120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

yep osama gonna free the terrorists.

this is a great thing..

stupid

:hangt
 
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Anyone whom they had any sort of "proof" regarding alleged "terrist" activities has already been addressed. These are the sad-sack, unlucky leftovers, whose continued incarceration should render any real American ashamed for what has happened to his country. . .
 
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

like the 2 guys that proudly proclaimed they were in on it the other day.

yeah leftovers.
keep drinking the koolaid

oh yeah youdon't even believe we were attacked youthink bush did it.

:hangt
 
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Just for your information, since you so obviously haven't been paying attention, those that still have charges pending will be tried in federal court; no one who can be prosecuted will be let go. . .Except Cheney for the time being. . .
 
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

nope
not let go
but he wants to close gitmo..

stupid....:hangt
 
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

You obviously didn't get the memo. . .Americans don't torture. . .
 

reanimator

EOG Addicted
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Just for your information, since you so obviously haven't been paying attention, those that still have charges pending will be tried in federal court; no one who can be prosecuted will be let go. . .Except Cheney for the time being. . .

What an idiot. Now because you got caught spreading your hate & lies by KTBKRUSHER this time, you backtrack and say "jeepers, I meant two of them have charges pending". That's why you're an idiot. These 2 guys admitted being in on 9-11 just as they've been charged, and you claimed they were just....what was the word--oh yes: LEFTOVERS!:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

What an idiot.
 
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Haha. . .He said "idiot." You can't make this up. As if. . .
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Reanimator and KTB:

curious again why you 2 fellas are not involved in the fun over in Iraq for
what reasons?
 

Munchkin Man

EOG Dedicated
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Reanimator and KTB:

curious again why you 2 fellas are not involved in the fun over in Iraq for
what reasons?

Speaking for the Munchkin Man, the only reason why the Munchkin Man is not fighting over in Iraq is because the Munchkin Man would not be able to pass the required physical examination.

The Munchkin Man has a perforated eardrum.

Munchkin Man
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

I was guessing you were gonna give us the "Rush" story:

"I have a big pimple on my ass ..."

It worked for Mr Viagra !!!
 
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

relax munch,.
when confronted with facts all Doc can do is go to bashing..

This administration is trying to be PC to a certain group to keep their donations coming.
Closing Gitmo is a moronic idea, just for the costs alone of moving the prisoners and still detaining them.

It's like you lefties think he is releasing them...NOT.:hangt
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Who am I bashing?

I like the MM ... his stories are "usually not short" and entertaining
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Barack is doing the right thing

the USA has no respect world wide ... how can we?

We USE SYRIA to torture folks !!!


For the Righties bragging how this country is based on "Christian Principals" is almost comical
 

roscoesdad27

EOG Enthusiast
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Barack is doing the right thing

the USA has no respect world wide ... how can we?

We USE SYRIA to torture folks !!!


For the Righties bragging how this country is based on "Christian Principals" is almost comical

I absolutely agree with you and obama on this one...but he's still an uncle tom.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Yeah ...

sure he is


The Man is a good man ... a good family man and right now ya best be in his
corner partner with what he inherited for the future of your family
 

TomKing

EOG Senior Member
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

One of his first acts is to make sure the terriost have some rights, alrighty. I would have cut their heads off in the desert and called it even in the first place.

We did "capture" these people during a war, correct?
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

You tell em King ...

who attacked the USA on 9-11?

Try the jackasses who flew out yesterday with the PNAC gameplan carreid out on that morning of 9-11 via Cheney overseeing NORAD opps

Hiter had Gliewitz and Bush had 9-11

History repeats itself with False Terror Opps ya can sell to the Gullible Masses
 

roscoesdad27

EOG Enthusiast
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

You tell em King ...

who attacked the USA on 9-11?

Try the jackasses who flew out yesterday with the PNAC gameplan carreid out on that morning of 9-11 via Cheney overseeing NORAD opps

Hiter had Gliewitz and Bush had 9-11

History repeats itself with False Terror Opps ya can sell to the Gullible Masses

absolutely agree doc...9/11 was an inside job, but obama will help cover for them whilst giving off the vibe that he's against them....thats how controlled opposition works.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

I have plenty of vaseline jars stored up ...

I know the gig ...

No way in hell I was living in a country with Sarah Palin in charge
 

TomKing

EOG Senior Member
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

You two should put the bong down step away from the keyboard.

Inside job.......yeah, okay, that is a sane thought
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

King:

a few hits and you might start showing a sense of humor

Ya cant be EOG's version of Dick Cheney 7 days a week !!
 

TomKing

EOG Senior Member
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

You actually want me to believe that a buffon like Bush pulled off the biggest conspiracy of the modern time.

Are you kidding?
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Bush took orders from Cheney ... Cheney's boy Wolfowitz drew up the PNAC
agenda in 93:


Crossing the Rubicon
Simplifying the case against Dick Cheney
January 18, 2005 (FTW) - [SIZE=+2]I[/SIZE]n an argument of over 600 pages and 1,000 footnotes, Crossing the Rubicon makes the case for official complicity within the U.S. government and names Dick Cheney as the prime suspect in the crimes of 9/11. Since the publication of this book (to which I had the privilege of contributing a chapter), many people have asked to hear the case against Cheney argued "short & sweet."
I will make it as short as possible, but it can never be sweet.
There are 3 major points made within this book that are crucial to proving Cheney's guilt. I shall first list them and then go on to prove each point as laid out in Crossing the Rubicon.
  1. Means - Dick Cheney and the Secret Service: Dick Cheney was running a completely separate chain of Command & Control via the Secret Service, assuring the paralysis of Air Force response on 9/11. The Secret Service has the technology to see the same radar screens the FAA sees in real time. They also have the legal authority and technological capability to take supreme command in cases of national emergency. Dick Cheney was the acting Commander in Chief on 9/11. (Click here for a summary of these points)
  2. Motive - Peak Oil: At some point between 2000 and 2007, world oil production reaches its peak; from that point on, every barrel of oil is going to be harder to find, more expensive to recover, and more valuable to those who recover and control it. Dick Cheney was well aware of the coming Peak Oil crisis at least as early as 1999, and 9/11 provided the pretext for the series of energy wars that Cheney stated, "will not end in our lifetime." (Click here for a summary of these points)
  3. Opportunity - 9/11 War Games: The Air Force was running multiple war games on the morning of 9/11 simulating hijackings over the continental United States that included (at least) one "live-fly" exercise as well as simulations that placed "false blips" on FAA radar screens. These war games eerily mirrored the real events of 9/11 to the point of the Air Force running drills involving hijacked aircraft as the 9/11 plot actually unfolded. The war games & terror drills played a critical role in ensuring no Air Force fighter jocks - who had trained their entire lives for this moment - would be able to prevent the attacks from succeeding. These exercises were under Dick Cheney's management. (Click here for a summary of these points)
Here is the supporting documentation as laid out in Crossing the Rubicon, making a legal case against Dick Cheney for the crimes of 9/11.
? MEANS: Dick Cheney and the Secret Service
As the 9/11 plot unfolded, it has been reported that Secret Service whisked Dick Cheney into an underground presidential bunker at 9:03. 1 This establishes that the Secret Service was in the loop giving orders by at least 9:03, and almost certainly much earlier, as we will show.
Former counter-terrorism advisor Richard Clarke writes in Against All Enemies: "Secret Service had a system that allowed them to see what FAA's radar was seeing." The Kean Commission (also known as the 9/11 Commission) would have us believe that the chain of command on 9/11 was a complex web, but in reality the Secret Service had the authority to communicate presidential and vice presidential orders directly to fighter pilots in the air. 2
In Air War Over America, a book commissioned by the Air Force documenting the morning of 9/11, it is stated that the FAA contacted Otis Air Force base informing them Flight 11 was headed to Manhattan and had lost its identification signal by 8:30. 3 This indicates Secret Service was in the loop by the same time, or shortly thereafter, since they are able to see FAA radar screens in real time and FAA is reaching out to the military. There is no question that by 8:45 at the absolute latest, likely much earlier, Secret Service is in the decision-making loop. They were most likely in the loop after 8:15 when flight 11 turned its transponder off.

National Special Security Event
It is the Secret Service who has the legal mandate to take supreme command in case of a scheduled major event - or an unplanned major emergency - on American soil; these are designated "National Special Security Events." The Atlanta Olympic Games and the Republican & Democratic National Conventions are notable examples of NSSE's. In preparation, the Secret Service runs training initiatives of simulated attacks and field exercises for such events. 4

The Secret Service works with state and local authorities as well as the military to coordinate security efforts; it has the best communication system of any agency in the country; and its personnel are always present with both the President and Vice President - making it the perfect agency to take supreme command in case of a major emergency on American soil. 5

When 9/11 occurred, the legal framework was in place to allow the Secret Service to take supreme command over any and all American agencies, including the Air Force. 6
Richard Clarke writes in Against All Enemies: "I was amazed at the speed of the decisions coming from Cheney and, through him, from Bush." 7 This is to be expected. Everything was in place for the Commander in Chief to be calling all the shots as the 9/11 plot unfolded, but Bush was in an elementary school reading about goats with Secret Service agents right beside him.
Bush's Secret Service detail was in real-time communication not only with the FAA, but also the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center), into which Dick Cheney had reportedly been whisked by the Secret Service. While Bush continued his elementary school photo-op after being told, "America is under attack," Ari Fleischer - according to the Washington Times, 10/7/02 - caught the president's eye and held up a handwritten sign that said "DON'T SAY ANYTHING YET." 8 Bush was intentionally being kept out of the decision-making loop during the critical moments of 9/11. The Vice President has no place in the official military chain of command.9
Thus far we have established that:

  1. Secret Service was the supreme command on 9/11.
  2. Bush was not in the role of Commander in Chief at critical times on 9/11.
  3. The acting Commander in Chief as the 9/11 plot unfolded was Dick Cheney.
? MOTIVE: Peak Oil
By definition, world hydrocarbon (oil and gas) production peaks when half the planet's reserves have been used up. After that point, every barrel of oil will be harder to find, more expensive to obtain, and more valuable to whoever controls it. Many of the world's foremost experts place that peak between 2000 and 2007.
We live in a global economic system based on endless growth, and that growth is only possible with endless hydrocarbons to burn. Demand for oil and gas is increasing at staggering rates; after peak, there will be demand that simply cannot be met, and energy prices will rise inexorably.
The resulting economic catastrophe may see oil hit $100 per barrel before the end of this decade. Oil not only keeps us warm and moves our cars, it is used to make all plastics and is, together with natural gas, the most important ingredient keeping modern agriculture afloat. It is a little known fact that for every 1 calorie of food energy produced, 10 calories of hydrocarbons are consumed. 10
We eat oil.
Without cheap oil, billions of people will freeze or starve and unfortunately, there is no combination of renewable energy sources that can replace oil and gas consumption without massive conservation efforts that are nowhere in sight.
Cheney knew about this.
There are no national plans for conservation in America. As Dick Cheney has stated, "The American way of life is not negotiable." Over-consumption is as American as apple pie. Many industry experts have been speaking to the reality of Peak Oil for some time. One of those experts - perhaps the most prominent in the world - was in Dick Cheney's National Energy Policy Development Group (NEPDG).
Just four days after Dick Cheney became Vice President he convened the NEPDG. 11 Among the experts whose opinion Cheney paid for (with taxpayer dollars) was Matthew Simmons, one of the most respected energy investment bankers in the world. Simmons has been speaking out about Peak Oil for years, and there is no question that the urgent story of Peak Oil is what he told Cheney's NEPDG.
The content of the NEPDG documentation has been illegally withheld from the American public with a rubber stamp of approval from the Supreme Court. FTW has always contended that the deepest, darkest secrets of 9/11 are in those documents. That's why they've been guarded so tightly.
Cheney knew about Peak Oil in 1999 as CEO of Halliburton, long before was Vice President. A speech he gave at the London Institute of Petroleum demonstrates this clearly. 12
As stated in Crossing the Rubicon, "By way of confirmation, people in and close to the oil industry are reporting that increased drilling is not resulting as yet in significantly increased supply." 13
A crisis of this magnitude required a crisis plan, something the Neo-Liberals didn't have. The Neo-Conservatives, including Dick Cheney, had such a plan: manufacture a crisis - one that had long been imagined as necessary by elite planners inside the national security state 14- and use it to maintain permanent war to steal the world's last remaining hydrocarbons and temporarily stave off the Peak Oil crisis.
? OPPORTUNITY: 9/11 War Games - a perfect "match"
On May 8, 2001 - four months prior to 9/11 - the president placed Dick Cheney in charge of "[A]ll federal programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management within the Departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, and other federal agencies?" This included all "training and planning" which needed to be "seamlessly integrated, harmonious and comprehensive" in order to "maximize effectiveness." This mandate created the Office of National Preparedness in FEMA, overseen by Dick Cheney. 15
Dick Cheney was placed directly in charge of managing the seamless integration of all training exercises throughout the entire federal government and all military agencies. On 9/11 Cheney oversaw multiple war games and terror drills, including several exercises of NORAD, the Air Force agency whose mandate is to "watch the sky."
The evening before September 11th, 2001, the National Security Agency intercepted a communication between Khalid Shaikh Muhammad and the alleged ringleader of the 9/11 attacks, Mohammed Atta. The communication stated, "The match is about to begin."
Were they "matching" their activities to the war games? Was the attack a rigged "match" between the defenders on one side, and the attackers with their accomplices on the other?
The Whitehouse was so infuriated when this communication leaked from the Senate Intelligence Committee that they threatened Senators with polygraphs and office searches for disclosing classified information. This leak struck a nerve within the Whitehouse.
We know multiple Air Force war games were running on the morning of 9/11, as documented extensively in the mainstream press. 16 What Crossing the Rubicon has documented conclusively is that there was a live-fly drill taking place on 9/11 titled Vigilant Warrior. Richard Clarke disclosed the name of this drill on page 4 of his book, but it was Major Don Arias of NORAD who confirmed the definition of the title "Warrior" to Mike Ruppert via email.
Warrior = JCS/HQ NORAD sponsored FTX, or field training exercise (live-fly). 17
That means that the Vigilant Warrior drill conducted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff involved at least one real commercial aircraft in the skies, intended to simulate exactly the kind of airliner hijack emergency presented on 9/11. Coincidence?
This was further supported by an April 18 2004 USA Today article titled, "NORAD had drills of jets as weapons." The report cited NORAD officials who confirmed live-fly drills were conducted using hijacked airliners originating from the continental United States used as weapons crashing into targets including the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The specific drill USA Today referred to was "planned in July [2001] and conducted later" - likely on 9/11 itself. 18
Remember, on 9/11 the Bush administration claimed it had "no idea" aircraft would be used as weapons. Then why were they drilling such scenarios before and during 9/11? The Whitehouse dodged this by saying it wasn't aware of these drills but that is a transparent lie. The drills took place in the Whitehouse! 19
Secret Service runs simulated attack field exercises - exactly what Vigilant Warrior was. This Joint Chiefs of Staff drill was likely being run through Secret Service lines of communication by a central command under Cheney's control. 20
Additional war games on 9/11 included Northern Vigilance, an exercise that pulled Air Force fighters from the east coast of the United States up into Canada and Alaska simulating an attack out of Russia. All of those fighters were rendered useless as the 9/11 plot unfolded - too far away to respond.
One of the components of this drill included "false blips" (radar injects simulating aircraft in flight) placed on FAA radar screens. 21 At one point FAA head Jane Garvey said they suspected up to 11 hijackings on 9/11. Was she saying they couldn't determine which were real, which were simulated, and which were live-fly military exercises?
Regardless, all of this rendered Air Force response on 9/11 useless.
In Air War Over America it is documented that General Arnold of NORAD didn't pull out of the war game titled Vigilant Guardian until reports of flight 93 being hijacked were coming in. That was at 9:16, a total of 54 minutes after it was known that flight 11 was a hijacking. 22 What took so long? Were there still "false blips" on FAA radar screens at this time?
There were likely false blips on screen even after 9:16. The Kean Commission's report introduced "phantom flight-11" as being reported by the FAA at 9:25 on 9/11. The FAA reported flight 11 was heading to Washington D.C. at that time when in fact it had already struck the World Trade Center. The Kean Commission's report stated they were "unable to locate the source of the mistaken FAA information." 23
"Phantom flight-11" was a false blip, but since the war games are classified, specific information on "false blips" and other details can't be reported.
Now imagine being an air traffic controller with both real planes and "false blips" simulating hijackings on your screens when suddenly there are real, multiple, hijackings. Where do you send the few Air Force fighters that you have? You can't guess wrong, you don't have enough assets for that. The FAA doesn't even make that decision, the military does. The Kean Commission managed to scapegoat the FAA in their report, but the Air Force itself confirmed the FAA did its job properly on 9/11 in Air War Over America. 24
There were more 9/11 war games including Northern Guardian, Northern Denial (recently confirmed by an Assistant Editor at Harper's magazine) and an unnamed National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) drill for a plane crashing into NRO headquarters at precisely the time of an actual crash in New York.
Another coincidence?
War games, terror drills and exercises are run by the military quite frequently. In this case, they mirrored the real attacks of 9/11 with such shocking congruence as to be beyond the realm of coincidence.
This is made clear when we consider the warnings that had flooded U.S. Intelligence prior to 9/11, indicating that terrorists were planning to hijack aircraft and crash them into American targets on the ground during the week of September 9th, 2001. 25 With that type of information, who in their right mind would then schedule war games that would leave New York and Washington D.C. completely undefended?

We've already shown that the man in charge of managing all such programs was Dick Cheney. Among the central decision-makers for the scheduling of so many simultaneous exercises would be Dick Cheney and Ralph Eberhart, head of NORAD.
It certainly was a perfect "match."
The Maestro
The most important revelation made about the 9/11 war games comes again from Major Don Arias of NORAD. With multiple war games running, there had to be someone coordinating them.
"Yes, there is an exercise maestro," said Don Arias in a phone interview. 26
So who was the maestro?
Mike Ruppert called every relevant military and government office looking for an answer to this question and received no response. At the final 9/11 Commission hearing on June 17, 2004, I asked General Ralph Eberhart - the man in charge of NORAD on 9/11 - who was in charge of coordinating the war games that day. His only response was, "No comment." None of the commissioners, including Chairman Kean, could answer this question. 27
FTW's research has concluded the maestro was either Dick Cheney, Ralph "Ed" Eberhart, or both. Whoever the maestro was, he was certainly under Cheney's management as per the May 2001 presidential mandate.
Additionally, Tripod II was a bio-terror exercise being set-up on the west side of lower Manhattan, reportedly scheduled to begin the next day. This exercise was being coordinated with FEMA and the Department of Justice - two of the agencies placed directly under Cheney's control in May of 2001 by presidential mandate.
Another coincidence?
There is no question that Cheney would be responsible for managing this exercise. The Tripod II drill became the command & control emergency response center on 9/11. The command center in WTC 7 was reportedly evacuated by 9:30 on 9/11, but Tripod II provided a new command center organized just as the original was. 28 How convenient.
The Air Force war games ensured the air attack would be successful, and Tripod II assured Cheney would have control of the response to the crisis of his making. Matching the war games with hijackings - or hijacking the war games - was the opportunity for Cheney to help ensure the 9/11 attacks would be successful, justifying what he calls, "The war that will not end in our lifetimes." The "war on terror" is actually a war for the world's last remaining hydrocarbon reserves. This energy war is a response to a coming energy crisis that Cheney was well aware of at least as early as 1999.

Conclusion
Crossing the Rubicon demonstrates much more than is presented here. The book goes into the failures of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 insider trading, the curtailing of civil liberties, coming economic crisis, biological warfare, the real history of the Osama bin Laden, and many other issues critical to an understanding of today's historical reality.
Crossing the Rubicon also looks into the evolution of PROMIS software, a well-documented artificial intelligence and datamining program whose current descendants played an integral role in the crimes of 9/11. As Dick Cheney was running a separate chain of command via the Secret Service, he also had the capability to intervene in the functions of the FAA through an evolution of PROMIS software developed and sold by Ptech, Inc. - a company funded by Saudi terrorist financier Yassin Al Qadi. Al Qadi claims he met Dick Cheney in Jeddah before he was Vice President, a claim Cheney hasn't publicly refuted. FTW will soon be releasing an in-depth report on Ptech and its role in the crimes of 9/11.
What we have placed in front of you here is the legal case against Dick Cheney and other persons of interest within the U.S. government. Such evidence should constitute the foundation for articles of impeachment and criminal prosecution against George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and their accomplices.
Review the documentation for yourself - purchase Crossing the Rubicon here.
 

TomKing

EOG Senior Member
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Sooooo funny ...

3000 Americans died

Bin Laden not wanted for 9-11 by the FBI

No fighter jets that AM


Ohhhhh ... soooo damn funny !!!
 

TomKing

EOG Senior Member
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

And Bin Laden is part of the conspriacy, as are Islamic fundamentalist, Islamic media, and OBL is hiding in the outpost of Pakistan and Afghanistan because....let me get this straight Dick Chaney paid them off?

You know in most places of this country, if your smoking something that strong it's considered a controlled substance........that's a felony.

And of course Obama has promised to hunt OBL down.....I guess the Mesiah is a puppet for Chaney also...
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Lets see"

1) Obama .. does the name Tim Osman ring a bell?

2) Bush / Cheney got stiffed in the summer of 2001 via the UNOCAL
pipeline deal they cut with the Taliban on the pipeline that was suppose
to run thru Afghanistan

3) Wolfowitz was given orders to outline the PNAC agenda in 93

4) Cheney requested in May of 2001 to oversee NORAD opps

5) Where were the fighter jets that AM?

SHALL I CONTINUE?
 
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

You know in most places of this country, if your smoking something that strong it's considered a controlled substance........that's a felony.

Where do you live? Here in N.Y. state possession of up to 7/8 of an ounce of Marijuana is only a violation as long as you are the end user.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: 120 day freeze on military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay.

Let me roll up an early AM joint ....

Ahhhhh .... not thats better !!
 
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