Let's talk about fixed games guys

The General

The General

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Now, I believe fully that games in all sports are fixed at some time or another, but a person does not come into a public forum and tell everyone about a fix, right? If you know that info, then you keep hush hush and collect, no?
 
Hache Man

Hache Man

"Seven Days Without Gambling Makes One Weak"
I remember when I was a young kid, there was a large writeup in Playboy about how Professional Football was rigged......... Late 70's, early 80's I believe
 
J

JJGOLD

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Frustrated gamblers cry fix. In The Pros guys make too much money to fix games. It is possible in some college sports every once in a while and usually involves a heavy favorite not covering but winning the game.
 
Hache Man

Hache Man

"Seven Days Without Gambling Makes One Weak"
jjgold said:
Frustrated gamblers cry fix. In The Pros guys make too much money to fix games. It is possible in some college sports every once in a while and usually involves a heavy favorite not covering but winning the game.
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True JJ.....

But in all reality, how hard would it REALLY be for, let's say, the NFL to be fixed.......


Let's assume Vegas acts as the "Base" of all activity, and the "fix" would only apply to Vegas itself.

Next, let's just use the NFL for an example now, & Vegas are affiliated, or on the same "team".

Of course, millions of dollars in wagers go in for that specific day.

With all of Vegas' technology, by halftime all figures throughout Vegas are done, and the percentages and math is done to figure which way each game should finish in order to benefit Vegas/NFL the most.

Before halftime is over, or into the 3rd quarter, a simple relay of information is then made to each game to the proper persons, revealing what needs to happen, and then bingo, there you have it...........:doh1 Would also explain how they could afford to pay the players the ridiculous amounts of money that they do, and how so many games shift so dramatically in the 2nd halves.


Far Fetched of course, but wouldn't be that hard to do.
My gosh what suckers we would be........lol
 
B

BowlMeOne

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Hache Man said:
I remember when I was a young kid, there was a large writeup in Playboy about how Professional Football was rigged......... Late 70's, early 80's I believe
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Hache.....just reading the articles ??


:+thumbs-2
 
Omni

Omni

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I do believe that some games are fixed. It's not the pros doing the fixing though...it's the most vulnerable target with the most opportunity to influence the game, the officials. They are paid, but not like the pros are. They have to travel all the time, but can't interact with the players on the road. They keep to themselves and othe officials mostly, they are disliked by many people, and vulnerable to the temptation of big money.
 
Rinkrat

Rinkrat

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It would seem to me that hoops in selected spots would be real easy to fix.

You're up 105-95 (yes, probably an NBA game in OT #3 ;)) and your guard is at the top of the 3 point arc with 15 seconds to go, dribbling the clock out. Everyone is just standing around. All of a sudden, he heaves up a bomb with 2 seconds to go and it's 108-95. The line was 12. It can be done.

The score and OT is wrong, but that is a real life example from a Knicks/Lakers game in Los Angeles a few seasons back.
 
Sound of Silence

Sound of Silence

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I'm sure fixes exist in college and pro sports, and I'm sure it would come more from the referees than anyone else. But who is to say that you aren't on the right side of the fix more times than the wrong side? Just because of that, its not something I worry about.

Also, consider this -- who is an easier payoff target - some NFL ref on Sunday or some small time conference referee? My guess is most people aren't even watching the games that are "fixed".
 
never enuff

never enuff

EOG Enthusiast
I think with todays Media it would be awful hard to hide fixes. People just cant keep their mouths shut these days.........
 
wantitall4moi

wantitall4moi

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Some teams try ,some teams don't EVERY coach and ALL alumni know the number.

The best teams are better at it because they can name their own nuimber. A lot easier in hoops, but it goes on in football as well. Poeple who don't think so are kidding themselves.
 
Jimmy Hoffa

Jimmy Hoffa

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Besides the moden NCAA and NBA products having become near unwatchable, the opportunity for fixing games is one component of my reason for neither wagering on or watching basketball.
 
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Sober Leprechaun

EOG Enthusiast
most of the smaller country european soccer leagues have had some fixed or pre-arranged results. italy and germany have had some problems in the past few years as well. most of the times it's an arrangement to help a team avoid relegation, reach a qualifier and such.
 
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opotus

EOG Veteran
Sober Leprechaun said:
most of the smaller country european soccer leagues have had some fixed or pre-arranged results. italy and germany have had some problems in the past few years as well. most of the times it's an arrangement to help a team avoid relegation, reach a qualifier and such.
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lots of gentlemen's agreements, for example, to end in a tie - or so they say

few years ago in Italy (late 90s), a young buck (reserve) came into a game late for Venice, didn't know any better, made a brilliant individual move to score a late goal to give Venice a 2-1 win - the kid allegedly took a lot of heat from one his own team's best players, who laid into him for scoring a goal - supposedly it was suppose to finish in a tie.

it was hard to know (or prove of course) if it was just one of those things that played out - meaning they were tied with little time remaining and that they decided/agreed to hold the tie - almost an unspoken agreement - or whether the match was truly fixed

investigated, so to speak (though doubt it was ever taken seriously) but nothing came of it
 
Books Worst Enemy

Books Worst Enemy

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I don't think players would intentionally play poorly in hopes of winning money on a spread...most of the time. Especially if the player thinks he might have a chance at the pros. Once they are in the pros, there simply is no room for a screw up. A screw up in the pros will be talked about in the press and on talk radio too much. With the small colleges, like the Sun Belt teams, yes...I think it makes a lot more sense. Those athletes know they have no hope of being drafted. Might as well make some cash with a shitty performance that no one is watching anyway.

However, in the larger college conferences and the pros, I think the likely target for fixing a game is the officiating crew. And if I were an official looking to throw a game, I know exactly where I would exploit the game...the inconspicuous offensive holding call on 1st or 2nd down. The networks almost never EVER go back to find the hold. When they do, a lot of times they can't even find it. Or they find it and often times the announcers will be like "WTF? Why was this flagged? This is how you play the game."

What percentage of the time will an offense pick up the first down after an offensive holding call? I would guess the number is very low.

If I had to guess, I would say the refs could have had money against Northwestern Saturday night when they played Michigan. I'm not accusing anyone of anything. But I will not rule out the possibility either. There was holding call after holding call against Northwestern until Michigan had a comfortable lead, as well as a "no call" on obvious pass interference that would have moved the sticks for NW but instead NW had to punt.

Little stuff like that would be so easy as an official. No body knows the names of the officials. They are totally under the radar. I can't name a single official in football...college or pro.

Later,
Books Worst Enemy
 
Books Worst Enemy

Books Worst Enemy

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I also noticed that some of the sportsbooks started using NFL logos on their pormotional materials and websites this year. In the past, all I remember seeing were nameless teams and logo-less helmets on all sportsbook stuff.

http://www.wagermillennium.com/

Kind of makes you wonder. But I'm sure it is meaningless.

Later,
Books Worst Enemy
 
rainbow

rainbow

EOG Master
Books Worst Enemy said:
I don't think players would intentionally play poorly in hopes of winning money on a spread...most of the time. Especially if the player thinks he might have a chance at the pros. Once they are in the pros, there simply is no room for a screw up. A screw up in the pros will be talked about in the press and on talk radio too much. With the small colleges, like the Sun Belt teams, yes...I think it makes a lot more sense. Those athletes know they have no hope of being drafted. Might as well make some cash with a shitty performance that no one is watching anyway.

However, in the larger college conferences and the pros, I think the likely target for fixing a game is the officiating crew. And if I were an official looking to throw a game, I know exactly where I would exploit the game...the inconspicuous offensive holding call on 1st or 2nd down. The networks almost never EVER go back to find the hold. When they do, a lot of times they can't even find it. Or they find it and often times the announcers will be like "WTF? Why was this flagged? This is how you play the game."

What percentage of the time will an offense pick up the first down after an offensive holding call? I would guess the number is very low.

If I had to guess, I would say the refs could have had money against Northwestern Saturday night when they played Michigan. I'm not accusing anyone of anything. But I will not rule out the possibility either. There was holding call after holding call against Northwestern until Michigan had a comfortable lead, as well as a "no call" on obvious pass interference that would have moved the sticks for NW but instead NW had to punt.

Little stuff like that would be so easy as an official. No body knows the names of the officials. They are totally under the radar. I can't name a single official in football...college or pro.

Later,
Books Worst Enemy
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YOU MADE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS.
 
Johnny Detroit

Johnny Detroit

EOG Senior Member
ESPN did a poll of college refs and a % ADMITTED they made decisions based off the pointspread. Think that is ONLY the ones admitting to it.

In regards to fixes, funny how certain books in this area would not take bets or had certain MAC CBB games circled last season.
 
BETenomics

BETenomics

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Johnny Detroit said:
ESPN did a poll of college refs and a % ADMITTED they made decisions based off the pointspread. Think that is ONLY the ones admitting to it.


In regards to fixes, funny how certain books in this area would not take bets or had certain MAC CBB games circled last season.
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TOLEDO

crooked fucks last cbb season
 
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