JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

[Cee]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

Cee please choose one

A) Mofome>Sheldon Brown

B) Sheldon Brown>Mofome

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

at what?

 

[JuanTimeKid]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

This is not an extends commercial, size does not matter here. I am not a small person and there is no chance that I would be scared of you. Most here know that, Im not sure why you went that route, but I don't wish you any harm in the least and have no desire to get in any physical dispute with you.

I would be interested to hear how many people, who received this email, called a number other than the one given. Its not as if its a long email. When being offered something, whether it be in the gambling world or not, you want to read through it to be clear on what you are getting, the strings attached, and the requirements you need to meet.

Again, I tried to reach you, I did send you 2 PMs hoping to hear from you, I am not someone who bullshits or lies to people. I wanted to side with you when I first heard that something was going on. I have been there for the guys for many reasons. Its just seems obvious to me what happened here.

We can meet right now if you live anywhere near Washington or Baltimore.

There you go again twisting words, jesus man I don't know how you have ANY credibility at all - I don't think Jimmy was trying to call you out to fight, once again, are you 8????? Ur biggest defense is this stupid number, it is truly a joke, and the more and more post I read from you, I think it is one big level!!!!!

 

[mofome]

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shrink,

what kind of son am i? god you guys are really getting classy here. I never even spoke to the host i had one time until he emailed me. all of my correspondence with them was via email except for the one call i made to check on withdrawals and even then i did not speak with tony stewart.

You guys can claim to be player advocates all you want but that is not the case. this is a clear cut case and deep down inside you know it. I won that money fair and square.

shrink you told me today it was mostly because of sbr and there negative press that you could not get me paid and now you are trying to paint me out as a liar and a cheater to get the heat off of you.

You would have looked great had you made the right decision here. the only people on your side are the ones working for you. that should tell you enough. You should be calling oddsmaker to work out a mediation like you said you were doing earlier. what happened to asking me if i was willing to make deposits with oddsmaker if this was settled and i said yes and you said you were still working on it. Two hours later your trying to discredit me on the forums to make urself look better.

shamless.

If Ken cared about how he 'looked', he would have sided with you. Ken is a millionaire, oddsmaker doesn't come remotely close to making or breaking him. He did the thing he knew would be unpopular, but the thing he saw as right.

 

[JC]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

If he had called the number in the email, as I would assume everyone did, as Jimmy did, it would illustrate nothing more than an honest mistake.

Do you really believe that the issue is a measly 8k?

I think the issue is Oddsmaker is a crooked book run by people who have stolen in the past, both from players in this business and in their past businesses.

They send out too good to be true offers and if someone is lucky enough to win they look for any reason they can not to pay.

Please tell me what PROOF Oddsmaker has put forward that he tried to abuse the bonus system as opposed to the player passing a generous offer on to his father?

 

[JuanTimeKid]

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Closing a tab and closing an account are two different things. He was being addressed calmly and, as he changed his story, he was still given the chance to do nothing more than admit his mistake. After all, the truth doesn't change, does it?

How do you know he changed his story, bc some stroke on the phone said so, the same guy calling guys out for being "Sneaky"

 

[mofome]

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There you go again twisting words, jesus man I don't know how you have ANY credibility at all - I don't think Jimmy was trying to call you out to fight, once again, are you 8????? Ur biggest defense is this stupid number, it is truly a joke, and the more and more post I read from you, I think it is one big level!!!!!

I have twisted nothing, you loyalties are blind and that is fine. You don't know how I have any credibility at all? Well, perhaps because I have reached in to my own pocket more than once for the player. Maybe thats why. You don't know anything about me at all. Nothing.

You call me 8 then go on to debate your point with the word UR. Well played.

If you care to address something seriously, please do so.

 

[JC]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

Furthermore, let's not attack the Shrink. Attack the decision!

 

[jimmymac24]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

Mofo,

please stop with the you can meet right now stuff. Trust me you dont want to meet me in person. this is not about you and me anyway.

Your spinning things cuz u work for EOG. If you wanted to get my side of the story you would have gotten my number from ken and called me. i dont look at my private messages. did not even know i had them on these sites.

You are taking the side of your boss and i appreciate that but everyone here knows your opinion in biased and your trying to save face.

think of all the good press eog and oddsmaker would have gotten if the right thing was done here.

 

[ShavenCoinpurse]

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If Ken cared about how he 'looked', he would have sided with you. Ken is a millionaire, oddsmaker doesn't come remotely close to making or breaking him. He did the thing he knew would be unpopular, but the thing he saw as right.

ken admitted he didn't exactly "side" with Oddsmaker. He was working on a deal today he said to get him at least partially paid but the SBR bad press is the reason he couldn't get the deal done. So, it isn't like Shrink looked this whole thing over and thought Jimmy shouldn't be paid. He was TRYING to get him paid but Oddsmaker said NO.

 

[Thor4140]

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:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

at what?

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

 

[ballwonder]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

Where is Enfuego when you need him, he is rational and his opinion would prevail.

 

[Rinkrat]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

This is why I don't like bonuses.

:thumbsup

 

[JuanTimeKid]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

I have twisted nothing, you loyalties are blind and that is fine. You don't know how I have any credibility at all? Well, perhaps because I have reached in to my own pocket more than once for the player. Maybe thats why. You don't know anything about me at all. Nothing.

You call me 8 then go on to debate your point with the word UR. Well played.

If you care to address something seriously, please do so.

Oh wait, because you put up money for some guy out of your OWN pocket, that gives you credibility? Not sure where you are from, but credibility is about a lot more than just $$$$$ -

 

[JuanTimeKid]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

:thumbsup

I joined betonline.com 3 months ago, I refuse to accept their bonuses for this reason, I don't want anything coming back when I want to withdraw - So far, betonline has been GREAT, fwiw......

 

[beedo]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

Heading out now (but will definitely check back on this thread later)..

Regardless of who's right and who's wrong..

I hate to say it, because I don't agree with EOG's position on this issue, but the next time another issue similar in degree of polarity arises (that is, there seems to be a clear cut right side and wrong side), you, mofome, and shrink need to get your game straight.

That means Ken plays "bad cop" and the head mod plays "good cop". But you guys fucked up and instead played bad cop and bad cop. Two bad cops pisses people off. There has to be a good cop, else you get the masses to revolting against you!

 

[MonaLisa]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

Mofome whoop this guys ass.:suit:

 

[TonyMar]

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All this stuff about what number the father called is ridiculous.

If he had called the number on the email they would be saying that is proof he was trying to get a bonus not meant for him. Oddsmaker would be saying if he was innocent he would have called the general number.

Shrink, you really need to stop attacking the player here. Stick to the issues.

What PROOF has Oddsmaker presented that he was trying to abuse the bonus system as opposed to passing what he thought was a generous offer on to his father?

thank you for agreeing on the phone number...

being an irrelevant excuse...

enabling oddsmaker to steal from jimmy.:cheers

 

[ATX]

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EOG paycheck > doing the right thing

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How naive.

How naive.

Mo, seriously.

YOU calling someone naive in this industry....

I wasn't directing the above statement towards YOU specifically.

EOG paychecks come from advertising dollars.

the whole spin job about phone numbers called and telling the book to close his account...it holds no water. Haven't YOU gotten pissed off at a bank or other company and told them "JUST CLOSE MY ACCOUNT!!" ??

it's a way of saying 'you guys are wasting my time, yanking my chain, aren't worth doing business with...or are less than honest....'

JC is bringing up some very good points, and it's in EOG's best interest to listen and/or discuss these issues with him.

Ken? he's probably out this industry soon and all he cares about is the money.

 

[TONY MONTANA]

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MAY'N that took a long time to read and I am sure it was tough for THE SHRINK to publish this ruling....knowing this would happen.

I would have just said....I couldn't get the two sides together...and left it at that...but I usually take the easy route!

I know THE SHRINK worked hard on this case and had questions about this problem from the start. Bottomline is...if you agree with the ruling or not! The Shrink has more info on the dispute than any of us...and tried to find the truth!

Shrink I would suggest leaving these cases alone in the future....it's just not worth the time IMO..

 

[roach23]

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I think the issue is Oddsmaker is a crooked book run by people who have stolen in the past, both from players in this business and in their past businesses.

They send out too good to be true offers and if someone is lucky enough to win they look for any reason they can not to pay.

Please tell me what PROOF Oddsmaker has put forward that he tried to abuse the bonus system as opposed to the player passing a generous offer on to his father?

Anyone from EOG gonna answer this?

 

[ATX]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

Where is Enfuego when you need him, he is rational and his opinion would prevail.

OGD.

banned from EOG unless something has changed.

 

[TonyMar]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

Shrink I would suggest leaving these cases alone in the future....it's just not worth the time IMO..

so...

as follows that logic...

then do not accept money from sportsbooks to advertise here right?

 

[Blondie]

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OGD.

banned from EOG unless something has changed.

Enfuego was never banned from EOG....

 

[ballwonder]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

OGD.

banned from EOG unless something has changed.

ATX, honestly if he is telling anyone that, it is not the case. He is not banned and never was.

 

[ballwonder]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

Blondie one day I will be quicker at posting then you, one day.

 

[THE SHRINK]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

.....

Please tell me what PROOF Oddsmaker has put forward that he tried to abuse the bonus system as opposed to the player passing a generous offer on to his father?

For starters, the email was addressed to Johnnymac, not his Father....

If Oddsmaker wanted his father to receiver this specific VIP offer, they would have sent it to his Father...

Everything in this email was specific, including the phone number to dial and the contact person...

And if you REALLY wanted to send it to your Father, Jay, wouldn't you go and ask the person whose name was on the email if this was kosher to do?

 

[Blondie]

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ATX, honestly if he is telling anyone that, it is not the case. He is not banned and never was.

Little slow today? :+textinb3

 

[quisp]

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Ignorance. I talk some shit to people about games and things of that matter. I take this very seriously. I care about the guys more than you have any idea and I have gone out of my way for many many posters.

have a few and get back to me

 

[ATX]

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MAY'N that took a long time to read and I am sure it was tough for THE SHRINK to publish this ruling....knowing this would happen.

I would have just said....I couldn't get the two sides together...and left it at that...but I usually take the easy route!

I know THE SHRINK worked hard on this case and had questions about this problem from the start. Bottomline is...if you agree with the ruling or not! The Shrink has more money riding on the dispute than any of us...and is trying to buy a new girlfriend!

Shrink I would suggest leaving these cases alone in the future....the lemmings can see the trail leading over the cliff..

fixed it for ya Ken, I mean Tony.

 

[Mammon]

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Jesus,

Shrink was on the players side

He got nothing and could not get Oddsmaker to pay.

He rendered no decision at all.

He just found a way to make it look like it was his verdict here.

Why is it so hard to figure out..

 

[nedrow]

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odds maker schould have just said no to the father , and offer maybe a lesser offer. no way say anything to jmac why fuk up the shop with a guy that bets a lot ,i booked small time for years and its tuff to win.

 

[TonyMar]

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For starters, the email was addressed to Johnnymac, not his Father....

If Oddsmaker wanted his father to receiver this specific VIP offer, they would have sent it to his Father...

Everything in this email was specific, including the phone number to dial and the contact person...

And if you wanted to send it to your Father, Jay, wouldn't you go and ask the person whose name was on the email of this was kosher?

lem banker used to send out football sponsored rotations...

had all kinds of goodies inside...

these went out to certain players only...

by the sportsbook's direction i'm sure...

was posted on the portals like this...

i had an account at one of 'em...

called and got the same offer...

i was never asked where i saw it...

or how i fuckin' new about it...

they had some real beauties too...

like...

'dont like the side/total of your mnf play? call in at halftime & cancel your bet'...or 'like the side/total of your mnf play? call in at halftime & triple your bet!'

they gave me the same promo.

 

[JC]

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For starters, the email was addressed to Johnnymac, not his Father....

If Oddsmaker wanted his father to receiver this specific VIP offer, they would have sent it to his Father...

Everything in this email was specific, including the phone number to dial and the contact person...

And if you wanted to send it to your Father, Jay, wouldn't you go and ask the person whose name was on the email of this was kosher?

You're really reaching here. Is that the best proof you have they were trying to abuse the bonus system? Because it's not proof at all. It doesn't prove a thing.

Stop with the phone number argument. It's absurd. If he had called the number on the email, you would be saying that is proof it was abuse.

If they were such seasoned bonus abusers, don't you think he would have gotten his money out first?

As far as sending it to my father, I could see myself just passing it on. After all, if it wasn't meant for everyone, he wouldn't get it, which he didn't in this case.

It doesn't matter. Oddsmaker is a crooked book run by crooks. They are stealing this man's money.

I hope someone bumps these threads everyday between now and the Superbowl.

 

[jimmymac24]

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why wouldnt i pass on the number of tony stewart? cuz i didnt analyze it like you guys are doing right now.

I was on the phone half listening to my dad and half watching the games on sportsline. My dad was asking me what i was doing. I told him bout the deal i got, he started asking questions about the company and to get him off the phone i said ill forward you the email i got.

He then opened an account and called the number on the website.

Why is this so hard for you guys to get???? you think there was some elaborate plan in place. believe me if i had a plan in place to scam a book for bonus money it would be a lot more extensive. this is crazy. spinning everything to justify a bad decision.

the strongest point made all day was the first email i received had rules on it and nowhere did it mention bonus abuse. see below one more time.

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Take us up on the offer???...you?ve got nothing to lose!
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Sincerely,

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[TONY MONTANA]

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so...

as follows that logic...

then do not accept money from sportsbooks to advertise here right?

no...that is not what I am saying.....obviously THE SHRINK thought ODDSMAKER was right.....

but either way it's a no win IMO...no matter how he rules someone disagrees. It's really not a job I would want to have....I know books make bad calls, but on these sites...you guys would side with the players if he took an AK47 in and shot up the place.

i have no inside knowledge of the case....just seems like a job I wouldn't want.

 

[THE SHRINK]

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You're really reaching here. Is that the best proof you have they were trying to abuse the bonus system? Because it's not proof at all. It doesn't prove a thing.

Stop with the phone number argument. It's absurd. If he had called the number on the email, you would be saying that is proof it was abuse.

If they were such seasoned bonus abusers, don't you think he would have gotten his money out first?

As far as sending it to my father, I could see myself just passing it on. After all, if it wasn't meant for everyone, he wouldn't get it, which he didn't in this case.

It doesn't matter. Oddsmaker is a crooked book run by crooks. They are stealing this man's money.

I hope someone bumps these threads everyday between now and the Superbowl.

A guy decides to rob you and you want to defend him? It ruins it for all the honest people who received this bonus without lying or trying to pawn it off to others...

They all got paid, yet you want to reward this guy who I believe knew exactly what he was doing???

That's a sure-fire recipe to go out of business...

I just dont understand you sometimes...:shoot:

 

[ATX]

Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

ATX, honestly if he is telling anyone that, it is not the case. He is not banned and never was.

no, Enfuego didn't say that. Mo unintentionally led me to believe that he was banned in the should there be a "Hall of Fame" thread.

http://forums.eog.com/online-sports...open-hall-228880.html?highlight=EOG+hall+fame

Not a chance in hell. He and the clown enfuego can keep their punkasses elsewhere. Neither is welcome here as far as im concerned. They are the only two.

 

[JC]

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A guy decides to rob you and you want to defend him? It ruins it for all the honest people who received this bonus without lying or trying to pawn it off to others...

They all got paid, yet you want to reward this guy who knew exactly what he was doing...

I just dont understand you sometimes...:shoot:

You have not offered ANY PROOF he was trying to rob them. I'm still waiting.

Was he trying to abuse their bonus system? Maybe, maybe not. The burden of proof is on Oddsmaker.

As far as the moral character of the parties is concerned, Oddsmaker loses. As you know they have stolen many times in the past. From other players, from senior citizens. They don't discriminate.

 

[jimmymac24]

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yeah shrink i tried to rob oddsmaker for 500 dollars. that makes a lot of sense. a guy that bets 200k per year is trying to rob a book out of a 500 dollar free play. im losing respect with each new post. you know my story and should use common sense and say do i really think this guy that plays this big is a bonus chaser or scammer. No logic is being used here. two hours ago your telling me your still trying to get me something and now your making me out to be a robber.

 

[mofome]

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I think the issue is Oddsmaker is a crooked book run by people who have stolen in the past, both from players in this business and in their past businesses.

They send out too good to be true offers and if someone is lucky enough to win they look for any reason they can not to pay.

Please tell me what PROOF Oddsmaker has put forward that he tried to abuse the bonus system as opposed to the player passing a generous offer on to his father?

First of all, no one is debating that Oddsmaker has made their mistakes. Oddsmaker is not under the same ownership that it always has been. They don't have the same management today as they did when several crooked decisions were made.

Here are some facts:

1. Other people have received the same bonus, won, and been paid.
2. Their records show that Not One other person sent that email on to anyone else who tried to collect a bonus.
3. Their records show that Not a single person other than jimmy/father called any number but the one given.

You discount the call so easily, but very simple proof of what took place. Not ONE other person called a number other than the one given. Not a soul.

Why do you think Mr Jimmy was singled out? Perhaps because he lied, made threats, and tried to cheat their system. Oddsmaker has paid out much more money than this, off of this very same bonus, and had no issue. Oddsmaker, under this ownership, has sided with the player and admitted their own errors in disputes.

This is a simple case of a player trying to take advantage of an offer and per oddsmakers rules, that is not allowed.