Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
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Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
He played 1 and 2.... also small forward some... He was a little like magic... Led the NBA in Assists a couple of years and Was the Lakers all time leader in Points, Assists, etc at the time of his retirement. He was too Versatile to keep at just the Point Position, but did play it and run that team a good bit.
He played 1 and 2.... also small forward some... He was a little like magic... Led the NBA in Assists a couple of years and Was the Lakers all time leader in Points, Assists, etc at the time of his retirement. He was too Versatile to keep at just the Point Position, but did play it and run that team a good bit.
Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
He was money when he was with the Sonics...............That Sonics team with Dennis Johnson,Lonnie Shelton,Jack Sikma etc.etc were fun to watch........
He was money when he was with the Sonics...............That Sonics team with Dennis Johnson,Lonnie Shelton,Jack Sikma etc.etc were fun to watch........
Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
Best on offense maybe. Too bad the Suns can't play any D and advance past a good defensive team in the playoffs. He's the funnest to watch for sure but that's about it. If you want to win, get a PG that plays D.
Best on offense maybe. Too bad the Suns can't play any D and advance past a good defensive team in the playoffs. He's the funnest to watch for sure but that's about it. If you want to win, get a PG that plays D.
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Just don't see Kidd in the 1st group maybe the next group of 5. Nash definitely top 5.
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Just don't see Kidd in the 1st group maybe the next group of 5. Nash definitely top 5.
Hache Man
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Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
2 Things......
First......... We all know the true reason Steve Nash will never get the credit he deserves......
Seondly........Although it is has always been very tough for me to decide, I rank John Stockton 1st just over Magic.
I give Stockton the nod because to hold the all time NBA record in an offensive category (assists) AND to hold the all time NBA record in a defensive category (steals) AS WELL/AT THE SAME TIME is just an amazing...amazing feat.....
2 Things......
First......... We all know the true reason Steve Nash will never get the credit he deserves......
Seondly........Although it is has always been very tough for me to decide, I rank John Stockton 1st just over Magic.
I give Stockton the nod because to hold the all time NBA record in an offensive category (assists) AND to hold the all time NBA record in a defensive category (steals) AS WELL/AT THE SAME TIME is just an amazing...amazing feat.....
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P.S. And I don't think because he is white or Canadian anybody is holding back nash's chances at fame and immortality Hache.
I agree with jake. Nash is great, but cannot play defense well enough to be in the top five point guard category.
P.S. And I don't think because he is white or Canadian anybody is holding back nash's chances at fame and immortality Hache.
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2nd in NBA history in assists and not named by one single person. The most underrated PG of all-time is Mark Jackson.
2nd in NBA history in assists and not named by one single person. The most underrated PG of all-time is Mark Jackson.
raycabino
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Utah -7 to-7.5 is evidence enough that Nash's worth ranks right up there with the best that ever played. Utah opened -2 before there was knowledge of Nash's absence. I wonder if Kidd's absence could affect a line this much.:+clueless
Utah -7 to-7.5 is evidence enough that Nash's worth ranks right up there with the best that ever played. Utah opened -2 before there was knowledge of Nash's absence. I wonder if Kidd's absence could affect a line this much.:+clueless
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This is tough. There are some great players. Nash is on a great team for him remember. Cousy was great. A great point guard always thinks pass first (Bob Cousy as always said this). Clyde Frazier was fabulous. I watched Tiny Archibald here in Boston and in 80 and 81 he was so good it was scary. Could not stop his penetration. He was the last player to lead the league in scoring AND assists but that was with the Kings. he played team ball with the Celts. Magic is undisputed number 1. I might also add he is one of the top players of all time and you can make a case he is number 1 overall (yes I just said that). And I am from Boston and do not like the lakers. Stockton, COusy and Nash are the three pure PG's among the group.
This is tough. There are some great players. Nash is on a great team for him remember. Cousy was great. A great point guard always thinks pass first (Bob Cousy as always said this). Clyde Frazier was fabulous. I watched Tiny Archibald here in Boston and in 80 and 81 he was so good it was scary. Could not stop his penetration. He was the last player to lead the league in scoring AND assists but that was with the Kings. he played team ball with the Celts. Magic is undisputed number 1. I might also add he is one of the top players of all time and you can make a case he is number 1 overall (yes I just said that). And I am from Boston and do not like the lakers. Stockton, COusy and Nash are the three pure PG's among the group.
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Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
No.. yes he drives that whole offense but he is also a key reason why the Suns won't ever win the title with their current roster. He is a below average defender, or you could even argue huge liability on the defensive end.
In terms of pure entertainment to watch though, I have to rank him as among the best I've seen in my short lifetime.
No.. yes he drives that whole offense but he is also a key reason why the Suns won't ever win the title with their current roster. He is a below average defender, or you could even argue huge liability on the defensive end.
In terms of pure entertainment to watch though, I have to rank him as among the best I've seen in my short lifetime.
Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
It is very clear that many of those who posted in this thread are of the more modern version NBA point guard. Anytime a person asks for a top all-time "x" list, all it does is reflect the current values of the time. Some will use stats to base their selections, others on value to the team. Having seen many seasons of this league, in no particular order, here are my top five: Cousy, Johnson, Robertson, Stockton and West. Sixth man would be Kidd.
It is very clear that many of those who posted in this thread are of the more modern version NBA point guard. Anytime a person asks for a top all-time "x" list, all it does is reflect the current values of the time. Some will use stats to base their selections, others on value to the team. Having seen many seasons of this league, in no particular order, here are my top five: Cousy, Johnson, Robertson, Stockton and West. Sixth man would be Kidd.
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Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
Scary part is that Nash still has some good years ahead of him. So he'll need to do more to prove to the rest of the poor Garden saps that still believe that Stephon Marbury is the best.
Scary part is that Nash still has some good years ahead of him. So he'll need to do more to prove to the rest of the poor Garden saps that still believe that Stephon Marbury is the best.
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Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
Steve Nash is great, but the future will determine where he ranks amongthe all-time best. Nash's defense is no worse than many others. You don't go to the hall of fame based on "D" unless you are Bill Russell
I'll throw out a few:
Magic: head and shoulders above all
Pete Maravich: Never had the supporting cast to win rings
Calvin Murphy: could do it all at 5-8 tops.
Bob Cousy: the magician and ultimate set up man of his era
Guy Rodgers: tough & crafty as they come..helped Wilt to 100 pts one game
Steve Nash is great, but the future will determine where he ranks amongthe all-time best. Nash's defense is no worse than many others. You don't go to the hall of fame based on "D" unless you are Bill Russell
I'll throw out a few:
Magic: head and shoulders above all
Pete Maravich: Never had the supporting cast to win rings
Calvin Murphy: could do it all at 5-8 tops.
Bob Cousy: the magician and ultimate set up man of his era
Guy Rodgers: tough & crafty as they come..helped Wilt to 100 pts one game
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How many rings does Stockton, your #4 pick have?
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How many rings does Stockton, your #4 pick have?
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Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
Identity... you can't have it both ways.... Stockton either won Championships or he didn't..... You have to hold them all to the same standards or you are being a Hypocrite....
Nash has lost to some of the Best players of this ERA of the NBA... does not matter if you believe they are as good or JOrdan or not.....
Stockton Championships = 0 with no chance to every win one....
Nash Championships = 0 With Many more chances to win one
Identity... you can't have it both ways.... Stockton either won Championships or he didn't..... You have to hold them all to the same standards or you are being a Hypocrite....
Nash has lost to some of the Best players of this ERA of the NBA... does not matter if you believe they are as good or JOrdan or not.....
Stockton Championships = 0 with no chance to every win one....
Nash Championships = 0 With Many more chances to win one
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ID,
Stockton and Nash have the same number of rings. By your definition they're both losers so how can Stockton be your #4?
ID,
Stockton and Nash have the same number of rings. By your definition they're both losers so how can Stockton be your #4?
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Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
and dirty - its not hypcritical to mention mj...hes the greatest ever.they barely lost in their playoff series. nah has played against nowhere near someone like mj......so nash should be getting to the finals and controlling the games. he doesnt because he cracks under the pressure.
and dirty - its not hypcritical to mention mj...hes the greatest ever.they barely lost in their playoff series. nah has played against nowhere near someone like mj......so nash should be getting to the finals and controlling the games. he doesnt because he cracks under the pressure.
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It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 Identity.... It all goes down as a loss.... Keep changing the Criteria for how you rank players as you go..... I don't care.... You back door and Justify everything you every post....
It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 Identity.... It all goes down as a loss.... Keep changing the Criteria for how you rank players as you go..... I don't care.... You back door and Justify everything you every post....
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Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
ID,
So Stockton's a bigger or smaller loser than Nash? Nash has never lost a Final series, much less two of them. And they have the same number of rings, don't they?
ID,
So Stockton's a bigger or smaller loser than Nash? Nash has never lost a Final series, much less two of them. And they have the same number of rings, don't they?
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Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
you did change the rules... you commented Nash has never won a Championship or How many has he won.... but your #4 has not won any either.... you are a hypocrite in how you judge players... bottom line....
I am not arguing with you anymore about it.... Justify it how you want in your mind.... you have different sets of rules for different players
you did change the rules... you commented Nash has never won a Championship or How many has he won.... but your #4 has not won any either.... you are a hypocrite in how you judge players... bottom line....
I am not arguing with you anymore about it.... Justify it how you want in your mind.... you have different sets of rules for different players
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Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
NASH IS A TWO TIME NBA MVP, YOU CANNOT BASE HIS RANKING SOLELY ON NOT WINNING AN NBA TITLE...STOCKTON HAD NOT REACHED THE FINALS AT THIS POINT IN HIS CAREER EITHER..
IF NASH PLAYED ON THOSE UTAH TEAMS HE TOO WOULD HAVE LIKELY MADE THE FINALS WITH MALONE. IF YOU PUT STOCKTON ON THESE SUNS TEAMS HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A BACK TO BACK NBA MVP.
NASH IS A GREATER ALL AROUND PLAYER THAN JOHN STOCKTON....IT IS CLOSE BUT NASH GETS THE EDGE.
EOD
NASH IS A TWO TIME NBA MVP, YOU CANNOT BASE HIS RANKING SOLELY ON NOT WINNING AN NBA TITLE...STOCKTON HAD NOT REACHED THE FINALS AT THIS POINT IN HIS CAREER EITHER..
IF NASH PLAYED ON THOSE UTAH TEAMS HE TOO WOULD HAVE LIKELY MADE THE FINALS WITH MALONE. IF YOU PUT STOCKTON ON THESE SUNS TEAMS HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A BACK TO BACK NBA MVP.
NASH IS A GREATER ALL AROUND PLAYER THAN JOHN STOCKTON....IT IS CLOSE BUT NASH GETS THE EDGE.
EOD
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Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
It is very close though between Nash and Stockton....Nash a little more dynamic of a scorer, longer range and a little bit more of a pure shooter than Stockton....it's damn close though.
Stockton also played at a very high level for a long time, remains to be seen if Nash can sustain this high level of play, although I believe he will.
I don't think Nash is ever going to win one , he is 34 now and Phoenix just seems to be in the same boat as always.
It is very close though between Nash and Stockton....Nash a little more dynamic of a scorer, longer range and a little bit more of a pure shooter than Stockton....it's damn close though.
Stockton also played at a very high level for a long time, remains to be seen if Nash can sustain this high level of play, although I believe he will.
I don't think Nash is ever going to win one , he is 34 now and Phoenix just seems to be in the same boat as always.
royboy
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Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
that is ridiculous and untrue. nash is one of the best shooters in the league and not someone you want to leave open in crunch time. i remember him single handedly beating the mavs 3 years ago i believe in the playoffs. he was unstoppable.
i agree, stockton should not be punished for losing to mj, but nash isn't facing a slouch in timmy d every year.
the never won argument is garbage imo, same people said peyton was shit before he won last year, and they didn't have a clue either.
that is ridiculous and untrue. nash is one of the best shooters in the league and not someone you want to leave open in crunch time. i remember him single handedly beating the mavs 3 years ago i believe in the playoffs. he was unstoppable.
i agree, stockton should not be punished for losing to mj, but nash isn't facing a slouch in timmy d every year.
the never won argument is garbage imo, same people said peyton was shit before he won last year, and they didn't have a clue either.
Journeyman
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Re: Is Steve Nash one of the 5 best point guards of alltime?
Who says I didn't factor it in?
Nash is a better all around athlete..the Suns play a very offensive minded game (in case you did not know)
Show me how many white, smallish, guards can win back to back NBA MVP awards on the planet?
answer =one guy , there is ONE guy on this planet that can accomplish that , Stockton could never have won an NBA MVP award, and I am not knocking Stockton.
Who says I didn't factor it in?
Nash is a better all around athlete..the Suns play a very offensive minded game (in case you did not know)
Show me how many white, smallish, guards can win back to back NBA MVP awards on the planet?
answer =one guy , there is ONE guy on this planet that can accomplish that , Stockton could never have won an NBA MVP award, and I am not knocking Stockton.