The Betty Ong call is a strange one. It seems whoever the woman was that was trying convince the operator that she was on a hijacked plane wasn't coached too well. She kept flubbing the script;
MALE VOICE: Which flight are you on?
BETTY ONG: Flight 12.
(a bit later, she's on a seat that doesn't exist)
FEMALE VOICE: Okay, but what seat are you sitting in? What’s the number of your seat?
BETTY ONG: Okay, I’m in my jump seat right now.
FEMALE VOICE: Okay.
BETTY ONG: At 3R.
(There was no seat 3R on that plane. I checked to confirm this too)
Look at the time scale: The phone call begun "minutes after 8 am", lasted nearly 40 minutes and ended at 8:46; so we can conclude Betty rung up at about 8:08-8:10. This was BEFORE the hijacking began! (Of course, the story changed later, then they said it was 8:21 when Betty rung up).
There are so many intrinsic oddities in the call and contradictions to Amy Sweeney's call that for me it's obvious that both calls were faked and the women doing the masquerading flubbed it by not keeping their story straight. The claimed times of the calls are way too long to be credible anyway, as if real hijackers were just going to sit around and let somebody chatter away for 25 minutes. Not believable.
Also why make a phone call to alert of a hijacking? Why weren't the codes used instead. There are several places on the 757s and 767s where there's a keypad for pressing in the hijacking code (4-digits). Any one of the crew (pilots & flight attendants, etc...) could've pressed in that code in any one of several different places, yet we're expected to believe that suddenly the flight attendants and entire crew forgot all about pressing the buttons to alert the FAA of a hijacking.
No way! I don't believe it.
by Meteor7 on Fri Sep 09, 05 1:11pm [+]
The 9-11 Victims Compensation Final Report contains an interesting fact. According to the report, 98% of all the people who suffered a loss on 9-11 took the fund money.
but...
on Flight 93, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list.
on Flight 11, only 3 are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list.
on Flight 77, only 5 are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list.
on Flight 175, only 3 are on the 9=11 Compensation Fund list
by Meteor7 on Fri Sep 09, 05 1:15pm [+]
The cellphone calls don't prove the existence of most of these people either. Only 13 calls in total, and considering that only 12 people had relatives to claim some kind of compensation or legal claim (11 on the 9-11 Victims Compensation Fund list, plus Ellen Mariani who decided to sue instead), then the existence of all of the others is suspect. Examining the cellphone and airphone calls it's found that at least some of them, and maybe all of them, are fake.
# At 8:21 am American 11 flight attendant, Amy Sweeney, called American Airlines ground manager Michael Woodward and spoke calmly to him for 25 minutes. until the plane crashed. Woodward took notes during the conversation and has yet to testify publicly. (ABC News, 7/18/02).
= She's on the phone 25 minutes and the mythical terrorists did nothing at all???
# Caller: "Mom? This is Mark Bingham."
= Who the hell calls their own mother and introduces themselves by their full name???
# A person claiming to be Todd Beamer, talked to GTE operator Lisa D. Jefferson
“Todd Beamer placed a call on one of the Boeing 757's on-board telephones and spoke for 13 minutes with GTE operator Lisa D. Jefferson, Beamer's wife said.......(The Pittsburg Channel, 1.38pm, September 16, 2001)
= Why would Beamer prefer to talk to a stranger than to someone in his own family? He's also on the phone for 13 minutes, and again the mythical terrorists did nothing about it. Notice that his wife, Mrs Lisa Beamer did not receive a telephone call from Todd personally, but was later “told” by an operator that her husband had "allegedly" called. No evidence at all that it really was Todd Beamer making the call. Todd Beamer, btw, is not listed as dead on the SSDI.
There are enormous problems with the credibility of the claimed call by Barbara Olson to her husband as well.
0915-0930 AM, (very approximately since there is no record of the calls); Barbara Olson places two calls to her husband (she was his 3rd wife.), US Solicitor General Theodore Olson, supposedly to tell him that Flight 77 (the plane she is claimed to be on) has been hijacked. After the first call, US Solicitor General Theodore Olson notifies the Justice Department.
1) * According to the story, she called her husband on an airphone on a collect call because she didn't have a credit card on her (a nice excuse for avoiding a phone record turning up). But, not only can't an airphone be used without a valid credit card (it has to swiped through the slot), you can't even take the handset off the cradle until the credit card is swiped through...because it's locked to stop it flying around accidentally during any turtbulence. So how did she make the call without lifting the handset?
2) There are no other witnesses to this call taking place. Neither is there any record of the call being made.
3) Barbara Olson is also not listed in the Social Security Death Index as having died.
If you knew or suspected your spouse’s aircraft had just fireballed inside the Pentagon building, how would you spend the rest of the day? Most people would be in deep shock, I'm sure. About the last thing on your mind would be to pick up a telephone and call the CNN Atlanta news desk in order to give them a “scoop” - but that's exactly what the US Solcitor General Theodore Olson did.
Theodore Olson doesn't seem to worry overmuch about lying either;
Addressing the Supreme Court of the United States of America, US Solicitor General Theodore Olson said it is "easy to imagine an infinite number of situations . . . where government officials might quite legitimately have reasons to give false information out." (March 21, 2002, p.A35, the Washington Post article titled “The Limits of Lying” by Jim Hoagland)
by Meteor7 on Fri Sep 09, 05 1:16pm [+]
Only SIX (6) of the names on Flight 93 show up in the Social Security Death Index and NONE are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list. Basically being non-existent persons, they don't have relatives who need to apply for compensation.
Todd Beamer is also one of those who according to the Social Security Administration is still alive - or at least not dead yet.
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In many modern passenger jets since the 1990s, simply typing in the hijack alert code on the keypad of the FMC or on the keypads of any airphone would send the hijack alert aquawk out via ACARS. That's a lot of keypads. That's a lot of places on each plane where the hijack alert code could be sent. And ANY CREW MEMBER could do it, at ANY OF THESE PLACES on each plane!
To stop every single member of the crew from pressing in the 4-digit code at any of these keypads would be near impossible. It would require either incapacitating the entire crew of each aircraft INSTANTLY over the ENTIRE PLANE at the same time!
It becomes entirely ridiculous when the "Arabs Did It" LUNATICS are claiming that this near-impossibility was achieved not just on one plane, but on ALL FOUR!
How did these amazing Arab hijackers do it? Did they use MAGIC and SUPER-POWERS?
MALE VOICE: Which flight are you on?
BETTY ONG: Flight 12.
(a bit later, she's on a seat that doesn't exist)
FEMALE VOICE: Okay, but what seat are you sitting in? What’s the number of your seat?
BETTY ONG: Okay, I’m in my jump seat right now.
FEMALE VOICE: Okay.
BETTY ONG: At 3R.
(There was no seat 3R on that plane. I checked to confirm this too)
Look at the time scale: The phone call begun "minutes after 8 am", lasted nearly 40 minutes and ended at 8:46; so we can conclude Betty rung up at about 8:08-8:10. This was BEFORE the hijacking began! (Of course, the story changed later, then they said it was 8:21 when Betty rung up).
There are so many intrinsic oddities in the call and contradictions to Amy Sweeney's call that for me it's obvious that both calls were faked and the women doing the masquerading flubbed it by not keeping their story straight. The claimed times of the calls are way too long to be credible anyway, as if real hijackers were just going to sit around and let somebody chatter away for 25 minutes. Not believable.
Also why make a phone call to alert of a hijacking? Why weren't the codes used instead. There are several places on the 757s and 767s where there's a keypad for pressing in the hijacking code (4-digits). Any one of the crew (pilots & flight attendants, etc...) could've pressed in that code in any one of several different places, yet we're expected to believe that suddenly the flight attendants and entire crew forgot all about pressing the buttons to alert the FAA of a hijacking.
No way! I don't believe it.
by Meteor7 on Fri Sep 09, 05 1:11pm [+]
The 9-11 Victims Compensation Final Report contains an interesting fact. According to the report, 98% of all the people who suffered a loss on 9-11 took the fund money.
but...
on Flight 93, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list.
on Flight 11, only 3 are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list.
on Flight 77, only 5 are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list.
on Flight 175, only 3 are on the 9=11 Compensation Fund list
by Meteor7 on Fri Sep 09, 05 1:15pm [+]
The cellphone calls don't prove the existence of most of these people either. Only 13 calls in total, and considering that only 12 people had relatives to claim some kind of compensation or legal claim (11 on the 9-11 Victims Compensation Fund list, plus Ellen Mariani who decided to sue instead), then the existence of all of the others is suspect. Examining the cellphone and airphone calls it's found that at least some of them, and maybe all of them, are fake.
# At 8:21 am American 11 flight attendant, Amy Sweeney, called American Airlines ground manager Michael Woodward and spoke calmly to him for 25 minutes. until the plane crashed. Woodward took notes during the conversation and has yet to testify publicly. (ABC News, 7/18/02).
= She's on the phone 25 minutes and the mythical terrorists did nothing at all???
# Caller: "Mom? This is Mark Bingham."
= Who the hell calls their own mother and introduces themselves by their full name???
# A person claiming to be Todd Beamer, talked to GTE operator Lisa D. Jefferson
“Todd Beamer placed a call on one of the Boeing 757's on-board telephones and spoke for 13 minutes with GTE operator Lisa D. Jefferson, Beamer's wife said.......(The Pittsburg Channel, 1.38pm, September 16, 2001)
= Why would Beamer prefer to talk to a stranger than to someone in his own family? He's also on the phone for 13 minutes, and again the mythical terrorists did nothing about it. Notice that his wife, Mrs Lisa Beamer did not receive a telephone call from Todd personally, but was later “told” by an operator that her husband had "allegedly" called. No evidence at all that it really was Todd Beamer making the call. Todd Beamer, btw, is not listed as dead on the SSDI.
There are enormous problems with the credibility of the claimed call by Barbara Olson to her husband as well.
0915-0930 AM, (very approximately since there is no record of the calls); Barbara Olson places two calls to her husband (she was his 3rd wife.), US Solicitor General Theodore Olson, supposedly to tell him that Flight 77 (the plane she is claimed to be on) has been hijacked. After the first call, US Solicitor General Theodore Olson notifies the Justice Department.
1) * According to the story, she called her husband on an airphone on a collect call because she didn't have a credit card on her (a nice excuse for avoiding a phone record turning up). But, not only can't an airphone be used without a valid credit card (it has to swiped through the slot), you can't even take the handset off the cradle until the credit card is swiped through...because it's locked to stop it flying around accidentally during any turtbulence. So how did she make the call without lifting the handset?
2) There are no other witnesses to this call taking place. Neither is there any record of the call being made.
3) Barbara Olson is also not listed in the Social Security Death Index as having died.
If you knew or suspected your spouse’s aircraft had just fireballed inside the Pentagon building, how would you spend the rest of the day? Most people would be in deep shock, I'm sure. About the last thing on your mind would be to pick up a telephone and call the CNN Atlanta news desk in order to give them a “scoop” - but that's exactly what the US Solcitor General Theodore Olson did.
Theodore Olson doesn't seem to worry overmuch about lying either;
Addressing the Supreme Court of the United States of America, US Solicitor General Theodore Olson said it is "easy to imagine an infinite number of situations . . . where government officials might quite legitimately have reasons to give false information out." (March 21, 2002, p.A35, the Washington Post article titled “The Limits of Lying” by Jim Hoagland)
by Meteor7 on Fri Sep 09, 05 1:16pm [+]
Only SIX (6) of the names on Flight 93 show up in the Social Security Death Index and NONE are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list. Basically being non-existent persons, they don't have relatives who need to apply for compensation.
Todd Beamer is also one of those who according to the Social Security Administration is still alive - or at least not dead yet.
**********************************************
In many modern passenger jets since the 1990s, simply typing in the hijack alert code on the keypad of the FMC or on the keypads of any airphone would send the hijack alert aquawk out via ACARS. That's a lot of keypads. That's a lot of places on each plane where the hijack alert code could be sent. And ANY CREW MEMBER could do it, at ANY OF THESE PLACES on each plane!
To stop every single member of the crew from pressing in the 4-digit code at any of these keypads would be near impossible. It would require either incapacitating the entire crew of each aircraft INSTANTLY over the ENTIRE PLANE at the same time!
It becomes entirely ridiculous when the "Arabs Did It" LUNATICS are claiming that this near-impossibility was achieved not just on one plane, but on ALL FOUR!
How did these amazing Arab hijackers do it? Did they use MAGIC and SUPER-POWERS?
