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texansfan

EOG Master
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

Why would anybody take what JJ says, or hell, what anybody says on a forum seriously? I'd much rather read what he says than those dumb "Back up the truck!" predictions that many posters feel obligated to start.
 

munson15

I want winners...
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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I can occasionally turn a phrase, John, you know that.
 

TomBrady#1

EOG Dedicated
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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I guess it's white man's burden.

Ahhh...there might be another legit explanation on why you post and desire to post where you are DESPISED. Not hard to figure. IF you were not in denial, you could figure it out too. :pop:
 
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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Ahhh...there might be another legit explanation on why you post and desire to post where you are DESPISED. Not hard to figure. IF you were not in denial, you could figure it out too. :pop:

Why am I despised?

By now, I would think that gamblers would have conquered this sports gambling thang.

There seems to be a lot of anger out there.

I just tell you that you can't manage flies on cowshit. And then you get personal with the hate posts.

If you could actually succeed at this sports gambling thang, why would you ever worry about me?
 

TomBrady#1

EOG Dedicated
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

Why am I despised?

By now, I would think that gamblers would have conquered this sports gambling thang.

There seems to be a lot of anger out there.

I just tell you that you can't manage flies on cowshit. And then you get personal with the hate posts.

If you could actually succeed at this sports gambling thang, why would you ever worry about me?

JJ the question is not WHY you are DESPISED. THey do. GOt it? Once you understand that you can move on to the next step. But you cannot get passed that. Keep trying the good fight JJ. :pop::pop::pop::pop::pop::pop::pop::pop:
 
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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Eight emoticons in a row. I underestimate what I am up againt.
 

Integrity

EOG Master
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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Hard to argue with that, Jeff, but how then do you explain the 'smartest poster' thread?

haha

started that as a joke

surprised it gained so much traction

turned out to be quite a thread
 

gmenknicks

EOG Dedicated
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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I am not really that mad. You just are a person who makes this place worse, not better. Many posters feel the same way. If this was my bar I would respectfully decline your patronage. Its clear you revel in the whole "gadfly/curmudgeon" role. You think you are intellectually superior and more enlightened than most of us but you are not.

Simply taking the time to type out proper sentences doesn't make you intelligent. I have seen maybe one or two posts of yours that had some speck of insight.

But more than any of this you just are a foul and unpleasant presence. Your negativity is beyond annoying. You absolutely love the anonymity of the forum that you bash others on. I know this because you would absolutely never walk into a bar or sportsbook and spew your negative shit to all the gamblers sitting there. But you do it from the safety of your computer. Is that not hiding in anonymity?

Its unfortunate for you, but it would be great if you would just leave. The general atmosphere would probably improve immediately.

Just my opinion.

Why do you get so mad at me? You can bet on anything you want. I am hardly the cancerous decision that makes you guess wrong.
 

Integrity

EOG Master
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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^^HOT DAMN!!

I think of JJ as a sort of comic relief. Don't take him seriously and he's like a bitter ol' uncle that is mad the world is changing. So in a way he's funny.

But, totally agree with you about the sportsbar comparison. The key for this or any forum is to have that mindset/approach in settings things up.
 
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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You have no idea what goes on here on a daily basis.

Keep posting. We want to keep it that way.
 

gmenknicks

EOG Dedicated
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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Fine. Maybe I do not. If you would explain it to me I would appreciate it. Then you would be posting something useful and insighful.

So please explain to me what goes on here on a daily basis so i can walk away more informed than I previously was. I would be thankful for the imformation.

You have no idea what goes on here on a daily basis.

Keep posting. We want to keep it that way.
 

High Times

EOG Master
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

Why am I despised?

By now, I would think that gamblers would have conquered this sports gambling thang.

There seems to be a lot of anger out there.

I just tell you that you can't manage flies on cowshit. And then you get personal with the hate posts.

If you could actually succeed at this sports gambling thang, why would you ever worry about me?


You are 100% correct, but you obviously don't understand the childlike mentality of the posters on these forums. Everything bothers them and you are the cream of the crop.

I have no idea why you would bother anybody except maybe you are right about these guys all being losers and hate YOU for it....

:LMAO

There's way too much hate going around these places and I see none of that from you.

:cheers

I actually enjoy what you do ...... Makes as much sense as the bullshit these self-proclaimed sharps post........
 

munson15

I want winners...
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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haha

started that as a joke

surprised it gained so much traction

turned out to be quite a thread
Your joke was so good I co-opted it and made another joke out of it.:cheers
 
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

AFAIK no one on RTP "despises" Jeff Jones, they simply find him boring. He repeatedly posted off-topic crap in unrelated threads, and after he was given a personal thread for his random thoughts, he kept posting them in other threads over and over again. His final post was posting in a thread about celebrity deaths to complain that I was "ranting about Fezzik on EOG." (That particular "rant" was in response to a question of "why do people rag on Fezzik" in which I replied with a 4 line answer about why Fezzik is a fraud.)
 

TomBrady#1

EOG Dedicated
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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AFAIK no one on RTP "despises" Jeff Jones, they simply find him boring. He repeatedly posted off-topic crap in unrelated threads, and after he was given a personal thread for his random thoughts, he kept posting them in other threads over and over again. His final post was posting in a thread about celebrity deaths to complain that I was "ranting about Fezzik on EOG." (That particular "rant" was in response to a question of "why do people rag on Fezzik" in which I replied with a 4 line answer about why Fezzik is a fraud.)

Yep that is JJ. He will not listen at all. This is Jeff to a T.
 
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AFAIK no one on RTP "despises" Jeff Jones, they simply find him boring.

Wha? OK, Groovin' let's turn to the my thread. Wait! We're here!

I'll settle for square, despised, bitter, narcissistic or whatever your Roget's provides you to describe me, but I don't think boring is accurate.

Right at 500 page views in 3 days. On the first page, there are only two threads which haven't been out there for at least a month who have more.

One is the EOG "We are changing things for the better!" thread that appears annually. Hope sells. Ask Barack.

The second one is "The Fezzik Bros." thread started four days earlier than mine. Hating Fezzik has become a cottage industry on sports gambling websites. LOL. He doesn't even have to participate in the thread much less initiate it to draw heat.

Groovin knows full well that anything of real value is not going to be posted on a public gambling website. RTP may pride itself on a small bevy of Sharps, but it's pretty much limited to Death Pool selections and Fezzik attack rants.

Just enjoy the Soap Opera and chill out.
 

Fezzik

EOG Veteran
Jeff, the Check is a Pretender

Jeff, the Check is a Pretender

Way too many example to list, but recently he bet the baseball Grand Salami on the Home teams since they were net ML favorites.

He also doesn't seem to be able to understand that in NBA series prices 1 team can be 55% play -2, and the very next game the OTHER guys are a 57% play at the same price +2. (Mia/Boston)

Me thinks Check has likely never even looked or thought about ONE baseball game's run totals on home and away teams (to make it easy for him at a pk'm price). If he had he would realize how awful his analysis was.

He explained there was an impact of the bottom of the 9th omisssion. Somehow he missed the truncation of scoring for the home team in EVERY xtra inning.......


EXAMPLE:

Jeff Jones 7

Check 2

Final. 10 threads.
 

absolutvodka999

EOG Addicted
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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a pretender calling someone else a pretender. guess you would know how to spot pretenders. youve been pretending to win at betting sports the last 5 years
 

Fezzik

EOG Veteran
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Yup. that's what I have been hearing........I guess it must be true.

Seriously, I've lost on my releases during the past few years vs. Widely Available lines. I make no excuses. I've tried to do too many sports, and my work hasn't been good enough. It has become very, very difficult for me to give out winners vs. widely available numbers when I'm handicapping multiple sports. The marketplace is so much faster.

My Vancouver friend got the Mia Heat +2 opener at Pinnacle on my recommendation. I gave them out +1.5/+1 on the overnight line (+1.5 was gone quickly). It's easy to say "What the (_#*(%, releasing them at 1am in the middle of the night". The problem is that by a normal hour you blink and the Heat are -1, an your likley 55% +1.5 play is no longer worth a bet.

When you just focus on one sport, and you have talent and drive you win. You win betting Rams OVER 5.5 +110. It's a lot harder winning when you have to play into OV 6. Ditto for stuff like HOU -6 hosting mia. A great bet -6. A pretty darn good bet -6.5. Once it settles in at 7, happy hour is over, and now the -7 is still preferred but it's unclear if it will win 52.4%.

Willy Loman did a nice job explaining all this.

I gave out 604 ATL -3.5 last night, ok to play -4. ATL -5 ? No good at all.......
 

High Times

EOG Master
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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Yup. that's what I have been hearing........I guess it must be true.

Seriously, I've lost on my releases during the past few years vs. Widely Available lines. I make no excuses. I've tried to do too many sports, and my work hasn't been good enough. It has become very, very difficult for me to give out winners vs. widely available numbers when I'm handicapping multiple sports. The marketplace is so much faster.

My Vancouver friend got the Mia Heat +2 opener at Pinnacle on my recommendation. I gave them out +1.5/+1 on the overnight line (+1.5 was gone quickly). It's easy to say "What the (_#*(%, releasing them at 1am in the middle of the night". The problem is that by a normal hour you blink and the Heat are -1, an your likley 55% +1.5 play is no longer worth a bet.

When you just focus on one sport, and you have talent and drive you win. You win betting Rams OVER 5.5 +110. It's a lot harder winning when you have to play into OV 6. Ditto for stuff like HOU -6 hosting mia. A great bet -6. A pretty darn good bet -6.5. Once it settles in at 7, happy hour is over, and now the -7 is still preferred but it's unclear if it will win 52.4%.

Willy Loman did a nice job explaining all this.

I gave out 604 ATL -3.5 last night, ok to play -4. ATL -5 ? No good at all.......



It's simple

How many of your "real life serious" bets are made at the best number you can get at the time of your bet? And how many are made in the middle of the day at widely available numbers?

I would bet it's about 100% for the first answer and 0% for the second.

It is close to impossible for anyone to pick winners for others unless the person is right next to them making the same exact bets. The numbers move that fast especially the openers. If you wait you lose a lot of value.

No tout can give a bet using the opening lines, but they can get those bets themselves.

You can never judge a bettors/touts success based on bets made on widely available lines. That's not realistic.

It's very possible that FEZZIK is making a lot of money betting early and late on the same games. It's very possible he wins on a good % of his early bets and his late bets.

I would hope he is smart enough to make a profit no matter how bad he is doing because just betting the moves can make you money even if those moves are losers. That is why getting the best lines is the 1st and most important aspect to gambling.

Doesn't matter if I like FEZZIK or not ... the fact remains the guy should be making money.

I just don't get the tout shit, but to each his own.
 

Fezzik

EOG Veteran
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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In my overpriced seminar, I explained some stuff. The other day several played a Weaver game (I think UN 7.5). Uh-oh. 3-0 middle of the 1st. Weaver gone.

Any tout/capper who gave that under out is dead. LOSER. Done. But any sharp bettor sees the in run live wagering at 10. What's this? ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL!! THey have priced the next 8.5 innings like Weaver is pitching, but he's not. Boom. Bet OV 10. (OR OV 7.5 -big vig). Done. Problem fixed (unless it lands 8 or 9, but you get the idea).
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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Unless it's lands eight or nine?

Eight and nine are real possibilities.
 

High Times

EOG Master
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Unless it's lands eight or nine?

Eight and nine are real possibilities.


He has already moved on at that point. If he or anyone played under 7 1/2 and Weaver being out you mind as well call it a loser. That doesn't mean that playing over 10 is off limits.

He is right. The over 10 did possess a lot of value. Why not bet the bet? The first bet is in the past. No reason to not move forward.

I have done this many a times. The first bet I made might be over instantly, but later during the game there might be a bet that I would consider having pretty good value even if it against my initial bet. You can't look at it any other way. It's just another bet.
 

High Times

EOG Master
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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Thou shalt not bet polish middles.


Yep but with every polish middle you might end up with ... and you will end up with them ........ if you make enough bets.

You get the over 7 1/2 and under 10 situations. And just like with anything it's results that keep you betting or giving up the fight.

As long as you are profiting from these bets their is no problem.

That's all that matters
 

Fezzik

EOG Veteran
FOCUS

FOCUS

We are only betting OV 10 BECAUSE 7.5 is a stupid line to put up on game that has Ana bullpen by committee, not Weaver, all game. 3-0 middle of 1st, dealing 10, is the same pretty much as dealing 7.5 pregrame.

Why such a dumb line? NO TIME TO GET EVERY GAME RIGHT, so just use the formula, which won't work here obivously.

The beauty of OV 10 was that is REDUCES your overall exposure, AND has + expectation. There is no mathematical reason to fear polish middles.......you can get middled, and in fact WILL get middle quite a few times. But if OV 10 is a good bet, AND you have UN 7.5, the match says you should bet even more on OV 10 given the lemon you have.
 

High Times

EOG Master
Re: FOCUS

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We are only betting OV 10 BECAUSE 7.5 is a stupid line to put up on game that has Ana bullpen by committee, not Weaver, all game. 3-0 middle of 1st, dealing 10, is the same pretty much as dealing 7.5 pregrame.

Why such a dumb line? NO TIME TO GET EVERY GAME RIGHT, so just use the formula, which won't work here obivously.

The beauty of OV 10 was that is REDUCES your overall exposure, AND has + expectation. There is no mathematical reason to fear polish middles.......you can get middled, and in fact WILL get middle quite a few times. But if OV 10 is a good bet, AND you have UN 7.5, the match says you should bet even more on OV 10 given the lemon you have.


Would you say that there is "higher risk" but with higher rewards IF you know what you are doing?
 

Patrick McIrish

OCCams raZOR
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Guys, I was displaying my rather dry sense of humor. I apologize if anyone took me seriously. FTR I agree, the next bet should be thought of independently and if it's +EV of course it should be made. My bad for the confusion. Carry on boys.
 

Fezzik

EOG Veteran
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An extreme example would be that you bet on the 602 Indiana -9.5. Your Odds service flashes "Tamika Catchings" (..or whatever the spelling of her name) is OUT. The line goes to 8.5 with some 8s as you were busy watching a horse race and missed the initial move. A +8.5 -110 bet is likely the correct bet, as it likely has +EV, AND reduces your risk.
 

PerpetualCzech

EOG Addicted
Re: Jeff, the Check is a Pretender

Re: Jeff, the Check is a Pretender

Me thinks Check has likely never even looked or thought about ONE baseball game's run totals on home and away teams (to make it easy for him at a pk'm price).

The laughingstock of the sharp community doesn't like my analysis. If only I had bothered to think about a single game lined at Pick I would've seen the light.

PerpetualCzech said:
in a game lined Pick the Away Team Total will be slightly higher than the Home Team Total.

Me thinks Fezzik in his rush to fire back at his critics didn't bother to read the thread he was talking about.

It's an absolute pleasure to see you limping around the boards like a wounded duck. One of these days I'm going to have to start a thread and publish all the Skype chats I've had with my partners snickering at all the LOL reasoning you've thrown at the wall the last few years.
 
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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I don't like to set myself up for Polish middles - who does? - but Fezzik is right about there being instances where it makes sense to do so. The first bet is a sunk cost, so to speak. It has no bearing whatsoever on the adjusted line at the end of the first inning or any subsequent inning thereafter. I've done it with in-game basketball totals on rare occasions and been fortunate to never get middled.

However, as JK mentioned those 8 and 9 run totals are very common numbers, even with the adjusted price. It's much easier to get away with it on NBA totals than MLB totals. However, the one reason where I could justify doing so more than any other is exactly what happened with the Angels, an injury in the beginning of the game to a starting pitcher.
 

rainbow

EOG Master
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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I don't like to set myself up for Polish middles - who does? - but Fezzik is right about there being instances where it makes sense to do so. The first bet is a sunk cost, so to speak. It has no bearing whatsoever on the adjusted line at the end of the first inning or any subsequent inning thereafter. I've done it with in-game basketball totals on rare occasions and been fortunate to never get middled.

However, as JK mentioned those 8 and 9 run totals are very common numbers, even with the adjusted price. It's much easier to get away with it on NBA totals than MLB totals. However, the one reason where I could justify doing so more than any other is exactly what happened with the Angels, an injury in the beginning of the game to a starting pitcher.
100% agree, also when I make 2nd halfs I don't let it have no bearing on the game spread, unless if we have a big decision and its well worth it...
 

High Times

EOG Master
Re: Perpetual Czech Still Rejects Me

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The key is to NOT make the second bet to get off the first. That is a mistake. You have to eat the first bet.

The only reason to make the second bet on the same game is because you see value in that bet. And that would mean even making a second bet on the under 10 if you feel there's value going under again.

Never polish middle yourself for the reason of trying to get your money back on the first bet.

:pop:
 

munson15

I want winners...
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I think that's good advice HT. Thanks.:cheers
 
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