New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History
by George Washington
Monday, May 19, 2008

Matt Taibbi and his buddies are making complete fools of themselves by trying to mock those who question 9/11:

The same people who had managed in the 2000 election to sell billionaire petro-royalist George Bush as an ordinary down-to-earth ranch hand apparently so completely lacked confidence in their own propaganda skills that they resorted to ordering a mass murder on American soil as a way of cajoling America to go to war against a second-rate tyrant like Saddam Hussein. As if getting America to support going to war even against innocent countries had ever been hard before!

The truly sad thing about the 9/11 Truth movement is that it's based upon the wildly erroneous proposition that our leaders would ever be frightened enough of public opinion to feel the need to pull off this kind of stunt before acting in a place like Afghanistan or Iraq. Um . . . haven't you guys ever cracked a history book?

Don't you know that virtually every war is preceded by either a false flag attack or fake intelligence, so as to trump up an imminent threat from the folks that are to be on the receiving end of the bayonets and bombs?

Haven't you heard of the Maine, fellas? How about the Gulf of Tonkin? The Iraqi incubator story?

Didn't you learn about Operation Himmler? The Reichstag fire? The Lavon Affair? Operation Gladio? Northwoods? Ajax?

And - as well as an excuse for war - don't you know that false flag attacks have been used throughout history as a justification for the consolidation of power in the "strong man"?

Haven't you guys ever heard these quotes by famous historical figures:

a. "This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector." - Plato

b. "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - U.S. President James Madison

c. "Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death". - Adolph Hitler

d. "Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Hermann Goering, Nazi leader.

e. "The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. [The public] will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened". - Josef Stalin


Indeed, even our current crop of leaders have said some interesting things:

a. "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor." - Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, Wolfowitz and the other boys at the Project for a New American Century, in 2000

b. "We haven't had an attack in five years...The correction for that, I suppose, is an attack. And when that happens, then everyone gets energized... ." - Donald Rumsfeld (right after he resigned as Secretary of Defense)

So here are the new rules: Don't mock those who question 9/11 before learning some basic history.

And while you're at it, please take a look at what real historians and other highly-credible people say about 9/11.

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Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

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and pearl harbor didnt happen
we didn't land on the moon.
elvis is alive
so is tupac and biggie

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Doc Mercer

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Dawg:

I've always said its easy:

PNAC
OPERATION NORTHWOODS



FAKE TERROR -
THE ROAD TO WAR AND DICTATORSHIP


<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>It's the oldest trick in the book, dating back to Roman times; creating the enemies you need. </td></tr></tbody></table></center>​
<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="606">In 70 BC, an ambitious minor politician and extremely wealthy man, Marcus Licinius Crassus, wanted to rule Rome. Just to give you an idea of what sort of man Crassus really was, he is credited with invention of the fire brigade. But in Crassus' version, his fire-fighting slaves would race to the scene of a burning building whereupon Crassus would offer to buy it on the spot for a tiny fraction of it's worth. If the owner sold, Crassus' slaves would put out the fire. If the owner refused to sell, Crassus allowed the building to burn to the ground. By means of this device, Crassus eventually came to be the largest single private land holder in Rome, and used some of his wealth to help back Julius Caesar against Cicero. </td> <td width="4">
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>In 70 BC Rome was still a Republic, which placed very strict limits on what Rulers could do, and more importantly NOT do. But Crassus had no intentions of enduring such limits to his personal power, and contrived a plan. Crassus seized upon the slave revolt led by Spartacus in order to strike terror into the hearts of Rome, whose garrison Spartacus had already defeated in battle. But Spartacus had no intention of marching on Rome itself, a move he knew to be suicidal. Spartacus and his band wanted nothing to do with the Roman empire and had planned from the start merely to loot enough money from their former owners in the Italian countryside to hire a mercenary fleet in which to sail to freedom.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>Sailing away was the last thing Crassus wanted Spartacus to do. He needed a convenient enemy with which to terrorize Rome itself for his personal political gain. So Crassus bribed the mercenary fleet to sail without Spartacus, then positioned two Roman legions in such a way that Spartacus had no choice but to march on Rome. Terrified of the impending arrival of the much-feared army of gladiators, Rome declared Crassus Praetor. Crassus then crushed Spartacus' army and even though Pompey took the credit, Crassus was elected Consul of Rome the following year.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>With this maneuver, the Romans surrendered their Republican form of government. Soon would follow the first Triumvirate, consisting of Crassus, Pompeii, and Julius Caesar, followed by the reign of the god-like Emperors of Rome. The Romans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the rule of Emperors.
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</td> <td width="216">Julius Caesar's political opponent, Cicero, for all his literary accomplishments, played the same games in his campaign against Julius Caesar, claiming that Rome was falling victim to an internal "vast right wing" conspiracy in which any expressed desire for legislative limits on government was treated as suspicious behavior. Cicero, in order to demonstrate to the Romans just how unsafe Rome has become hired thugs to cause as much disturbance as possible, and campaigned on a promise to end the internal strife if elected and granted extraordinary powers. </td></tr></tbody></table></center>​
<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>What Cicero only dreamed of, Adolph Hitler succeeded in doing. Elected Chancellor of Germany, Hitler, like Crassus, had no intention of living with the strict limits to his power imposed by German law. Unlike Cicero, Hitler's thugs were easy to recognize; they all wore the same brown shirts. But their actions were no different than those of their Roman predecessors. They staged beatings, set fires, caused as much trouble as they could, while Hitler made speeches promising that he could end the crime wave of subversives and terrorism if he was granted extraordinary powers. Then the Reichstag burned down; a staged terrorist attack.
The Germans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the total rule of Der Fuehrer. Hitler had German troops dressed in Polish uniforms attack the radio station at Gliewitz, then lied to the Germans, telling them Poland had invaded, and marched Germany off into World War Two
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>The state-sponsored schools will never tell you this, but governments routinely rely on hoaxes to sell their agendas to an otherwise reluctant public. The Romans accepted the Emperors and the Germans accepted Hitler not because they wanted to, but because the carefully crafted illusions of threat appeared to leave no other choice. Our government too uses hoaxes to create the illusion that We The People have no choice but the direction the government wishes us to go in.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>In 1898, Joseph Pulitzer's New York World and William Randolph Hearst's New York Journal were arguing for American intervention in Cuba. Hearst is reported to have dispatched a photographer to Cuba to photograph the coming war with Spain. When the photographer asked just what war that might be, Hearst is reported to have replied, "You take the photographs, and I will provide the war". Hearst was true to his word, as his newspaper published stories of great atrocities being committed against the Cuban people, most of which turned out to be complete fabrications. On the night of February 15, 1898, the USS Maine, lying in Havana harbor in a show of US resolve to protect her interests, exploded violently. Captain Sigsbee, the commander of the Maine, urged that no assumptions of enemy attack be made until there was a full investigation of the cause of the explosion. For this, Captain Sigsbee was excoriated in the press for "refusing to see the obvious". The Atlantic Monthly declared flat out that to suppose the explosion to be anything other than a deliberate act by Spain was "completely at defiance of the laws of probability".
Under the slogan "Remember the Maine", Americans went to war with Spain, eventually winning the Philippines (and annexing Hawaii along the way).
In 1975, an investigation led by Admiral Hyman Rickover examined the data recovered from a 1911 examination of the wreck and concluded that there had been no evidence of an external explosion. The most likely cause of the sinking was a coal dust explosion in a coal bunker imprudently located next to the ship's magazines. Captain Sigsbee's caution had been well founded.
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</td> <td>President Franklin Delano Roosevelt needed a war. He needed the fever of a major war to mask the symptoms of a still deathly ill economy struggling back from the Great Depression (and mutating towards Socialism at the same time). Roosevelt wanted a war with Germany to stop Hitler, but despite several provocations in the Atlantic, the American people, still struggling with that troublesome economy, were opposed to any wars. Roosevelt violated neutrality with lend lease, and even ordered the sinking of several German ships in the Atlantic, but Hitler refused to be provoked. Roosevelt needed an enemy, and if America would not willingly attack that enemy, then one would have to be maneuvered into attacking America, much as Marcus Licinius Crassus has maneuvered Spartacus into attacking Rome.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>The way open to war was created when Japan signed the tripartite agreement with Italy and Germany, with all parties pledging mutual defense to each other. Whereas Hitler would never declare war on the United States no matter the provocation, the means to force Japan to do so were readily at hand. The first step was to place oil and steel embargoes on Japan, using Japan's wars on the Asian mainland as a reason. This forced Japan to consider seizing the oil and mineral rich regions in Indonesia. With the European powers militarily exhausted by the war in Europe, the United States was the only power in the Pacific able to stop Japan from invading the Dutch East Indies, and by moving the Pacific fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, Roosevelt made a pre-emptive strike on that fleet the mandatory first step in any Japanese plan to extend it's empire into the "southern resource area".
Roosevelt boxed in Japan just as completely as Crassus had boxed in Spartacus. Japan needed oil. They had to invade Indonesia to get it, and to do that they first had to remove the threat of the American fleet at Pearl Harbor. There never really was any other course open to them.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>To enrage the American people as much as possible, Roosevelt needed the first overt attack by Japan to be as bloody as possible, appearing as a sneak attack much as the Japanese had done to the Russians. From that moment up until the attack on Pearl Harbor itself, Roosevelt and his associates made sure that the commanders in Hawaii, General Short and Admiral Kimmel, were kept in the dark as much as possible about the location of the Japanese fleet and it's intentions, then later scapegoated for the attack. (Congress recently exonerated both Short and Kimmel, posthumously restoring them to their former ranks). </td> <td>
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>But as the Army board had concluded at the time, and subsequent de-classified documents confirmed, Washington DC knew the attack was coming, knew exactly where the Japanese fleet was, and knew where it was headed. On November 29th, Secretary of State Hull showed United Press reporter Joe Leib a message with the time and place of the attack, and the New York Times in it's special 12/8/41 Pearl Harbor edition, on page 13, reported that the time and place of the attack had been known in advance!
The much repeated claim that the Japanese fleet maintained radio silence on it's way to Hawaii was a lie. Among other intercepts still held in the Archives of the NSA is the UNCODED message sent by the Japanese tanker Shirya stating, "proceeding to a position 30.00 N, 154.20 E. Expect to arrive at that point on 3 December." (near HI)
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</td> <td>President Lyndon Johnson wanted a war in Vietnam. He wanted it to help his friends who owned defense companies to do a little business. He needed it to get the Pentagon and CIA to quit trying to invade Cuba. And most of all, he needed a provocation to convince the American people that there was really "no other choice". On August 5, 1964, newspapers across America reported "renewed attacks" against American destroyers operating in Vietnamese waters, specifically the Gulf of Tonkin. The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an "unprovoked attack" on the USS Maddox while it was on "routine patrol".
The truth is that USS Maddox was involved in aggressive intelligence gathering in coordination with actual attacks by South Vietnam and the Laotian Air Force against targets in North Vietnam. The truth is also that there was no attack by torpedo boats against the USS Maddox. Captain John J. Herrick, the task force commander in the Gulf, cabled Washington DC that the report was the result of an "over-eager" sonar man who had picked up the sounds of his own ship's screws and panicked. But even with this knowledge that the report was false, Lyndon Johnson went on national TV that night to announce the commencement of air strikes against North Vietnam, "retaliation" for an attack that had never occurred.
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</td> <td>President George H. W. Bush wanted a war in Iraq. Like Crassus, George Bush is motivated by money. Specifically oil money. But with the OPEC alliance failing to keep limits on oil production in the Mideast, the market was being glutted with oil pumped from underneath Iraq, which sat over roughly 1/3 of the oil reserves of the entire region. </td></tr></tbody></table></center>​
<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>George wanted a war to stop that flow of oil, to keep prices (and profits) from falling any further than they already had. But like Roosevelt, he needed the "other side" to make the first move. Iraq had long been trying to acquire greater access to the Persian Gulf, and felt limited confined a narrow strip of land along Kuwait's northern border, which placed Iraqi interests in close proximity with hostile Iran. George Bush, who had been covertly arming Iraq during its war with Iran, sent word via April Glaspie that the United States would not intervene if Saddam Hussein grabbed a larger part of Kuwait. Saddam fell for the bait and invaded.
Of course, Americans were not about to send their sons and daughters to risk their lives for petroleum products. So George Bush arranged a hoax, using a public relations firm which has grown rich on taxpayer money by being most industrious and creative liars! The PR firm concocted a monumental fraud in which the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States, went on TV pretending to be a nurse, and related a horror story in which Iraqi troops looted the incubators from a Kuwaiti hospital, leaving the premature babies on the cold floor to die. The media, part of the swindle from the start, never bothered asking why the "nurse" didn't just pick the babies up and wrap them in blankets or something.
Enraged by the incubator story, Americans supported operation Desert Storm, which never removed Saddam Hussein from power but which did take Kuwait's oil off of the market for almost 2 years and limited Iraq's oil exports to this very day. That our sons and daughters came home with serious and lingering medical illnesses was apparently not too great a price to pay for increased oil profits.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>Following the victory in Iraq, yet another war appeared to be in the offering in the mineral rich regions of Bosnia. Yet again, a hoax was used to create support for military action. The photo (right) of Fikret Alic staring through a barbed wire fence, was used to "prove" the existence of modern day "Concentration Camps". As the headline of "Belsen 92" indicates, all possible associations with the Nazi horrors were made to sell the necessity of sending yet more American troops into someone else's nation.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>But when German Journalists went to Trnopolje, the site of the supposed Concentration Camp. to film a documentary, they discovered that the photo was a fake! The camp at Trnopolje was not a concentration camp but a refugee center. Nor was it surrounded by barbed wire. Careful examination of the original photo revealed that the photographer had shot the photo through a broken section of fence surrounding a tool shed. It was the photographer who was on the inside, shooting out at the refugees. Once again, Americans had been hoaxed into support of actions they might otherwise not have agreed with.
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>While several American Presidents have willingly started wars for personal purposes, perhaps no President has ever carried it to the extreme that Bill Clinton has. Coincident with the expected public statement of Monica Lewinsky following her testimony, Bill Clinton ordered a cruise missile attack on Sudan and Afghanistan, claiming to have had irrefutable proof that bogeyman extraordinaire (and former Afghani ally) Osama Bin Ladin was creating terrorist chemical weapons there.
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</td> <td>Examination of the photos of the debris revealed none of the expected structures one would find in a laboratory that handled lethal weapons-grade materials. Assurances from the CIA that they had a positive soil test for biological weapons fell on their face when it was revealed that there had been no open soil anywhere near the pre-bombed facility. Sudan requested that international observers come test the remains of the factory for any signs of the nerve gas Clinton had insisted was there. None was found. The Sudanese plant was a harmless aspirin factory, and the owner has sued for damages.</td></tr></tbody></table></center>​
Later examination of the site hit in Afghanistan revealed it to be a mosque.​
<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>Meanwhile, back in Kosovo, stories about genocide and atrocities were flooding the media (in time to distract from the Sudanese embarrassments), just as lurid and sensational and as it turns out often just as fictional as most of William Randolph Hearst's stories of atrocities against the Cubans. Again, the government and the media were hoaxing Americans. The above photo was shown on all the American networks, claiming to be one of Slobodan Milosovic's Migs, shot down while attacking civilians. Closer examination (click on the photo) shows it to be stenciled in English!
Like Germany under Chancellor Hitler, there have been events in our nation which strike fear into the hearts of the citizens, such as the New York World Trade Tower bombing, the OK City Federal Building, and the Olympic Park bomb (nicely timed to divert the media from witnesses to the TWA 800 shoot down). The media has been very quick to blame such events on "radicals", "subversives", "vast right wing conspiracies", and other "enemies in our midst", no different than the lies used by Cicero and Hitler.
But on closer examination, such "domestic terrorist" events do not appear to be what they are made out to be. The FBI had an informant inside the World Trade Tower bombers, Emad Salam, who offered to sabotage the bomb. The FBI told him "no". The so-called "hot bed" of white separatism at Elohim City, occasional home to Tim McVeigh in the weeks prior to the OK City bombing, was founded and is being run by an FBI informant!
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<center> <table border="0" cellpadding="7" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td>And nobody has ever really explained what this second Ryder truck was doing in a secret camp half way from Elohim City to Oklahoma City two weeks before the bombing. So, here we are today. Like the Romans of Crassus' and Cicero's time, or the Germans under a newly elected Hitler, we are being warned that a dangerous enemy threatens us, implacable, invisible, omnipresent, and invulnerable as long as our government is hamstrung by that silly old Bill of Rights. Already there have appeared articles debating whether or not "extraordinary measures" (i.e. torture) are not fully justified under certain circumstances such as those we are purported to face.
As was the case in Rome and Germany, the government continues to plead with the public for an expansion of its power and authority, to "deal with the crisis".
However, as Casio watch timers are paraded before the cameras, to the stentorian tones of the talking heads' constant dire warnings, it is legitimate to question just how real the crises is, and how much is the result of political machinations by our own leaders.
Are the terrorists really a threat, or just hired actors with bombs and Casio watches, paid for by Cicero and given brown shirts to wear by Hitler?
Is terrorism inside the United States really from outside, or is it a stage managed production, designed to cause Americans to believe they have no choice but to surrender the Republic and accept the totalitarian rule of a new emperor, or a new Fuhrer?
Once lost, the Romans never got their Republic back. Once lost, the Germans never got their Republic back. In both cases, the nation had to totally collapse before freedom was restored to the people.
Remember that when Crassus tells you that Spartacus approaches.
Remember that when thugs in the streets act in a manner clearly designed to provoke the public fear.
Remember that when the Reichstag burns down.
Remember that when the President lies to you about weapons of mass destruction.
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and pearl harbor didnt happen
we didn't land on the moon.
elvis is alive
so is tupac and biggie

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The attack on Pearl Harbor did happen, just as FDR wanted in order to launch America into WWI continued.

9/11 did happen, just as the Bush Administration wanted, launching America into a perpetual "War on Terra".
 
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to say our presidents let them happen borders on ludicrous.

for every person/expert/whathave you that says 9/11 was faked, buildings couldn't come down..no plane wreckage..whatever.
there is a person/expert/whathave you that can show how it did.

just like the scientist with global warming...for everyone that says it is happening there is one that does not.

however..

Unlike most leftwing nut jobs..(not you dawg)
most republicans have jobs and not all day to sit on the internet and read bs and concoct crazy stories and hypothesis
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Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

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to say our presidents let them happen borders on ludicrous.

for every person/expert/whathave you that says 9/11 was faked, buildings couldn't come down..no plane wreckage..whatever.
there is a person/expert/whathave you that can show how it did.

just like the scientist with global warming...for everyone that says it is happening there is one that does not.

however..

Unlike most leftwing nut jobs..(not you dawg)
most republicans have jobs and not all day to sit on the internet and read bs and concoct crazy stories and hypothesis
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FDR wanted to get into WWI continued because he knew it was the only true way to bring America out of the depression.

Bush and company knew the only way to stay in power was to create yet another horrible bogeyman that is "gonna get ya" unless you let us protect you.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
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Really?

The Right is so desperate they used Popular Mechanics as a source that
proved 9-11 really happened ...

How did #7 drop when no plane hit the building?
Where are the wings and tail section and damage to the front lawn
of the Pentagon?
Why was Cheney running NORAD and where were our fighter jets since
Payne Stewarts CESNA goes off course and fighter jets immediately
scrambled?
How did cell calls connect from heights of 30,000 feet when the technology
did not exsist until 2004?
How is it that Todd "lets roll" Beamer shows up in the SS Death Index in
1997?
How are no Arabs on any of the Passenger Lists or Morque reports?
Marvin Bush ... his company involved in WTC security up to the morning of
9-11
How did BUSHCO pin point so quickly who the HiJackers were ?
We attacked Afghanistan and Iraq ... 15 of the "alleged" hijackers were from Saudi Arabia?
How did #1 and #2 drop straight down like #7? Jet fuel maxes out at half the required heat to melt steel beams ...
How did one of the Passports of one of the "alleged" hijackers survive the fires inside the WTC ... float outside for 2 blocks and just happen to be
found by one of Bernie Kerik's goons?
How did the WTC report 23 minutes ahead of time on #2 dropping?
How did Giulani know ahead of time and make live comments that #1 would drop?

SURE .... LOT OF "ANSWERED" QUESTIONS BY OUR GOVT
 
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KT, not even you can deny that 9/11 presented the Bush administration the ideal situation for their term in office.
 

roscoe

EOG Veteran
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

your giving bush way to much credit!
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
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Cheney is the evil bastard Mastermind ....

On May 8, 2001 - four months prior to 9/11 - the president placed Dick Cheney in charge of "[A]ll federal programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management within the Departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, and other federal agencies?" This included all "training and planning" which needed to be "seamlessly integrated, harmonious and comprehensive" in order to "maximize effectiveness." This mandate created the Office of National Preparedness in FEMA, overseen by Dick Cheney.

Dick Cheney was placed directly in charge of managing the seamless integration of all training exercises throughout the entire federal government and all military agencies. On 9/11 Cheney oversaw multiple war games and terror drills, including several exercises of NORAD, the Air Force agency whose mandate is to "watch the sky."


The evening before September 11th, 2001, the National Security Agency intercepted a communication between Khalid Shaikh Muhammad and the alleged ringleader of the 9/11 attacks, Mohammed Atta. The communication stated, "The match is about to begin."

Were they "matching" their activities to the war games? Was the attack a rigged "match" between the defenders on one side, and the attackers with their accomplices on the other?


The Whitehouse was so infuriated when this communication leaked from the Senate Intelligence Committee that they threatened Senators with polygraphs and office searches for disclosing classified information. This leak struck a nerve within the Whitehouse.


We know multiple Air Force war games were running on the morning of 9/11, as documented extensively in the mainstream press. 16 What Crossing the Rubicon has documented conclusively is that there was a live-fly drill taking place on 9/11 titled Vigilant Warrior. Richard Clarke disclosed the name of this drill on page 4 of his book, but it was Major Don Arias of NORAD who confirmed the definition of the title "Warrior" to Mike Ruppert via email.
Warrior = JCS/HQ NORAD sponsored FTX, or field training exercise (live-fly).

That means that the Vigilant Warrior drill conducted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff involved at least one real commercial aircraft in the skies, intended to simulate exactly the kind of airliner hijack emergency presented on 9/11. Coincidence?


This was further supported by an April 18 2004 USA Today article titled, "NORAD had drills of jets as weapons." The report cited NORAD officials who confirmed live-fly drills were conducted using hijacked airliners originating from the continental United States used as weapons crashing into targets including the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The specific drill USA Today referred to was "planned in July [2001] and conducted later" - likely on 9/11 itself.


Remember, on 9/11 the Bush administration claimed it had "no idea" aircraft would be used as weapons. Then why were they drilling such scenarios before and during 9/11? The Whitehouse dodged this by saying it wasn't aware of these drills but that is a transparent lie. The drills took place in the Whitehouse!
 

roscoe

EOG Veteran
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

dawg, if bush was willing to sacrifice 3000 american citizens.to start a war in iraq, don't you think he would plant a few wmds for good measure!
 
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

FDR wanted to get into WWI continued because he knew it was the only true way to bring America out of the depression.

Bush and company knew the only way to stay in power was to create yet another horrible bogeyman that is "gonna get ya" unless you let us protect you.

OT and a hijack: Dawg, I know you meant WWII; FDR wanted us in because he knew that America's entry would eventually lead to an allied victory. Without the "Arsenal of Democracy" the prospects could have been characterized as "not so much." Once the allies had lost, FDR also knew that America's prospects of fending off a Germany that had the assets of Europe at its disposal would have been a close call. Ergo, the best strategy for America's long-term interest was to jump in with the allied effort before they lost. As you know, the Germans were very, very good at warfare. They had a legitimate shot at victory even after the strategic blunder of Operation Barbarossa. Mother Russia and General Winter could easily have lost without our incredible supply effort, which would not have happened without our entry. . . .
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

Bush is too strung out on Meds to have been the brains behind this
operation ....

this was Cheney's baby .... Bush is a front show Puppet for this Administration

Roscoe ... remember how Cheney was "selected" as VP? HE CHOOSE HIMSELF PARTNER !!!

Remember the name UNOCAL as the Taliban stiffed Bush / Cheney on a pipeline deal that would run thru Afghanistan ....
 

roscoe

EOG Veteran
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

was fdr willing to sacrifice 2500 servicemen and 75% of our navy to get us into world war II?
 
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

was fdr willing to sacrifice 2500 servicemen and 75% of our navy to get us into world war II?

That's the big question, isn't it, Roscoe. . .I'm very cynical; conspiracies are only as strong as their weakest link. Like all Americans, I hope that our President would not be so Machiavellian. I've often wondered about the "fortunate" circumstance that ALL the Pacific Fleet carriers were at sea during the Pearl Harbor attack (though the Enterprise was supposed to have made port on Saturday night). But realize, the U.S. Navy brass at that time still believed that the battleship was the queen of battle, so arguably, any foreknowledge of an impending attack would not have left eight battleships sitting at anchor without steam. . . .
 
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

<TABLE id=HB_Mail_Container height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0 UNSELECTABLE="on"><TBODY><TR height="100%" width="100%" UNSELECTABLE="on"><TD id=HB_Focus_Element vAlign=top width="100%" background="" height=250 UNSELECTABLE="off">NO I really do not believe that 9/11 kept Bush in power and I do not believe that he would willingly allow the attack to happen and kill 3000 civilians.

it amazes me that people think the prez could pull this off and then at the same time say he is dense.
ok now its cheneys baby.....

so now my question anti and fellow lefty nuts

you think your democratic congress had no knowledge of this then if cheney pulled it off.....just him..
no senator or rep knew nothing.....
oh if so that might just include ummmmmm wait for it..
who was in office on demo side that is running..


wait for it.
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DimeDR

Banned
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

* willing to sacrifice 2500 at PH or 3K at wtcs, look how many more died after that, it was collateral damage, they could not care less ...

* hitler shoulda gone to school on NAPPY's blunder of trying the same terrain ...

* great post RD, you are saying all the right things, prob is sometimes it all YANG ... a teacher can lead a student to the door, but the pupil must cross the threshold on his own ...

* its ironic, the first time i saw kevin barret i thought he was crazy, now i corresponged with him and realize he knew the TRUTH long before 99.99999999999999999999999999999999% of this nation wised up
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

Amazing folks have no clue that False Terror Ops go back to 70 AD

this was all outlined by Wolfowitz and the PNAC agenda ....

Why does one look at Bush and see no real "hurt" in his face on the
day of 9-11?

He was far from sad ... and ghees ... with the needed "Pearl Harbor"
delivered with Perfection why would he be sad?

Bush and Cheney are 2 bastards I would pay money to see being lined
up and executed for war crimes
 
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

OT and a hijack: Dawg, I know you meant WWII; FDR wanted us in because he knew that America's entry would eventually lead to an allied victory. Without the "Arsenal of Democracy" the prospects could have been characterized as "not so much." Once the allies had lost, FDR also knew that America's prospects of fending off a Germany that had the assets of Europe at its disposal would have been a close call. Ergo, the best strategy for America's long-term interest was to jump in with the allied effort before they lost. As you know, the Germans were very, very good at warfare. They had a legitimate shot at victory even after the strategic blunder of Operation Barbarossa. Mother Russia and General Winter could easily have lost without our incredible supply effort, which would not have happened without our entry. . . .


No, 4625, I did not mean WWII... I MEANT WWI continued. WWI settled nothing and was simply continued in 1939.

If that was the case, then FDR could have easily went to congress and asked for a declaration of war upon Germany, however, he did not. Germany and Italy declared war upon The United States after the US declared war upon Japan, after the attack on Pearl Harbor.
 
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

dawg, if bush was willing to sacrifice 3000 american citizens.to start a war in iraq, don't you think he would plant a few wmds for good measure!

Why?

The IDEA that Iraq had WMD's was already planted and the invasion and occupation had already begun. The actual FINDING of WMD's became a moot point.
 
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

<table id="HB_Mail_Container" unselectable="on" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" height="100%" width="100%"><tbody><tr width="100%" unselectable="on" height="100%"><td id="HB_Focus_Element" unselectable="off" background="" height="250" valign="top" width="100%">NO I really do not believe that 9/11 kept Bush in power and I do not believe that he would willingly allow the attack to happen and kill 3000 civilians.

it amazes me that people think the prez could pull this off and then at the same time say he is dense.
ok now its cheneys baby.....

so now my question anti and fellow lefty nuts

you think your democratic congress had no knowledge of this then if cheney pulled it off.....just him..
no senator or rep knew nothing.....
oh if so that might just include ummmmmm wait for it..
who was in office on demo side that is running..


wait for it.
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Waiting and allowing something to happen is much different than "pulling it off".

The warnings were there, however, they were systematically IGNORED.
 
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

was fdr willing to sacrifice 2500 servicemen and 75% of our navy to get us into world war II?

Roscoe,

You need to understand something about the military. The military is a pawn of the government to be used at the government's discretion. If that means being sacrificed, it means being sacrificed.
 

cassiusclay

EOG Master
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

Jesse Ventura was on Howard Stern this morning, interesting dude.
 

roscoe

EOG Veteran
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

Why?

The IDEA that Iraq had WMD's was already planted and the invasion and occupation had already begun. The actual FINDING of WMD's became a moot point.
it wasn't moot to bushes aproval rating or the popularity of the war!
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

Dawg:

Re-elected is a stretch .... more like "assisted" by O'Dell and Diebold
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: New Rules: Don't Talk About 9/11 Until You Learn Some BASIC History

BatWoman:

REALLY? get familiar with Wally O'Dell, the video of Deibold machines on FOX
NEWS showing how they were hacked and Smart Tech servers


Do that .... then come back and you can converse on an adult level unlike
your 3rd grade Neo Nazi level
 
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