Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

Jeff Haney

EOG Addicted
I agree that "California Split" is the best gambling movie and that it's not really close.

Here's a story I wrote based on an interview with Joseph Walsh, the screenwriter of "California Split," in 2008:

http://www.sophisticatedmaniac.com/2008/07/nobody-writes-gambling-as-well-as.html

He talks about how he had to battle studio executives, who wanted to dumb down the movie for mass appeal.

Key quote from Walsh from the article: ?I was writing for all the gamblers of the world, people who are going to turn out and watch the movie and say, ?Oh, God, this man is in our heart and soul.? ?

I also agree with AB on "Into the Wild." That's in my top three books of all-time.

The crime novelist he mentioned, James Crumley, had more of a cult following than mass-market success. Here's the NY Times obit on him:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/books/20crumley.html?scp=1&sq=crumley&st=cse

For what it's worth I don't share AB's enthusiasm for "Donnie Darko." Just not my thing.
 

mofome

Banned
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

Jeff Haney is my heart and Soul.

Boston was entertaining again today; he is a unique individual. I don't think he knows how lucrative some of these contests are that Fezzik has won; that doesn't take away from the entertainment though. In fact, it may add to it.

The gambling Will Hunting. A tough exterior hiding the beautiful mind behind the man.
 

newport2

EOG Dedicated
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

"California Split." Are you kidding. Try "The Gambler"--- James Caan(1974)
 
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

Jeff,

I did not agree with his comments regarding FEZZIK...

The man wins hundreds of thousands of dollars in consecutive years and that's not meaningul?

He also wins at sports betting which Alan Boston forgot to mention...

Your thoughts since you live in Vegas?

Thanks,

THE SHRINK
 

Jeff Haney

EOG Addicted
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

I did not agree with his comments regarding FEZZIK...

The man wins hundreds of thousands of dollars in consecutive years and that's not meaningul?

He also wins at sports betting which Alan Boston forgot to mention...

Your thoughts since you live in Vegas?
I also disagree with Alan's comments on Fezzik.

I never thought I would see anybody win the Hilton contest two years in a row. That's more than just meaningful; it's a great accomplishment.

To his credit Alan often levels his biting criticism at targets that richly deserve it:

-- Politicians.

-- Touts hawking worthless sports picks in exchange for credit card numbers. ("Hey, I'm a documented 3-1 in my last four! 75 percent!")

-- Casino executives who know next to nothing about sports betting or even the rudiments of gambling.

-- The stuffed-shirt, empty-headed sports commentators that are all over TV.

And so on.

But he is misguided when he launches verbal bombs at Fezzik.
 

railbird

EOG Master
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

I agree with Alan's assesment of Fezzik. Betting Saturday morning into a Tuesday line that is 100 hrs old does not make Fezzik sharp. Fezzik does not have original thought.
 

Jeff Haney

EOG Addicted
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

I'm completely serious when I say Alan would be an excellent college basketball analyst on ESPN.

The great majority of sports commentating on TV runs the gamut ... from vapid to useless to annoying.

He is one of a very few I would go out of my way to tune in.
 

ProfaneReality

EOG Dedicated
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

ESPN would never allow him to bash the big schools, and Boston has too much integrity to be a puppet.
 

munson15

I want winners...
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

I loved "Rounders" but I may have to look up "California Split." Thanks, as always, Jeff, for your perspective. Yours is an interesting point of view.
 

Meyer

EOG Addicted
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

In Fezzik's defense if winning the Hilton twice was as easy as betting stale numbers why doesn't Boston make a quick few hundred thousand and do the same thing. I do think Fezzik sometimes criticizes someone when he shouldn't but i have gained alot of respect for him and what he accomplished no one will do again. I respect a man who works very hard at what he does and whether it is his original thoughts or not, he still has to evaluate, dissect, and decipher all the thoughts and ultimately make the final decision. Lately, i have spent alot of time in Vegas and i know they RESPECT him very much. Alan Boston was classless in what he said and i don't respect someone who calls someone out on radio instead of saying it to his face. So yes, i am defending Fezzik. You can make light all you want on the hilton twice and Leroy's once but i bet no one on this forum would take his bets if they were a book.
 

IrishTim

EOG Dedicated
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

I also agree with AB on "Into the Wild." That's in my top three books of all-time.

Did he mention "Into the Wild"? I wrote a paper comparing the type of "wilderness man" in Krakauer's book and Junger's "The Perfect Storm" last semester.

I'm going to have to listen to this one.
 
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

In Fezzik's defense if winning the Hilton twice was as easy as betting stale numbers why doesn't Boston make a quick few hundred thousand and do the same thing. I do think Fezzik sometimes criticizes someone when he shouldn't but i have gained alot of respect for him and what he accomplished no one will do again. I respect a man who works very hard at what he does and whether it is his original thoughts or not, he still has to evaluate, dissect, and decipher all the thoughts and ultimately make the final decision. Lately, i have spent alot of time in Vegas and i know they RESPECT him very much. Alan Boston was classless in what he said and i don't respect someone who calls someone out on radio instead of saying it to his face. So yes, i am defending Fezzik. You can make light all you want on the hilton twice and Leroy's once but i bet no one on this forum would take his bets if they were a book.

Considering the checkered history between you and Fezzik, I find this post to be one of the best ones you have ever made on EOG...

This shows a lot of CLASS and I agree with everything you stated so eloquently...12io4j2w90

THE SHRINK
 

Jeff Haney

EOG Addicted
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

I keep thinking of when Muhammad Ali lit the Olympic flame in Atlanta, and Joe Frazier's comment on it.

Most people in Frazier's position would just say something generic for the public record, like "We've had our differences but we sure put on some great fights for the fans so many years ago ..." etc., etc.

Instead, Frazier couldn't help himself and said he wished he could have been up there to push Ali into the flaming cauldron. Bad blood!
 

munson15

I want winners...
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

I keep thinking of when Muhammad Ali lit the Olympic flame in Atlanta, and Joe Frazier's comment on it.

Most people in Frazier's position would just say something generic for the public record, like "We've had our differences but we sure put on some great fights for the fans so many years ago ..." etc., etc.

Instead, Frazier couldn't help himself and said he wished he could have been up there to push Ali into the flaming cauldron. Bad blood!
I think even the ones who say something nice are thinking like Frazier.:+textinb3
 

Mr. NBA

EOG Dedicated
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

You guys act like this is out of character for Alan:+textinb3.
 

chalk picks

EOG Enthusiast
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

What was he(AB) talking about any way? This guy is a few cans short of a six pack!:shoot:
 
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

I agree with Alan's assesment of Fezzik. Betting Saturday morning into a Tuesday line that is 100 hrs old does not make Fezzik sharp. Fezzik does not have original thought.

Who gives a shit about original thought? Come on this is just plain stupid, people who do something for a living shouldn't care about who is the most talented. There is far too much to do as it is to worry about what everyone else is doing.
 

Heim

EOG Master
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

In Fezzik's defense if winning the Hilton twice was as easy as betting stale numbers why doesn't Boston make a quick few hundred thousand and do the same thing. I do think Fezzik sometimes criticizes someone when he shouldn't but i have gained alot of respect for him and what he accomplished no one will do again. I respect a man who works very hard at what he does and whether it is his original thoughts or not, he still has to evaluate, dissect, and decipher all the thoughts and ultimately make the final decision. Lately, i have spent alot of time in Vegas and i know they RESPECT him very much. Alan Boston was classless in what he said and i don't respect someone who calls someone out on radio instead of saying it to his face. So yes, i am defending Fezzik. You can make light all you want on the hilton twice and Leroy's once but i bet no one on this forum would take his bets if they were a book.


You don't know the history Meyer.

Do you know that Boston paid $20,000 one night at Wynn's steak
house for all comers from Fezzik's forum including Fezzik himself.

He's done a lot of nice things for many that go unpublicized unlike
Steve. I wonder how you would react if you got invited on a forum,
accompanied with a tremendous intro from the forum host and then
have the same host tell his elite poster base that you're washed up
and not to bet your plays within a few months.

I think you'd carry a little ill will too.....
 
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

You don't know the history Meyer.

Do you know that Boston paid $20,000 one night at Wynn's steak
house for all comers from Fezzik's forum including Fezzik himself.

He's done a lot of nice things for many that go unpublicized unlike
Steve. I wonder how you would react if you got invited on a forum,
accompanied with a tremendous intro from the forum host and then
have the same host tell his elite poster base that you're washed up
and not to bet your plays within a few months.

I think you'd carry a little ill will too.....

While Alan may have done nice things for the forum, it doesn't give him the right to attack FEZZIK'S accomplishments over the past couple of years...

Boston made it sound like winning back to back Hikton contests was no big deal, but imho, that is a record that nobody will accomplish again in my lifetime...

If he has a gripe with FEZZIK, then be a man and deal with it in person...

Dissing him on the air was classless even though it was entertaining and made for good radio...

THE SHRINK
 

Fezzik

EOG Veteran
Clarifying the Record

Clarifying the Record

The Boston/Fezzik fued all started back on the Stardust line when he of the great original thought told all to play NE -7 vs. Carolina (line had been -6.5 for 4 days, but had moved to 7). He predicted 44-0 final. Then 51-0 final. I pointed out this was terrible advice, every sharp with 1/2 a brain was playing NE -215 ML as they knew this was a far, far superior bet, and they were capitalizing on the donkey tourists who always bet some on the SB dog ML.....back then it was ridiculous how cheap the fav MLs were.

Long story short, NE wins by 3. Boston literally GOES NUTS, how dare I question him, every thing he says is real and true and straight from the heart). I guess I and others just lie cheat and steal...... maybe I didn't originate that ML thought, but I and every sharp I know knew about it, don't know why Boston didn't get the memo......maybe if he knew how to bet the NFL (or had any contacts) he wouldn't have led his followers off the cliff.

Fast forward to Fezziksplace.com. Boston posts some very good plays, and doing well. Buys dinner for a whole bunch of people. Very nice. Very generous.

Then, the disturbing stuff happens. His plays the next year don't do well.........and worse yet the market is pissing all over them, he is giving out games -3 that are closing -2.5 in some cases, etc. (this wasn't happening the year before). I get emails from not 1 but 3 sharps saying "YOU AREN'T BETTING THIS STUFF ARE YOU??"

I have had runins with some of the best, and some of the not so good over the years. The one thing that everyone can always say about me is that I can be an ass, but I have morals, integrity and honesty. I truly believe Alan was doing his best, I posted as such, but he just didn't have it. I posted on the board, warning all to not follow anyone, including Alan blindly, and Yes I singled him out.......saying ONLY bet his games if you yourself liked them. Pretty sage advice actually, considering Mr. Boston himself will admit to him struggling from that point forward in his own betting.

Yet, rightious indignation from good Ole Alan. HOW DARE I post that, and 'start a fight'.

I do feel strongly Alan has always just wanted to follow the games, do the right thing, help people, and give out winning advice. He is good for the industry.

But he suffers from a common flaw, he thinks his way is the 'right' way, and any else is wrong. As frankB has said, we keep score in 1 way in this industry and that is with our Wallets. If he thinks I don't have originatal ways to win (unkown to others) I suggest he go talk to Joe Lupo, Vic Salerno, or about a dozen guys.

What is funny is Alan knows Jimmy Vaccarro pretty well, a guy who is VERY well connected. Jimmy set up a match with me vs. Nick Bogdonovich in 2006, 50k, we wach put u 25k.

When the dust settled, playing vs. market lines, Nick hit 61%........not good enough, as I hit 63%. Since then, I think Jimmy would be the 1st to say, I have game he was unaware of.

Bottom line, I will write a book one day, but I have stories back in the 1990s and some things this 'non originator' did to books...........hint ...........there is a reason Baldini's and Ascuaga and a few other places don't have their own books anymore.
sports books..........
 

Heim

EOG Master
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

Good news: Fezzik wins another Hilton

Bad news: Fezzik posts 48% winners on his forum down
30 units

Good news: Fezzik recommends -215 ML on NE in SB which
wins.

Bad news: Few years fast forward...Fezzik recommends -400
on NE in SB. NE a -12.5 point favorite loses outright.


Unfortunately the mainstream media and recreational bettors
only see the sunny side....

Go to some of the sharp spin off forums and see what they
think of Fezzik the revered gambler.

Even Boston at his worst moves the market more than Fezzik
at his best......fact.
 

mofome

Banned
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

I dont think Boston was classless, he answered a question honestly. He didn't bring the topic up and he said it wasn't personal. I think that's an unfair way to characterize what he said today.

He doesn't seem to realize exactly what winning those contests has earned Steve, but he had a question thrown his way and answered it candidly.

He went on to say that he doesn't know Steve personally; that was just his opinion of him as a capper and he even cited it all coming back to something forum related.

While I think its pretty obvious that Steve is an extremely talented person, and I think that Alan is naive to all that Fezz has accomplished, I didn't think he went off as much as some had expected. Alan is Alan and Ive come away more impressed by him than I thought I would.

As for all of this about original thought, I don't know either of them well enough to know if they've ever had a completely original finding/idea/expression, and while I value original thinking tremendously, I think perfecting someone elses idea is something just as valuable. Cultivating existing considerations is a talent in and of itself.

There are few things that I can say about either guy with much certainty, but what Fezzik did, in repeating as Hilton champion, is the most impressive thing I have ever seen or heard of within the realm of handicapping.
 

bernardoincr

EOG Dedicated
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

meyer- not sure i understand. you can pick stale numbers in contests
but you cannot get down on these numbers . big difference, yes? i followed
the picks ath the hilton contest every sat night, and most of the top contestants
all did the same thing--pick games where numbers moved during the week. i
would have to buy like my ex-wife to match their numbers, and eventually
their success.
anyway i am a believer in the old cliche, if you can't say something nice about someone
don't say it. i think forums exist in part for trash talk...i hate it....
your post was positive, and that was good to see . peace to you sir.
 

Ace

EOG Veteran
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

While Alan may have done nice things for the forum, it doesn't give him the right to attack FEZZIK'S accomplishments over the past couple of years...

Boston made it sound like winning back to back Hikton contests was no big deal, but imho, that is a record that nobody will accomplish again in my lifetime...

If he has a gripe with FEZZIK, then be a man and deal with it in person...

Dissing him on the air was classless even though it was entertaining and made for good radio...

THE SHRINK
Classless----i'm a firm believer that if you don't want or may not like the answer then don't ask the question----you knew that here was bad blood between these two (as with post #49 on alan boston part 2---here comes the bomb question) and yet you asked the question anyway, you got good radio but to call him classless that's just wrong
 
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

I also disagree with Alan's comments on Fezzik.

I never thought I would see anybody win the Hilton contest two years in a row. That's more than just meaningful; it's a great accomplishment.

Jeff - we all have heard Scamdicapper EXTRAORDINAIRE Jeff Allen claim he won the Hilton in B2B years something we all know is full of............

Now that Kornegay has said it is the first time EVER anyone has done this it damages what Allen is saying (to the shock of NO ONE). Do you know what years Allen "won" the Hilton because looking at his Bio it doesn't say and I know it doesn't say because he never won it - just paid the winner after the fact to say he was a part of it when really he had nothing to do wth it. But what years did this blowhard "win" the Hilton in B2B years - something Jeff Allen has never publicly stated
 

High Times

EOG Master
Re: Clarifying the Record

Re: Clarifying the Record

The Boston/Fezzik fued all started back on the Stardust line when he of the great original thought told all to play NE -7 vs. Carolina (line had been -6.5 for 4 days, but had moved to 7). He predicted 44-0 final. Then 51-0 final. I pointed out this was terrible advice, every sharp with 1/2 a brain was playing NE -215 ML as they knew this was a far, far superior bet, and they were capitalizing on the donkey tourists who always bet some on the SB dog ML.....back then it was ridiculous how cheap the fav MLs were.

Long story short, NE wins by 3. Boston literally GOES NUTS, how dare I question him, every thing he says is real and true and straight from the heart). I guess I and others just lie cheat and steal...... maybe I didn't originate that ML thought, but I and every sharp I know knew about it, don't know why Boston didn't get the memo......maybe if he knew how to bet the NFL (or had any contacts) he wouldn't have led his followers off the cliff.

Fast forward to Fezziksplace.com. Boston posts some very good plays, and doing well. Buys dinner for a whole bunch of people. Very nice. Very generous.

Then, the disturbing stuff happens. His plays the next year don't do well.........and worse yet the market is pissing all over them, he is giving out games -3 that are closing -2.5 in some cases, etc. (this wasn't happening the year before). I get emails from not 1 but 3 sharps saying "YOU AREN'T BETTING THIS STUFF ARE YOU??"

I have had runins with some of the best, and some of the not so good over the years. The one thing that everyone can always say about me is that I can be an ass, but I have morals, integrity and honesty. I truly believe Alan was doing his best, I posted as such, but he just didn't have it. I posted on the board, warning all to not follow anyone, including Alan blindly, and Yes I singled him out.......saying ONLY bet his games if you yourself liked them. Pretty sage advice actually, considering Mr. Boston himself will admit to him struggling from that point forward in his own betting.

Yet, rightious indignation from good Ole Alan. HOW DARE I post that, and 'start a fight'.

I do feel strongly Alan has always just wanted to follow the games, do the right thing, help people, and give out winning advice. He is good for the industry.

But he suffers from a common flaw, he thinks his way is the 'right' way, and any else is wrong. As frankB has said, we keep score in 1 way in this industry and that is with our Wallets. If he thinks I don't have originatal ways to win (unkown to others) I suggest he go talk to Joe Lupo, Vic Salerno, or about a dozen guys.

What is funny is Alan knows Jimmy Vaccarro pretty well, a guy who is VERY well connected. Jimmy set up a match with me vs. Nick Bogdonovich in 2006, 50k, we wach put u 25k.

When the dust settled, playing vs. market lines, Nick hit 61%........not good enough, as I hit 63%. Since then, I think Jimmy would be the 1st to say, I have game he was unaware of.

Bottom line, I will write a book one day, but I have stories back in the 1990s and some things this 'non originator' did to books...........hint ...........there is a reason Baldini's and Ascuaga and a few other places don't have their own books anymore.
sports books..........

The Hilton contest is for Touts

You are not better than Alan Boston on your best day!

Keep dreaming

And what have you done for this fricken retarded industry!

:pop:
 

Almost Allright

GO Bucks!!!
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

Boston thinks Fezzik is an ass....Fezzik says himself that he can be an ass

Where's the story here?
 

maverick

EOG Veteran
Re: Clarifying the Record

Re: Clarifying the Record

The Boston/Fezzik fued all started back on the Stardust line when he of the great original thought told all to play NE -7 vs. Carolina (line had been -6.5 for 4 days, but had moved to 7). He predicted 44-0 final. Then 51-0 final. I pointed out this was terrible advice, every sharp with 1/2 a brain was playing NE -215 ML as they knew this was a far, far superior bet, and they were capitalizing on the donkey tourists who always bet some on the SB dog ML.....back then it was ridiculous how cheap the fav MLs were.

Long story short, NE wins by 3. Boston literally GOES NUTS, how dare I question him, every thing he says is real and true and straight from the heart). I guess I and others just lie cheat and steal...... maybe I didn't originate that ML thought, but I and every sharp I know knew about it, don't know why Boston didn't get the memo......maybe if he knew how to bet the NFL (or had any contacts) he wouldn't have led his followers off the cliff.

Fast forward to Fezziksplace.com. Boston posts some very good plays, and doing well. Buys dinner for a whole bunch of people. Very nice. Very generous.

Then, the disturbing stuff happens. His plays the next year don't do well.........and worse yet the market is pissing all over them, he is giving out games -3 that are closing -2.5 in some cases, etc. (this wasn't happening the year before). I get emails from not 1 but 3 sharps saying "YOU AREN'T BETTING THIS STUFF ARE YOU??"

I have had runins with some of the best, and some of the not so good over the years. The one thing that everyone can always say about me is that I can be an ass, but I have morals, integrity and honesty. I truly believe Alan was doing his best, I posted as such, but he just didn't have it. I posted on the board, warning all to not follow anyone, including Alan blindly, and Yes I singled him out.......saying ONLY bet his games if you yourself liked them. Pretty sage advice actually, considering Mr. Boston himself will admit to him struggling from that point forward in his own betting.

Yet, rightious indignation from good Ole Alan. HOW DARE I post that, and 'start a fight'.

I do feel strongly Alan has always just wanted to follow the games, do the right thing, help people, and give out winning advice. He is good for the industry.

But he suffers from a common flaw, he thinks his way is the 'right' way, and any else is wrong. As frankB has said, we keep score in 1 way in this industry and that is with our Wallets. If he thinks I don't have originatal ways to win (unkown to others) I suggest he go talk to Joe Lupo, Vic Salerno, or about a dozen guys.

What is funny is Alan knows Jimmy Vaccarro pretty well, a guy who is VERY well connected. Jimmy set up a match with me vs. Nick Bogdonovich in 2006, 50k, we wach put u 25k.

When the dust settled, playing vs. market lines, Nick hit 61%........not good enough, as I hit 63%. Since then, I think Jimmy would be the 1st to say, I have game he was unaware of.

Bottom line, I will write a book one day, but I have stories back in the 1990s and some things this 'non originator' did to books...........hint ...........there is a reason Baldini's and Ascuaga and a few other places don't have their own books anymore.
sports books..........

I posted on the board, warning all to not follow anyone, including Alan blindly, and Yes I singled him out


Why would you find the need to warn anyone about following someone???
Most people on these forums are big enough boys to use there own judgement.............
I mean lets say Mofome has a really bad couple of months and loses a lot......

Could you see Shrink making a post not to follow his selections anymore???

I really could'nt ...........
 

Fezzik

EOG Veteran
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

The irony is that a guy who owes multiple people lots of money is running around being critical of how a guy who just won 700k in 2 years is lacking in original thought as a bettor/gambler.
 

Fezzik

EOG Veteran
Alan Boston on Poker

Alan Boston on Poker

Alan keeps talking about how strong and 'deep' his NL game is. Someone let Full Tilt know an imposter is playing under Alan Boston's name.....since the Alan Boston there is donking off his money micro stakes.

Further, Boston says "you cannot make money at poker now, the players are too good". He also (no surprise) is highly critical of my poker game.

Never mind I MAKE 3 bb/100, 50% ROI on online tournies while this guy manages to LOSE.
AND every good poker player I know is winning out there........
 

newport2

EOG Dedicated
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

The irony is that a guy who owes multiple people lots of money is running around being critical of how a guy who just won 700k in 2 years is lacking in original thought as a bettor/gambler.
You just went out of bounds.
 

JCROM777

EOG Addicted
Re: Follow-up on Alan Boston's comments on "Winning Wednesdays"

You have to respect someone who has won the Hilton contest in back to back years.
Case closed.
 
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