MATCHBOOK IS THE NEW PINNACLE!!!!

I never thought I'd put another sports book in the same sentence as Pinnacle but Matchbook deserves it...

They charge 1% juice on Baseball games if u win and their lines are so tight that it's sick to watch and not bet (I don't normally bet Baseball)...

They pay VERY FAST if you have a post up account with them...

MATCHBOOK is clearly today's PINNACLE, IMHO... :cheers

Your money is as SAFE there as anywhere, period...

THE SHRINK
 

raycabino

Long Live Wilson!
Re: MATCHBOOK IS THE NEW PINNACLE!!!!

Surly a great out to have for recreational and professional gamblers. Hoping to get a deal to get 1% commission for football as well but haven't heard anything yet.
 

WVU

EOG Master
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Shrink, set up our Royalfan challenge on matchbook. Negotiate that commission for us.

:smokesmal
 
Re: MATCHBOOK IS THE NEW PINNACLE!!!!

Shrink, set up our Royalfan challenge on matchbook. Negotiate that commission for us.

:smokesmal

I second that. Work out a deal where they get to hold our money for 12 months for a NOMINAL fee.

We need your help.
 

durito

EOG Senior Member
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i made 14 different bets today at pinnacle that were not offered in anyway at matchbook
 

Seymour

EOG Dedicated
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Funded accounts across the board - and I only log into MB - once the last game goes my offers are out there - I put some of the worst odds possible and they got matched at a near 50% clip - now if they could only start winning
 
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i made 14 different bets today at pinnacle that were not offered in anyway at matchbook

I made several bets at Matchbook today that were not offered at Pinnacle...

It would be nice to see Pinnacle put up odds on the Presidential election for starters...

Years ago, Pinny paid much more attention to props, but now they seem to be catering more to NON US customers...

Pinny is still #1 but its very close and since most posters cant bet with them, I believe Matchbook is the solution...:houra
 

durito

EOG Senior Member
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i don't know why pinny doesn't have odds for the election.

betfair has a ton of action and liquidity on it.

Anyone Want to bet $1,004,456 to win $10,044 on Obama being the democratic nominee?
 

BCTTWR

EOG Dedicated
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Matchbook has odds on who will be the Vice President for both parties. I made a large play on Hillary not to be picked.

If you bet NFL moneylines, Matchbook is the place to make your bets.
 

VegasMike01

EOG Addicted
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Matchbook beats pinny on 10 of 14 sides
Matchbook is equal to pinny on 2 sides
Pinny beats matchbook on 1 side.

The patterns follows on totals.
 
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Whats the old saying? Pictures are worth a thousand words...


Mike,
Good improvements with GJ.

Suggestion. Take the Old Lines down when there is a pitching change.
Example: Game 903. Matchbook does not have a line up yet due to the Morton for Reyes pitching change. GJ is showing -124.
Not good for a LinesMan that may put up the bad line.
 

VegasMike01

EOG Addicted
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Looks as though you found a bug. Odds were in fact cleared when we got the pitching change. But the data was cached and not cleared. So on a new login, the data is back. Easy fix and will be done so ASAP.

I loaded your service just to check it out. Hit the baseball button, and after 14 minutes when the odds actually displayed I noticed you had some of the same problems of displaying OTB games.

So continuing on my quest I scrolled down (took about 3 full minutes for the thing to get to the bottom) I noticed where you have a takeback color legend. Then I realized that 10cents is displayed in black. I guess everyone deals 10 cents on your service. I figured, I must be doing something wrong. So I loaded the settings (another drastic wait). Anyways, I decided I must need to check "show baseball comebacks"... you know what happened? All my odds turned into "..."

I didnt quite like my Time to be formatted like HH:mm so I tried to change it to 12 hour setting, but nothing happened. This was after another 2-3 minute wait after clicking the save button.

Now, you can have your ghosts come in and say how they will be using LinesMover this season, but anyone who has seen it doesnt buy it. You can keep trying to rib me, tahts fine... one by one I will fix any small bug we have. While you get your ghosts to talk about how good you are, I will continue give my program to people who, in the past, have never been able to use it. For instance, I gave a pass to Shoebox, who is probably the biggest DB supporter and GJ trasher I know. But hopefully he will come up with some great feedback and I will improve. I find it a better approach than having a bunch of guys with < 30 posts talking about how they will use my service this year.
 

durito

EOG Senior Member
Re: MATCHBOOK IS THE NEW PINNACLE!!!!

Matchbook beats pinny on 10 of 14 sides
Matchbook is equal to pinny on 2 sides
Pinny beats matchbook on 1 side.

The patterns follows on totals.

You have to include the commission.

After that Pinny wins 6 ml's, matchbook 6, and one tie

Matchbook is a must have for baseball, but it's still no pinnacle.
 

VegasMike01

EOG Addicted
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You have to include the commission.

After that Pinny wins 6 ml's, matchbook 6, and one tie

Matchbook is a must have for baseball, but it's still no pinnacle.

Thank you durito. I actually am guilty of not playing at matchbook. I thought the commision was charged to the seller, not buyer. So it is closer on the actual spread, and I imagine it is still Pinny where you can get the bigger bet.
 

raycabino

Long Live Wilson!
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You have to include the commission.

After that Pinny wins 6 ml's, matchbook 6, and one tie

Matchbook is a must have for baseball, but it's still no pinnacle.
Not only do you have to factor commission but you also have to consider the size of the offer. Pinny offers 10k-20k on all baseball sides where the MB offer can be a $10 offer.(Note MB does have some 5 digit offers as well)
 

WVU

EOG Master
Re: MATCHBOOK IS THE NEW PINNACLE!!!!

You have to include the commission.

After that Pinny wins 6 ml's, matchbook 6, and one tie

Matchbook is a must have for baseball, but it's still no pinnacle.


Good point that most gamblers overlook.
 

raycabino

Long Live Wilson!
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ray, you mean to tell me you dont fire away $10 at a time?
I take what I can get but generally looking for a tad bigger offers than that. FTR your software is getting better and better, keep up the good work.
 
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Matchbook is fabulous, but they need to offer more props and need more action on 5-inning lines. My guess is lack of customers. People are not used of a commission-based book, or are afraid of it. "Commissions? Yikes!"
 

Almost Allright

GO Bucks!!!
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Matchbook is fabulous, but they need to offer more props and need more action on 5-inning lines. My guess is lack of customers. People are not used of a commission-based book, or are afraid of it. "Commissions? Yikes!"

not sure if afraid is proper but I bet a lot of players do not understand and therefore say screw it.
 
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Looks as though you found a bug. Odds were in fact cleared when we got the pitching change. But the data was cached and not cleared. So on a new login, the data is back. Easy fix and will be done so ASAP.


So continuing on my quest I scrolled down (took about 3 full minutes for the thing to get to the bottom) I noticed where you have a takeback color legend. Then I realized that 10cents is displayed in black. I guess everyone deals 10 cents on your service. I figured, I must be doing something wrong. So I loaded the settings (another drastic wait). Anyways, I decided I must need to check "show baseball comebacks"... you know what happened? All my odds turned into "..."

I didnt quite like my Time to be formatted like HH:mm so I tried to change it to 12 hour setting, but nothing happened. This was after another 2-3 minute wait after clicking the save button.

Mike,
Thanks for the feedback.
Looks like you last tried LinesMover back on May 31 when we were in Beta.
You also have a Windows Vista operating system, correct?
We had a hell of a time with Vista in the early going. 2348ji23e

Please download a free trial of the current version and let me know if you are experiencing the same problems.

Re: 'takeback color legend.'
You may be confusing LinesMover with another lines service.
We Do Not have a takeback color legend. Never have....

Our MLB format is

-120/100
9.5 u20

This allows the user to see both sides of the line and the total at the same time.

Thanks again Mike 12io4j2w90
 

VegasMike01

EOG Addicted
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No, i tried it today. You got the shortlist, I didnt want to add insult to injury. It is unusable, plain and simple.

PS


That is your service right?
 

VegasMike01

EOG Addicted
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Actually, i dont know what the hell is going on, I am clicked into baseball.. I see what I think is a baseball color chart. Then, out of nowhere I also see Zab Judah in there... WTF am I even looking at? Oh yea, all my lines still say "..."
 

VegasMike01

EOG Addicted
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I have to add every game I want to see?! That seems pretty time intensive. May I suggest a better approach since it seems like you used our service as the jump-off point anyways... At least I imagine thats why you were subscribed to us for so long (BTW we are still waiting on a few back payments from your accounts)



If I want to see gm# 913, i can do so easily without adding EVERY game on the board. Your way *might* work in baseball albeit annoying, but college football? Forget about it.
 

Bucky

EOG Dedicated
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All chatter aside - the Matchbook volume is probably enormous to similar amounts Pinny used to do in the USA. But, whose money is it? For all we know the Pinny boys are automated to the point that they are doing half of the business at Matchbook?

The volume that Pinny did eventually caused growth pains - blew up Neteller and payment processors and they had to leave the USA business behind. Now if they want to play at Matchbook - they can - just like everybody else.

So, I am sure that Matchbook settling with these commercial type accounts is no big deal. But, this tremendous volume for the post up players - will it stress the payout system like the old Pinny did???
 
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Almost Allright

GO Bucks!!!
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A great thread hijacked by dualing line services....take it elsewhere boys.


Back to the topic..........
 

VegasMike01

EOG Addicted
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AA, you are right. I have tried to bite my tongue, and was successful until this point. A man can take only so much shit before he snaps... and I did it in the wrong spot.
 

VegasMike01

EOG Addicted
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I will go into a self-sentenced timeout. My prison is to be the movie theater to check out Step Brothers.
 

Almost Allright

GO Bucks!!!
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AA, you are right. I have tried to bite my tongue, and was successful until this point. A man can take only so much shit before he snaps... and I did it in the wrong spot.


don't get me wrong, for consumers new to line services or those who want to switch it is informative........start a thread.

peace.
 

VegasMike01

EOG Addicted
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The point is, thread never even needed to be started. I should have just kept my cool. I will try to wait til Shrink starts a thread GJUpdate is the New Don Best, which should be right around the corner... Or am I giving him to much credit on insight? :houra
 

Almost Allright

GO Bucks!!!
Re: MATCHBOOK IS THE NEW PINNACLE!!!!

The point is, thread never even needed to be started. I should have just kept my cool. I will try to wait til Shrink starts a thread GJUpdate is the New Don Best, which should be right around the corner... Or am I giving him to much credit on insight? :houra


cool, i have used your products before, you're a good dude in my book.
 

durito

EOG Senior Member
Re: MATCHBOOK IS THE NEW PINNACLE!!!!

On MLB sides towards the afternoon on game day you can get down for 6 figures at matchbook if you wanted to, there's really no limit (whereas if you keep max betting pinny they are going to move the line). Just because there's only say 5k available, doesnt mean you cant take that and wait and see if someone puts up another 5 (they will) or make an offer.

The thing about comparing it to pinny though is sometimes that better line at matchbook really only does have 12$ available and you can't see that from the line service. There is probably $5,000 available at a worse line.

And if you want to hit overnights, pinny is of course the only place to get decent sized bets in.
 

VegasMike01

EOG Addicted
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Yea, when mansion was being promoted as the next big thing, we had them add a feature to the feed which said how much money could be wagered on the bet. So our screen would look like this:

9o08 (1000)
-114 (2300)

Maybe we can get matchbook to do something similar so you arent wasting your time chasing pennies when you could be getting down for real at a different out.
 

Bucky

EOG Dedicated
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Hey, Mike - there is nothing wrong with shooting the breeze here with the rest of us. Your response came from the technical side of it. All chatter aside - some of the technical things that would be interesting to see are some of the actual handle figures from books.

Now this is just theory and so forth but let's say it is a new book starting out or even a Matchbook - if the player can see $'s bet and the hold results by event ???? that would be worth much more than the line #'s for the player.

In a way the deck is stacked in favor of line information being valuable only to books that move on air so they do not get hit with bets when their line has value. Very few books on your screens are ever going to have value over Matchbook numbers because a lot of books have automated programs tied to Pinny that keep them perfectly cloned.

Of course, I am talking about mainstream numbers but Matchbook is a heckuva lot like Walmart. There is still room for the small guy if he tries hard and caters to the customer. But, this as good of a chance as any to ask what type of market information might be coming along in the future that the player could utilize?

What I am talking about is market information comparable to the stock market and commodities markets. There is an information gap here in favor of the sportsbooks. They know the shares traded - open interest - volume - etc., etc., etc. and the players do not.
 

VegasMike01

EOG Addicted
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Bucky, the main problem is that NOBODY in their right mind would start making public how much they are making. Your numbers are 100% right on as far as importance of handicapping goes.

We have spoken with some books and the best we could ever get (which still isnt bad)

% of money, # of bets

If you think about it, thats a pretty good stat.
 
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