puppetmaster, of all your puppetmasters which one is your fav?
You're showing us again that your #1 objective here is to gain some attention.
We know how lonely it must be for you living in your boring fantasy land.
You figured if you just keep spitting out more bullshit you might get a bite.
Now you're so excited to have another butt buddy [scrim] join you in lunacy.
:LMAO
You're doing a fine job of enforcing the FACT that you're a psychotic lunatic.

In case you haven't noticed, my only reason for continuing to post in
here is to ensure that i'm fulfilled daily with my need for laughter. :LMAO
<hr>
Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;">Originally Posted by DimeDR
Professional demolition, by contrast, can explain all of these facts and more. Demolition means placing explosives throughout a building, and detonating them in sequence to weaken "the structure so it collapses or folds in upon itself".
2. Each building collapsed, for the most part, into its own footprint.
5. Collapses were total, leaving none of the massive core columns sticking up hundreds of feet into the air.
7. The steel beams and columns came down in sections under 30 feet long and had no signs of "softening"; there was little left but shorn sections of steel and a few bits of concrete.
</td></tr></tbody></table>
Here you go again, slapping yourself in the face with more of your own ignorance.
You posted this nonsense i didn't, just once use your fucking brain, try not to hurt yourself.
Your very own puppetmasters are talking here about it being a "Professional demolition".
"Professional demolition" / weakens "the structure so it collapses or folds in upon itself".
Also known as (implosion), remember that word genius? You continue to fuck yourself.
Yet you insist with your usual retarded talk that columns were blown out over 500' feet away.
You and your fellow lunatics can't have it both ways, pick just one fantasy or the other, not both.

You provide comedy on saturdays too ???
:+textinb3 ::LMAO:: :LMAO :+textinb3 ::LMAO:: :LMAO :+textinb3 ::LMAO:: :LMAO :+textinb3

(1) They attack/marginalize the messengers. (2) They do no real research. (3) They blindly ask 'Where are the 'Primary Sources'?' (4) They projected their own subjective interpretation of a piece of information by using 'semantic manipulation'

 

[MAXIM]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

(1) They attack/marginalize the messengers. (2) They do no real research. (3) They blindly ask 'Where are the 'Primary Sources'?' (4) They projected their own subjective interpretation of a piece of information by using 'semantic manipulation'

That does pretty much sum up all the 'conspiracy theorists' doesn't it?

 

[mr merlin]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

merlin,
Mohammed Atta[as well as the other hijackers] being "fanatically religious" was one of the main reasons offered for them being willing to fly a suicide mission in the first place,if there's evidence that wasn't so it calls into question the 9/11 Commission's credibility,and the official myth starts to unravel piece by piece...
114 other items on the list[in post #163],care to comment on any of those?;anyone else care to...There's plenty to talk about.

2. The omission of evidence about Mohamed Atta---such as his reported fondness for alcohol, pork, and lap dances---that is in tension with the Commission's claim that he had become fanatically religious (20-21).

Actually, it wasn't just Atta, several of the hijackers were reported to have gone to strip clubs and drank in their final days, just as in iraq many of the insurgents that went up against our forces in fallujia and elsewhere were high on drugs. Hardly evidence that they are not religious fanatics. As far as the rest of your list, i stopped reading after the first 6 or so.

 

[diggin'4gold]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

That does pretty much sum up all the 'conspiracy theorists' doesn't it?

THE ONLY PERSONAL ATTACKS I HAVE SEEN ARE POSTED BY MAXIM AND HARVEY.

 

[MAXIM]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

THE ONLY PERSONAL ATTACKS I HAVE SEEN ARE POSTED BY MAXIM AND HARVEY.

That's only because you can't read!

 

[diggin'4gold]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

That's only because you can't read!

(1) They attack/marginalize the messengers. (2) They do no real research. (3) They blindly ask 'Where are the 'Primary Sources'?' (4) They projected their own subjective interpretation of a piece of information by using 'semantic manipulation'

 

[MAXIM]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

What grade are you in? ::LMAO::

 

[diggin'4gold]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

What grade are you in? ::LMAO::

(1) They attack/marginalize the messengers. (2) They do no real research. (3) They blindly ask 'Where are the 'Primary Sources'?' (4) They projected their own subjective interpretation of a piece of information by using 'semantic manipulation'

 

[mr merlin]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

What grade are you in? ::LMAO::

Someone posted a web piece about diggen, apparently she's a young women with no friends who pours her heart out on the internet - pretty sad !

 

[diggin'4gold]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Someone posted a web piece about diggen, apparently she's a young women with no friends who pours her heart out on the internet - pretty sad !

(1) They attack/marginalize the messengers. (2) They do no real research. (3) They blindly ask 'Where are the 'Primary Sources'?' (4) They projected their own subjective interpretation of a piece of information by using 'semantic manipulation'

 

[mr merlin]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

(1) They attack/marginalize the messengers. (2) They do no real research. (3) They blindly ask 'Where are the 'Primary Sources'?' (4) They projected their own subjective interpretation of a piece of information by using 'semantic manipulation'

Why do you keep posting the same thing? Are you having a mini-stroke or something?

 

[diggin'4gold]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Why do you keep posting the same thing? Are you having a mini-stroke or something?

(1) They attack/marginalize the messengers. (2) They do no real research. (3) They blindly ask 'Where are the 'Primary Sources'?' (4) They projected their own subjective interpretation of a piece of information by using 'semantic manipulation'

 

[DimeDR]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

love it, diggin, give him dose of own medicine and he just reverts to clinical polymorphous perverse ... scrimmage gave maxi 115 reasons and zelikow was exposed for being in league with condi, he wont even touch lloyd england, his great pentagon witness ....

what really cracks me up is he says he hates bush etc, but cant get his infantilized brain wrapped around the obvious facts of 9/11 that have been spoon fed to him ... and his anger issues and childish, multi-postings are now legendary here ....

i thought we werent supposed to curse anyone, not that i care bc when he does me he reveals he loses each argument ... he brings nothing, i mean zilch to table and is now obsessed with the choice of his own vernacular semantics, implosion and explosion--well, if he knew the diff between the wtcs 7 demolition and wtc 1 and 2s it would hit him between his closed eyes and hed slink home, but alas poor yorick, a more tragic character by the bard i have never seen ... still my spider senses tell me he is a MJer posing here ...

there is really nothing else to say to this frothing joker, he has been proven to be a pawn, a sheeple and thats all good, but when an arrested mind cant look into cold hard facts such as the 115 scrimmage laid out in front of his nose, the puerile lad needs to be pitied

 

[DimeDR]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

merle, you have the gall to attack diggin yet you chose that icon LMAO


AND of course you stopped reading after 6 or so on scrimmage's list bc you were down 0-6 and reeling ... merle, maybe you can view your reliable witness lloyd england at the pentagon, bc your scared comrade is shaking in his rabbit hole and wont come out

 

[DimeDR]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

Sunday, May 21 2006
​

Zogby Poll Finds Over 70 Million Voting Age Americans Support New 9/11 Investigation

The Evidence for Official Complicity: A Summary

1. Evidence that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were already planned for geopolitical reasons, so that 9/11 provided not the reason for the wars but merely the pretext.
2. Evidence that men with connections to al-Qaeda were allowed into the United States in spite of regulations that should have kept them out
3. Evidence that men with connections to al-Qaeda were allowed to train in US flight schools.
4. Evidence that the attacks of 9/11 could not have succeeded without an order from the highest level of government to suspend normal operating procedures for responding to hijackings.
5. Evidence that US political and military leaders made misleading and even false statements about their response to the hijackings.
6. Evidence in particular that the presently accepted official account, according to which jet fighter planes were scrambled but arrived too late, was invented some days after 9/11.
7. Evidence that the collapse of the WTC buddings was brought about by explosives, so that participation by the US government in the prevention of an adequate examination of the debris, especially the steel, constitutes evidence of its participation in a cover-up.
8. Evidence that someone in authority sought to ensure that there would be deaths in the attacks on the second WTC tower and the Pentagon by not having these buildings evacuated.
9. Evidence that what hit the Pentagon was not a Boeing 757 but a much smaller aircraft, such as a guided missile.
10. Evidence that Flight 93 was shot down after authorities learned that the passengers were gaining control of it.
11. Evidence that Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld revealed advance knowledge of two of the attacks.
12. Evidence that President Bush on 9/11 feigned ignorance of the occurrence and seriousness of the attacks.
13. Evidence that President Bush and his Secret Service knew on 9/11 that he would not be a target of attacks.
14. Evidence that the FBI had specific knowledge of the time and targets of the attacks at least a month in advance.
15. Evidence that the CIA and other intelligence agencies would have had very specific advance knowledge of the attacks by means of the put options purchased shortly before 9/11.
16. Evidence that the Bush administration lied about not having had specific warnings about the attacks.
17. Evidence that the FBI and other federal agencies prevented investigations prior to 9/11 that might have uncovered the plot.
18. Evidence that US officials sought to conceal evidence of involvement by Pakistan's ISI in the planning of 9/11.
19. Evidence that US officials sought to conceal the presence of the ISI chief in Washington during the week of 9/11.
20. Evidence that the FBI and other federal agencies blocked investigations after the attacks that might have revealed the true Perpetrators.
21. Evidence that the United States did not really seek to kill or capture Osama bin Laden either before or after the attacks.
22. Evidence that figures central to the Bush administration had desired a "new Pearl Harbor" because of various benefits it would bring.
23. Evidence of motive provided by the predictable benefits that this event, called by Bush himself "the Pearl Harbor of the 21st century," did bestow on the Bush administration.
24. Evidence against the alternative explanationthe incompetence theoryprovided by the fact that those who were allegedly guilty of incompetence were not fired but, in some cases, promoted.​

 

[DimeDR]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

At Final Count 83% Support Sheen on 9/11

 

[diggin'4gold]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

IT SICKENS ME TO COME TO THIS POLITICAL FORUM AND SEE NUMEROUS PERSONAL ATTACKS, PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE THE RECOURSE OF PERSONS WITH LITTLE OR NO DEBATING SKILLS, OR THOSE THAT LACK FACTS TO SUPPORT THEIR CLAIMS, PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE UNCALLED FOR AND MOST LIKELY DRIVE AWAY GOOD DEBATE THUS LIMITING THE TRAFFIC IN THIS FORUM.

UNFORTUNATELY UNTIL THOSE WHO ARE IN CONTROL BAN PERSONAL ATTACKS IN THE POLITICAL FORUM IT WILL REMAIN A CONSTANT MEANS REBUTTAL FOR THOSE WITHOUT TRUE DEBATING SKILLS.

 

[DimeDR]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

danke, diggin, just like MJs, its obvious who always draws firstblood, i would love to truly debate with any of these people but they always hurl the first stone and when i give it back it drives them nuts and accuse me of calling THEM names

 

[diggin'4gold]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

danke, diggin, just like MJs, its obvious who always draws firstblood, i would love to truly debate with any of these people but they always hurl the first stone and when i give it back it drives them nuts and accuse me of calling THEM names

BITTA

 

[MAXIM]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

THE FACTS -

The nonsense that gets spewed in here by you ignorant followers is
(NOT DEBATABLE), that's why there can not be a sensible debate.
It's far to childish and ridiculous to even deserve any kind of response at all.
BUT I DO ENJOY THE COMEDY! :LMAO ::LMAO::
'Dime a Dozen' clearly tries so hard to convince himself that he's not a lunatic.
That's all part of the brainwashing where he's already gotten his only schooling.
[the internet / taught by an army of brain dead conspiracy theorists]
There is only one reason why he keeps asking others to explain shit to him.
'DUH', it's because he doesn't have a clue and is still searching for the truth.
He's gotten so used to playing 'connect the dots' that he forgot all about reality.
He certainly doesn't have any knowledge of the truth, he only has guesses/dreams.
'Dime a Dozen', is positively the most gullible fruitloop i've ever seen on the internet.
Has anyone else actually tried to read any of his posts'? It's like playing scrabble.

It's been made very clear that you're upset about being exposed as just a lunatic.
That's all i can say is, that's what happens when you can't provide 1 stitch of proof.

I'll leave you kids alone now to fantasize about all of your conspiracies coming true.

~ ENJOY YOUR WACKY WORLD OF QWACKS ~

I'll leave you with some guidance
#1 [help link]
#2 [help link]
#3 [help link] this may be the best for you :LMAO

 

[DimeDR]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

ummm, lloyd england and the matching DNA??? ... you have ducked everything and try to discredit me 100/1 to discussing any facts ... why do you bother if all you want to do is force your disproven thoughts... we will gladly discuss these things.

milwaukee mike is right, you are a paid shill--no one could be so blind to events that are so obvious ... do you know who william rodriguez is? what do you think of him?

 

[MAXIM]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

IT SICKENS ME TO COME TO THIS POLITICAL FORUM AND SEE NUMEROUS PERSONAL ATTACKS, PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE THE RECOURSE OF PERSONS WITH LITTLE OR NO DEBATING SKILLS, OR THOSE THAT LACK FACTS TO SUPPORT THEIR CLAIMS, PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE UNCALLED FOR AND MOST LIKELY DRIVE AWAY GOOD DEBATE THUS LIMITING THE TRAFFIC IN THIS FORUM.

UNFORTUNATELY UNTIL THOSE WHO ARE IN CONTROL BAN PERSONAL ATTACKS IN THE POLITICAL FORUM IT WILL REMAIN A CONSTANT MEANS REBUTTAL FOR THOSE WITHOUT TRUE DEBATING SKILLS.

In this particular case there is nothing here to debate, it's all based on
nonsense to begin with. You might find a child to argue it out with you.
A child would probably make more sense of it than 'Dime a Dozen' does.

 

[DimeDR]

Re: flight 77 black box first one ever without a serial number

so with your a priori knowledge and the fact that you refuse to research, why do you bother to come in here if you are not being paid?

you refuse to discuss facts, thats what this site is about, im puzzled by your motivation, please illuminate us