Blacklab statement

Blacklab

Blacklab

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Guys,been in this game for a long time.was a young 22 yr old punk when I got my shot at moving huge $$,and being part of a large organization.I've done some stupid things that I'm not proud of,and made many mistakes along the way.I was way too imature to have such a large responsibility put on me,and the whole offshore Biz was very new to myself and the people I worked for.


I just want to clear my name,and get everything out in the open here,as I really only wanted to help guys along the way,and have never ,ever scammed or taken advantage of anyone.


Russ(a.k.a sleeper hold) has been trying to smear my name for years now.all because I wouldn't help him out at his site,and formed a friendly chat years back in which he lost traffic because of.Since then he has made it his quest to put me down whenever possible.




few things I want cleared up.I take responsibility for what I write now.


have had bad episodes in the 7 years I've been in the game.let m e shed light.


Had a small partnership with a poster named moneyline at major wager.we were involved in setting up huge scalps,inwhich we would play sides and $$lines,have huge positions,scalp them back,and then settle the profits along the way.He had access to my accounts,as I did for his.


we had a disagreement over a mistake he made in closing a scalp which cost me 17k.I then didn't pay him $$ the next week through his account as I felt he still owed from his fuk up.we parted ways,still sharing info,but later he turned it on me.Was both our faults IMO.I helped him get a credit account with Skip at Delmar,and he used me.


Guys,this Biz is shadier than you can imagine.moneyline works with his brother,sledge,2 other posters as I will not divulge their names in creating many accounts and milking as much bonuses as possible.He has multiple accounts(fathers name,girlfriends name etc)they work from nextel 2 ways,and have a nice operation.He is one of the biggest frauds out there.posting what sides will move for his benefit.Moneyline,if you'd like I will share all your accounts with "JESS",and let each sportsbook know.I'm not a rat,and could care less.but don't bring me in your mess.We had a partnership in something,and it went bad.case closed.


#2-had a situation with Lenny at cascade.this is much more complicated as it involved the group I was with as well.Krackman can call me on this as he would understand better,but my bottom line is my account owed Lenny $$.again,I take responsibility for that.I was young,and got involved over my head.I have done my best to do the right thing there.I didn't run,and play at cascade now.

I speak with Lenny from day to day,and if he had a problem with me he would share it by phone or on messanger with me.



Finally is my most troubling incident,as it involved a friend.A poster named Compfan,who I truly respected and admired.The time I was moving tons of $$ and having huge success,compfan and I became friends.He flew me out to vegas,invited me to hawaii.he was truly a great guy.he respected the fact that I tried to help him out.I gave him huge bonuses(referal) and made plays,scalps,middles for him every day.at first we could do no wrong.winning huge $$.Then I got carried away doing 10 million things too many and got sloppy with him.we ended up losing $$,and I felt so bad I didn't accompany him to Hawaii(a trip in which he paid for me)he must have lost big $$ from that trip,and I can't apologize enough.It is one thing to fuk up with scum like Moneyline,but it is another thing to ruin a friendship with one of the nicest men you will ever meet (compfan).he truly did no wrong other than getting a bit greedy when things were good.My fault 110%.He is an angel amoung scum in this biz




Other than that,if I truly wanted to go tout when people said,it would have been easy.I had 40 guys a night in my chat who were waiting for any play I had to give.any don best info,and middle or scalp.I did it to help who I could.Other than the 3 instances I posted ,have not had a bad experience other than losing close to 500 k with sportsmarket,nab,aces,alladins,goliath etc)


I have given guys I have never met huge referal bonuses (500 $ normal),have let guys use 1 of my don best screens whenever I could.and have tried to help when I could.I have never gone tout,and never asked for a cent in return.I have made mane friends,and the eneies I have are guys who read bullshit off the net and are easily influenced.


you can ask anyone.Ev en ask Stevo at MW.he is Russ' right hand man,yet I have many PM's from him stating he has nothing against me,and that Russ has a personal vendetta against me.He's ordered to ban any poster being me or from my IP.Then slams me there with myself not being able to respond.


Russ is truly a coward in this Biz.Has stolen from many,even his so called friends.I won't start a war.just want to clear my name.



Again,if I've offended anyone I'm sorry.This is a crazy biz when you're deep into it guys.not the recreational part,but the part of having 50k descisions on games.etc.


feels good to have a site where I can air what I've wanted to for awhile.Hope people can just accept me as a poster.nothing more nothing less.I've made my mistakes,but am willing to own up to them and try to fix them.


I give $$ to charity,to other posters who help out(think I gave therecordkeeper 400$ for keeping track of plays at RX)but not sure.Give out bonuses all the time.Is that someone cheep?scammer?I haven't hid.I still post with my handle.



anyways,my rant is over.anyone with any questions please PM or email me.


Krackman,please give me a buzz.wanna ask u something.thanks in advance
 
Blacklab

Blacklab

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all I can do is be the best person I can be from this day forward,and do my best.I will keep trying to help those I can.This biz isn't all scum.there are some great guys in it,and many are here at this site.all the best today guys



Saskatchewan -3-117.lol:+drinks-4
 
Spreadbeater

Spreadbeater

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Blacklab said:
posting europeen hockey.ask inspades.he's tracking him

how do the heat look?hope all is well
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Heat have looked like shit, but it is only preseason. With so many new faces on the team, Payton, Walker, Posey, Kapono, J Williams, they will need time to gel. They should be alright. Perimeter shooting and FT shooting is a concern. I look for them to win 55-60 games and be the number 1 seed in the East. I like them and the Pacers to play in the Eastern Finals.
 
Blacklab

Blacklab

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Pancho.10x worse than Sick Gambler ever was


the thing he has going with his brother,sledge etc is unreal.He's making huge$$.started from nothing and has made a huge living.I know the whole story.


He wasn't a bad guy in the beginning.huge bonus whore though.I used to have to transfer $$ to one of 6 oly accounts.His girlfriends normally.he had 2 sharp accounts and a few square ones.really a well run operation.that dose't make it right though.
 
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Joe

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Air your dirty laundry and you make it open season for questions.

I happen to have one -

Back when you were a regular at MW - Rumor had it that you owed a couple of dozen regular posters from MW quite a bit of money. Other than the ones you named and the situations you detailed, are there any other posters that you owe money to?
 
Sam Odom

Sam Odom

EOG Master
blacklab, if this were a true mea culpa you would not be bringing anyone elses name into it muchless commenting of other people faults. If you want to come clean and make good just do it!! It appears you still have some growing up to do.

Good luck on your new life. I wish you the best and I'm happy to see you posting.:+thumbs-2
 
K

Krackman

EOG Senior Member
Blacklab I dont know who you are and NEVER had any dealings with you. I was made aware that you have screwed some people over which you have admitted in this thread. Hopefully you square up with them. I dont know why I am even being mentioned in your posts other then the fact I asked you once why you screwed over some good people.

I dont know why posters would trust other posters with betting accounts. Amazing shit here!
 
Blacklab

Blacklab

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Joe said:
Air your dirty laundry and you make it open season for questions.

I happen to have one -

Back when you were a regular at MW - Rumor had it that you owed a couple of dozen regular posters from MW quite a bit of money. Other than the ones you named and the situations you detailed, are there any other posters that you owe money to?
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Joe.Nobody at all.I have said all that has happened.

Sam,sorry if I used $$line's name.It's hard when guys accuse you, and other site owners ban you from responding.very hard to read the shit posted and not be able to respond.


Joe,nobody ever gave me any $$.point blank.I was the one lending out $$.No worries.other than the 3 mistakes I have posted,there is not 1 single thing that I really regret.Nobody has ever givin me a cent.I shared an account with 1 guy.that's it.everything else I have aired is 100% true.


Believe me Joe,I could have had many chances to turn tout,or stop posting and ask for $$ for plays.It's never happened.I'm at peace with myself.Have grown up,and am happy with where I am
 
Blacklab

Blacklab

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Krackman said:
Read Rainbows thread about rep NUFF SAID!
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Krack,don't know how old you are or if you have any faults.I was young,and I do have faults.have I ever gone out of my way to deceive or hurt someone else ?NO!!

People who know me respect the shit out of me.Guys who read rumours on the net and who don't know me can form any opinion they want.I'd love to keep posting,but 5 years removed from thje facts,don't want to continually answer bullshit all day long.too busy for it
 
Omni

Omni

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I don't know about any of the other stuff that went on, as I'm just a simple bettor and not some big time player. But I do remember the chats fondly. It was great to have some other guys around that you could quickly run your bets by, and many people trying to help each other out.
 
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kosar

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Blacklab said:
Compfan,who I truly respected and admired.The time I was moving tons of $$ and having huge success,compfan and I became friends.He flew me out to vegas,invited me to hawaii.he was truly a great guy.he respected the fact that I tried to help him out.I gave him huge bonuses(referal) and made plays,scalps,middles for him every day.at first we could do no wrong.winning huge $$.****Then I got carried away doing 10 million things too many and got sloppy with him.****
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No, you didn't 'get sloppy.' You had an arrangement with compfan and chose not to pay what you owed after your plays tanked. That's called being a stiff.

Then again, compfan turned out to be a stiff not long after, although not for as much as the 11 or so dimes that you owe him.

Gotta love this business and the forums. :doh1
 
J

JJGOLD

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I rememeber Black Lab Chat, it was fukkin unreal. Labby was on fire and we all started going into this msn chat at night before games.

Lab just keep posting plays and gambling threads as you are one poster win or lose that created interest in your posts.

Krackman call me, serioulsy I can make you money in the NBA. All I want is access to your pinny account and you can look at it all day so no foul play by me.

Here is the kicker...all I want is 5% of the winnings transfered into my pinny account every Sunday Night by 11:00PM EST

Call Me

Thanks Krack
 
Blacklab

Blacklab

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Kosar.First off,you have really no idea what you are talking about.especially comming up with figures.as for being a stiff,comp was a big boy,and we had no agreement on anything.as for him being a stiff,I highly doubt it.He's a great guy.


Like I said,it was a bad situation,but don't tell me you know about it.Unless you were there,you have no clue.The rumors have gone around so much I've heard so much broken telephone garbage it's crazy.again,email me,I'll be happy to talk or email you back.But honestly,your last statement couldn't be further from the truth.




Omni,the chats were a blast.Don't think people who weren't there really understand what they were about.There was no soliciting,just guys helping other guys.it was great.


Omni,we used to speak often,both in chat and out.Have I ever even asked you for a single thing?I'm sure back then I even gave you a bonus or 2 and let you use my screen.not sure,but I did it often.it was a fun time
 
Blacklab

Blacklab

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kosar,your statement still bothers me.couldn't be further from the truth.I helped CF out.we were friends.I didn't ask for a cent.I gave him bonuses when I could.He in turn flew me to vegas and offered Hawaii as a thank you.That's the relationship we had.Not gonna post emails,but we had no agreement,we were friends.things got fuked and the rest is history.really regret that the most.But don't come here with 11k stories.


that's a product of broken telephone.Russ tells Minnow,she tells clevfan,she tells the world.whatever the case,but that is 100% false
 
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kosar

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Fact- You f*cked over Comp Fan for no less than 11 dimes.

Fact- Compfan f*cked over others for an amount less than that, but not much less.

Why do you think he disappeared from the forums 2 years ago or so? He's a stiff, just like you.
 
Blacklab

Blacklab

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Kosar.again,you have no clue.

It's like me judging you for your association with SBank.I have no clue about anything other than rumors,and I don't believe any.how can anyone owe anybody anything.I put plays in,they lost.there was no arangements.He took a shot.What deal did you think I had with him?

I've had deals before where guys have offered me a % if I gave them plays first.But Comp was just a friend.really don't know what your source is,but if you want,I will share emails from him to me,stating anything but what you say.


I still can't believe he stiffed anyone,but after me not going to Hawaii with him and his wife,we haven't been in contact.Kosar,he is a great man.I can't see him stiffing a soul.


As for me and him,it was just a bad situation.Sorry it happened,but again,where you get figures from is beyond me.Know he disapeared from the boards,but had no idea it was from what you say.

Again Kosar,you don't know me and have no idea of the situation.If you sent me $$ and I ran off with it that's a diffrent story.Cut and dry.Charlie Therwangeresque.

But for you to comment on this is crazy.Believe me Kosar,dead wrong here.$$ was lost,and comp did lose some,but no monnies are owed from me to him.That's just the plain facts.amail me if you want those emails stating exactly what I say.


If what you say about him is true,it's news to me.again,just a shitty situation.I was a young kid trying to do too much,and he was a guy looking for a quick score.

It was a high risk high reward thing Kosar.We are big men.It's like you giving me access to your acounts and asking me to put in plays when I could.Find scalps if I could.Find value if I could.Middles ...etc.

long story short,it didn't work out.owing money though is rediculous.
 
kidslick

kidslick

EOG Dedicated
ok
blacklab question for ya

in your opinion what % of posters starts a thread about a team that they really like ,they love this game, BUT in reality they play the other selection for there own benefit


i am sure there are many newbies that come to the forum see threads like this and they hammer a game without handicapping it only to lose.

:doh1 :doh1


i'm sure the newbies can only benefit from this

tony27
 
IDENTITY

IDENTITY

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blacklab - isnt it true that u are steammaker? can u please just admit that one? maybe THE GENERAL can clear ur name by telling us if u were using the same IP address as steammaker when THE GENERAL was a mod at the RX.

as for all the other stuff, its good to hear u r admitting ur mistakes, sir.
 
dirty

dirty

EOG Master
you can change your IP bygoing to C prompt on your Computer and typing in IPconfig....not that easy to do


Also.....Most Hosts for your computer change your IP every few times you log in if you have dial up...and every couple months if you have Broadband
 
kidslick

kidslick

EOG Dedicated
dirty said:
you can change your IP bygoing to C prompt on your Computer and typing in IPconfig....not that easy to do


Also.....Most Hosts for your computer change your IP every few times you log in if you have dial up...and every couple months if you have Broadband
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dirty a friend of mine is gonna upgrade my computer tower. he told me he is gonna mask my ip ,meaning you will not be able to see my ip address
(thats not the reason why is upgrading the computer)

is this possible
 
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Pancho Sanza

EOG Addicted
I remember the compfan incident.

So he really was a stiff? And a bonus scammer too.

Some told me he was the one who got stiffed and thats why he left Majors forum.

Unreal, these guys all seem like decent people and it turns out they're nothing but friggin deadbeats.:hung
 
HI McDonough

HI McDonough

Banned
Lab, keep up the great work.

He who is without sin cast the first stone. I can't remember who said that - it was either Ken Wietzner or Jesus Christ.

This is NOT a Bible study class. Its a gambling forum that is full of two types of folks - pros that have some skeletons or very young wannabees.

Lab, I think there was something about Compy stiffing Securebuxx - something about postdated checks. Although, I wouldn't believe it until I see it with my own eyes.

Good write-up Lab. Can't we all just get along??? I can't remember who said that either - Wietzner, Jesus Christ or Rodney King.
 
Blacklab

Blacklab

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HI McDonough said:
Lab, keep up the great work.

He who is without sin cast the first stone. I can't remember who said that - it was either Ken Wietzner or Jesus Christ.

This is NOT a Bible study class. Its a gambling forum that is full of two types of folks - pros that have some skeletons or very young wannabees.

Lab, I think there was something about Compy stiffing Securebuxx - something about postdated checks. Although, I wouldn't believe it until I see it with my own eyes.

Good write-up Lab. Can't we all just get along??? I can't remember who said that either - Wietzner, Jesus Christ or Rodney King.
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great statement HI.thanks again



with the Compfan securebuxx thing,I do remember that incident.But Anthony was just as much to blame I think.They both had a thing going where Anthony would give cfan credit,and anthony would make a % on all the deposits.was a nice little thing.But again,that's just 2 guys getting greedy.Can't blame anyone there.They took a shot.nobody should owe anyone there.



It's like me playing into sportsmarket.Taking shots for a year on Charlie's #'s.I made a killing while it was good.I shouldn't cry that I lost 6 figures there,because all the sharps were feasting.

Although I still to this day will whine a bit about it.


again,Compfan and his wife were both great people to me and my girlfriend.To think I owe him is crazy.I regret the situation,but nobody owes anyone anything.Other than me owing him an apology over not going to Hawaii.


thanks again Hi:+thumbs-2
 
Blacklab

Blacklab

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Pancho Sanza said:
I remember the compfan incident.

So he really was a stiff? And a bonus scammer too.

Some told me he was the one who got stiffed and thats why he left Majors forum.

Unreal, these guys all seem like decent people and it turns out they're nothing but friggin deadbeats.:hung
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Pancho,he's a good guy,as am I.I invite you down the 401 to montreal,and I will treat you to a steak and a hab game.let me know,you seem decent
 
R

RPM

EOG Veteran
lab,

just stick to doing the right thing, and dont worry about what people say. from the looks of your post here, i would say you're off to a good start....
 
kidslick

kidslick

EOG Dedicated
tony27 said:
ok
blacklab question for ya

in your opinion what % of posters starts a thread about a team that they really like ,they love this game, BUT in reality they play the other selection for there own benefit


i am sure there are many newbies that come to the forum see threads like this and they hammer a game without handicapping it only to lose.

:doh1 :doh1


i'm sure the newbies can only benefit from this

tony27
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blacklab ???? can you answer this
 
Blacklab

Blacklab

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Tough to say Tony.

What you might see is respected posters who "really " like a side.They post it to push that side,yet will hope for line movement to either

A.buyback
B.Middle
c.scalp it all

D-all



I've posted I love a team in the past.

let's say celtics overnight -1.Really love the play.I put 5 units on it.Now,let's say I'm on a hot run,books and posters respect the play and play it blindly,thus perhaps creating some steam,making the # 4.(hypothetically)

I may come back and buy the other team ML,middle the game,or middle some and stay heavy.



I've done that many times.I usually take huge leads(positions)in NBA totals.and then buyback a large chunk depending on how strong the play is to me.



But to answer personally,have I ever posted "I LOVE A GAME" and really have the other side,I can't pisture me ever doing or wanting to do that.Makes no sense to me.



sorry buddy,really can't give you an accurate %% of guys who do that.


I see what you mean though.a poster saying they love a side to create buzz and then really grab the other side with better value.?Let me know if that's what you meant.


hope that answer helped a bit
 
kidslick

kidslick

EOG Dedicated
thanks for the reply

i do feel people,do this at times so they get the best number.

does steammaker still post next door. i have not seen him post in a long time

if you chat with him , tell him kidslick say's hi:+drinks-4
 
N

naz

EOG Member
Hope all is well lab. I have been spending too much time in the south, kinda miss all this b.s. take care man
 
H

hgmw

EOG Member
I'm not as much of an insider as I once was in forum politics simply because I don't really have time or the inclination to give a shit anymore but I certainly have intimate knowledge of what has transpired in the past with the "characters" that lab has mentioned in this thread.

I don't really feel like getting into the moneyline, compfan, sledge crap because I really don't care to waste my time with them.

However, this perpetual "Russ is out to get me" line is getting old don't you think Lab? I've spent quite a bit of time getting to know you and Russ over the years along with a few others posters and I think that you'd agree that I have the ability to separate fact from fiction.

Without getting into a bunch of stuff that really doesn't need to be said you, Russ and a most of the posters with brains at MW know exactly why Russ did what he did. He didn't try to smear you because of your claim that you took traffic away from MW with those chats. He knew exactly what you would do to a lot of naive posters at MW, some of whom he considered his friends.

He talked to these people firsthand and heard stories from many others. The bottom line is that 99% of the guys who were your chat disciples lost their asses playing your picks. I'm not necessarily blaming you for that because (a) I know that you're a decent capper when you want to be and (b) I blame the idiots 100% for blindly following you when they were warned exactly what was going to happen. But then you'd hit those hot streaks and they'd all jump on board and then all hell would break loose again when one of your all too frequent cold streaks would hit.

I know that you mean well. I know that you wanted to be able to make a lot of people a lot of money. I know that you aren;t like a lot of others guys who are just out to scam, even though Russ may not agree with me on that. I know that deep down you're probably a guy that means well. However, I also am quite familiar with guys who have your personality type. Bottom line is that a lot of gamblers will fall prey to guys like you. You may mean well but anyone who follows you and I do mean 100% of people will lose their asses even if you don't. You, me and a lot of other people know exactly what I mean by that. Russ, was simply trying to figure out a way to prevent that from happening to some of the guys that he considered his inet friends knwoing full well the damage that you would cause them.

You dislike him far more than he dislikes you. It's far more personal to you than it is to him. He wanted to protect people and he knew that any actions that he took would probably be in vain.

We has a lot of fun back then on MW with the NABS of the world- it was a joke back then and little work was needed to make serious money. However, I knew the train wreck that was about to happen and so did Russ. He was somewhat powerless to stop it because losing gamblers always want to chase and you have always been a chasers dream with your hot and cold streaks. But to put all of this crap on Russ that he has some huge vendetta against you is preposterous. Sure he doesn't like you but he's not out to get you - you got yourself. To come out and say that you're not a scammer or a snitch and then post all this stuff about ML and sledge and your dealings with compfan and stiff/slowpays with numerous books...I mean are you blaming that on Russ too? You're either a stiff or you're not, a snitch or you're not but don't come out and say that you're not and that it's all Russ' fault when you've provided substantial evidence in the past that the fault lies with you and you only. You participated with these clowns knowing full well the type of people they were. When you profited from it all was great but then when things went south all of the sudden they're the bad guys???

Please. Either stand up like you say that you want to and say I've screwed up many times in the past and I want to clean up my act or continue to say I'm clean and these are the bad guys even though you say that you're not a snitch.

Hope that all is well-HG
 
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