Wisconsin Looms Large Tomorrow

Jeff Jones

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As poorly as we do at picking sporting events, you might think we could pick one political race.

We are really dealing with a state that gets no pub other than Green Bay, Brett Favre, and goofy cheesehead hats.

But Wisconsin is the only show in town tomorrow. (Or today, in the Eastern time zone.)

Barack wins, that pretty much decides it. Hillary wins, and we have a race again.

Tuesday entertainment abounds. (And that's even before EOG!)
 
MCP

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Re: Wisconsin Looms Large Tomorrow

um no. tomorrow is irrelevant if hilary takes texas and ohio on the 4th
 
Jeff Jones

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Well MCP, no..

Hill needs Wisconsin and Texas, and Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and any other planet she can get. She be in trouble.

These states from now on divide delegates. There is no more "taking" a state. The candidates just divide (not even fairly) the delegates win or lose.. Texas is particulary funky, as some delegates are decided in a primary, and that is followed up by a caucus for the rest.

It's a good time to be Obama.
 
d ray

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i agree with you jeff, if clinton loses tomorrow it will be tough to catch him. yeah, the % break up of delegates doesn't help whoever's in 2nd.

i'll be voting for barack
 
dirty

dirty

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and Obama has brought it to a dead heat and even ahead in some polls in Texas
 
scrimmage

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Re: Wisconsin Looms Large Tomorrow

Idealism is nice,but ultimately it doesn't matter if Obama wins tomorrow,and in November, when the biggest beneficiaries are the ones with the deepest pockets.

Add the "National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank" to the Global Poverty Act" as 2 money making schemes that will funnel $$$ to Obama's elite backers.

Voting,for whomever, won't change anything as the major decisions are made outside the official political systems loop.

All of the remaining candidates Clinton,McCain,and Obama are tools of the various globalist organizations[Council on Foreign Relations,Trilateral Commission,The Bilderberger Group,The UN, etc.], through which the future's development agenda is set in motion.

Any differences between the 3 are merely cosmetic,it's understood they'll all do what's necessary,that's how they got where they are.

FYI:
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Barak Obama Fronts Wall Street's Infrastructure ​

Swindle - What Change Really Means​

By Bruce Marshall​

17/02/08 "ICH" -- -- Do not be fooled! Barak Obama's call for National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank (NIRB) does not signal the return of the Democratic Party to the values of FDR and a revival of the Constitutional prerogative to 'promote the general welfare', but would rather provide more welfare for Wall Street and worse. Obama's plan is nothing more than the direct means of instituting the Rohatyn-Rudman National Investment Corporation (NIC) plan called for in 2005, which in essence is a revival of Mussolini's methods of corporatist control of the state in a politically correct post modern fashion..​

When Senator Obama states that his National Investment Reinvestment Bank will magically turn $60 billion into trillions of dollars as he did in his Feb 13th Jamesville, WI speech, one can easily realize that the only way that this can happen is through the perverse magic of Wall Street. What would happen is that bonds floated by the NIRB will be bought on the open market, to then be speculated upon, securitized as derivatives, traded and ultimately used as collateral on the newly built infrastructure. What we will see is the emergence of an infrastructure bubble to replace the mortgage bubble, propped up by initial government expenditures towards infrastructure. This is just the start as Obama will fund the feel good 'carbon credit' swap to be the next blast of hot air to make Wall Street giddy. This is a key insight to a true understanding of what is going on. Bailout the financial powers with a clever plan that will raise money to then buy up hard assets, in other words the remaining wealth of our nation, as the meltdown crisis of over a quadrillion in derivatives losses grows and grows..​

Besides artificially propping up the markets, Obama's NIRB, as an initiation of the Rohatyn/Rudman infrastructure investment model, opens the door to the privatization of public assets. International predators and asset-strippers want to buy up public highways and impose cutthroat tolls, as they are already doing in many states. Then they run the turnpikes into the ground as cash cows while they mercilessly bilk the users. Privatization is a key goal of the Anglo-American financiers behind this scheme. Both the NIC and NIRB rely on the new darling of the markets, PPPs, known as public private partnerships. PPPs are the means by which market forces will dictate, and that is the word, the implementation of these projects. The argument is that the PPP will keep costs down, but in reality only because the private corporations, now controlling the public sector, will own the assets of what is being constructed. The PPP model is none other than the model implemented by Mussolini in his fascist corporate state. The creation of NIRB funds hark back to Hjalmar Schact's 'MEFO' bills that created the speculative bubble of money so that the National Socialists could rearm Germany and fight World War II..​

Since 9/11 America has certainly turned into a top-down police state, but true post-modern fascism requires a popular movement to usher it into power. Bush has created a dictatorship out of the Presidency, now the next step towards fascism is being marketed to exploit the desire for change. The depressed national mood, due to the war and economic recession/depression has compromised sane reasoning and courageous opposition needed now more than ever. This has created the conditions for a newcomer to magically appear with a message of hope, using the mantra 'Change', wrapped in a swooning fever that has infected the young and left liberal excuse machines, such as 'Move On' who were never serious about stopping Bush/ Cheney and the war.​

Since he passed his audition at the Democratic convention in 2004, Senator Obama has been taken over by George Soros and other hedge fund millionaires to launch a campaign out of nowhere, based on nothing but rhetoric and Wall Street millions. As darling of the rich elitist Kennedy/Kerry/Dean wing of the Democratic Party, Obama's pseudo-Camelot will deliver Wall Street and the Anglo-American financiers the goods while disguised in a patina of racial teflon and faux populism from the upper crust. For substance ask, where is the bill in the Senate by Kennedy/Kerry/Obama calling for a freeze on all foreclosures? Where's their filibuster against the war? Where is a real minimumn wage in the form of a living wage? Where is impeachment of Bush-Cheney? Why did Senator Obama move against raising heating oil assistance to the poor in the recent spending bill?​

The answer to this last question, besides Rohatyn, is Obama's top economics controller, Austan Goolsbee, a sinister Skull & Bones, Friedmanite Chicago School free trade/free market economist who has delivered the real answer to the question of the difference between Senator Obama and Senator Clinton. Goolsbee stated on CNBC that Obama is more market friendly ­ more in the pocket of Wall Street. This is precisely the establishment's secret fear of Hillary Clinton that she might act as her heroine Eleanor Roosevelt, to implement a post modern New Deal that would oppose austerity measures against programs that help the poor. That she would fund essential public services, like hospitals and schools, and provide universal health care available to all. The greatest fear is that she might act like FDR to now start regulating the markets starting with a 1% Tobin tax which could eliminate the income tax burden for everyone earning less than $125,000 year with plenty of money to fund the basic social programs of a civilized and truly decent society.​

Now Obama, with economic advisers such as David Cutler, who believes that rising health care prices are good for the economy, and Jeffrey Liebman, who wants to partially privatize social security, you see that Obama's MBAs will be quite good at implementing the vision of the Democratic godfather Felix Rohatyn (ex-Lazard Freres) and Republican Warren Rudman, an proponent of savage austerity and the wrecking of entitlements.. Their obsession with balanced budgets, privatization, and asset stripping will be given new cover as the United States is dissolved into one great corporatist PPP.​

Yes, we do need infrastructure, but the reason we have an infrastructure crisis is because people like Rudman and Rohatyn have influenced thinking against infrastructure projects because it would get in the way of their balanced budget mania and plans to loot the economy. Now they have a new solution and salesman. Watch out!​

Remember it was Rudman who was a key figure in the conservative revolution around Gingrich. The nefarious interest of Rohatyn is even more sinister considering that this is the fellow who was part of the international team supporting fascist dictator Augusto Pinochet, where Rohatyn's social security privatization scheme was first tried. Soon a limited revised version of social security privatization will be introduced by Obama when an alarm is pulled by Wall Street during a Obama Presidency. In the 1970's Rohatyn became the actual dictator of New York City under Big Mac (the 1975 Municipal Assistance Corporation), trumping the city government, as a financial czar who cared more about the city's bond rating than lives, cutting essential services, including many inner-city hospitals in a mad example of a PPP. Rohatyn, who is also recognized as the money bags behind the pro-Obama Democratic Leadership Council, is also a big proponent of military privatization which is another step towards feudal fascism. No wonder the Democrats have not stopped the war; it is good for their business arrangements too.​

While Senator Obama says that he will stop the war and use that money to initially finance the NIRB and his green initiatives, this will do nothing to stop the speculative forces that are causing the present hyperinflationary bubble. Will Obama stand up to the speculators whose gambling is responsible for up to 40% of the price of every gallon of gasoline? Not likely.​

Sure the NIRB will create some low-wage jobs, but the PPP arrangement will make certain that organized labor does not get assertive about living wages and benefits, all the while private companies welcome a work force of illegal immigrants who will do much of the work for virtual slave wages as is already the case.​

So, what is to be done? First, we need a real debate towards electing a President and Congress who will confront the crisis, the real issues surrounding the present meltdown of the derivatives bubble and what that means for the entire economy. The sub-prime mortgage collapse is the tip of the iceberg. If Obama prevails, Americans will find that like the SS Titanic, the USA does not carry enough life boats that are not already owned by the bankers. Congress must come to reassert its constitutionally mandated sovereignty, by taking steps to federalize the Federal Reserve, regulate the markets, save the essential banking interests of the people, and then create the money with which to create honest investment into our nation's infrastructure to thus promote the general welfare of all.​

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Soros, Brzezinski, Rohjatyn,Rudman Running Obama
 
munson15

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Re: Wisconsin Looms Large Tomorrow

I agree with MCP, Hilary was supposed to get drummed in Wisconsin. She has only recently campaigned in earnest there because they saw a chance to possibly steal a state that looked lost. She can lose Wisconsin and still win, no question. Bigger news would be if she won tonight, then momentum could switch back to her in time for the big states in 2 weeks.
 
munson15

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zerocage said:
hillary done
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Not so fast, cage. This won't be over until at least 3/4. They are just starting to sling the mud, and if Hilary stays close enough to keep all those superdelegates in play, who do you think will be a more effective lobbier than Bubba?
 
OSUCOWBOYS

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People are paying NO attention to the Super Delegates. They probably shouldnt though, there are only almost 800 of them.:rolleyes:
 
d ray

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OSUCOWBOYS said:
People are paying NO attention to the Super Delegates. They probably shouldnt though, there are only almost 800 of them.:rolleyes:
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and those mean nothing until august, Obama has already got some to change their minds.



scrimmage, you can put whatever article up there that someone else wrote, (not even your own thoughts), and if you still think wisconsin doesn't matter you should get your head x-rayed.
 
munson15

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d ray said:
and those mean nothing until august, Obama has already got some to change their minds.



scrimmage, you can put whatever article up there that someone else wrote, (not even your own thoughts), and if you still think wisconsin doesn't matter you should get your head x-rayed.
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I agree that today's vote is important, but it doesn't end the race either way.
 
d ray

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munson15 said:
I agree that today's vote is important, but it doesn't end the race either way.
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i agree, but the longer this goes with obama leadin, and winning states, the less likely clinton can win. she's not supposed to be behind right now, which i think is great.

i truely believe the super delegates mean nothing right now.

and to add to wisconsin doesn't mean anything arguement, why was she her yesterday then?
 
OSUCOWBOYS

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d ray said:
i agree, but the longer this goes with obama leadin, and winning states, the less likely clinton can win. she's not supposed to be behind right now, which i think is great.

i truely believe the super delegates mean nothing right now.

and to add to wisconsin doesn't mean anything arguement, why was she her yesterday then?
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Why would they mean anything? They only account for 19% of the total delegate count. Wisconsin and their whopping 74 delegates are sure to decide this election.
 
d ray

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OSUCOWBOYS said:
Why would they mean anything? They only account for 19% of the total delegate count. Wisconsin and their whopping 74 delegates are sure to decide this election.
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they aren't cast until august, right now they mean nothing
 
OSUCOWBOYS

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Re: Wisconsin Looms Large Tomorrow

There is a great chance they will determine the next Democratic Nominee. I consider that very important.
 
d ray

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OSUCOWBOYS said:
There is a great chance they will determine the next Democratic Nominee. I consider that very important.
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i agree, but until august they are meaningless. some have changed from clinton to obama the past weeks, they are allowed to change their minds until august. If you don't think they change their minds until then, i strongly disagree. no one thought obama would be ahead right now, and the longer he is, the more of a chance people reconsider their position. especially states with early caucuses and primaries. so is wisconsin important, hell yes it is, obama wins, it's more momentum and more people reconsidering. Already seen superdelegates from Georgia, NJ, and iowa switch from clinton to obama. and others switch from clinton to uncommitted.
 
munson15

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d ray said:
to add to wisconsin doesn't mean anything arguement, why was she her yesterday then?
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I touched on this earlier. Clinton's initial strategy was to skip Wiscy because it looked solid for Obama, and spend her time and money in Texas and Ohio. That changed when recent polls showed the Badger State race tightening, and the Clinton people saw an opportunity to possibly steal Wisconsin with a late charge. We'll see if that decision to campaign in Wisconsin was wise tonight.
 
Seymour

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Actually, Wisconsin is absolutely meaningless other than momentum - if Hillary wins Texas, Ohio and PA - then it's a done deal for Hillary.
 
munson15

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Seymour said:
Actually, Wisconsin is absolutely meaningless other than momentum - if Hillary wins Texas, Ohio and PA - then it's a done deal for Hillary.
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Not true, Seymour. Momentum is everything in swaying undecided voters in the other states, not to mention contributors. They all want to back a winner, and if Obama wins Wisconsin, the winning streak of states he'll have will be a big factor. If Hilary wins tonight, she'll have broken through in a state he was strong in, and give her backers reason to believe that big-state wins in 2 weeks will propel her to the nomination. Huge stakes tonight, IMO.
 
Seymour

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munson15 said:
Not true, Seymour. Momentum is everything in swaying undecided voters in the other states, not to mention contributors. They all want to back a winner, and if Obama wins Wisconsin, the winning streak of states he'll have will be a big factor. If Hilary wins tonight, she'll have broken through in a state he was strong in, and give her backers reason to believe that big-state wins in 2 weeks will propel her to the nomination. Huge stakes tonight, IMO.
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I clearly stated that momentum was a factor - the Beast was supposed to win Maine but lost - I'm sure this was momentum - polls show Texas being very close - but the actual delegate count from Wisconsin is meaningless - Beast needs TX, PA, and OH - I believe she has at least a small lead right now in all three - if she wins these three then the "yes, we can tour win" will die abruptly - if not - Anthony Robbins drives on.
 
munson15

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Seymour said:
I clearly stated that momentum was a factor - the Beast was supposed to win Maine but lost - I'm sure this was momentum - polls show Texas being very close - but the actual delegate count from Wisconsin is meaningless - Beast needs TX, PA, and OH - I believe she has at least a small lead right now in all three - if she wins these three then the "yes, we can tour win" will die abruptly - if not - Anthony Robbins drives on.
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Didn't mean to disparage your analysis, Seymour. It's an interesting race in many ways. I still think if Beast wins Texas and EITHER Ohio or PA, she lives to fight another day.
 
dirty

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Exit Polls: Voters Seek 'Change' in Wisconsin

Women, Seniors Dominate Democratic Vote; White Men, Conservatives on GOP Side

ANALYSIS by GARY LANGER

Feb. 19, 2008 —

Preliminary exit poll results in the Wisconsin primaries underscore both differences and similarities between the two parties in the state.
Around nine in 10 voters, in both the Democratic and Republican contests, are white. But a substantial majority of Democratic voters are women, more than usual for a Wisconsin Democratic primary, while on the Republican side a substantial majority are men, considerably more than in most GOP primaries this year. (It'll take updated data to see if that comes out as a high for the cycle.)
In the Democratic race, nearly half the voters are liberals -- up from 2004.
Among Republican voters, six in 10 are conservatives. Both are in the mid-range for primaries this year.
The preliminary results also indicate that more seniors than usual are voting in the Democratic race -- up from their 2004 level, and also potentially a high for Democratic voters this cycle, though again it'll take final data later tonight to see that holds.
As in previous contests, the top issue for Democrats and Republicans alike is the economy -- around four in 10 call it the most important issue facing the country. (It's been considerably higher for Democrats in some other states.)
On candidate attributes, again as in the past, someone who can "bring about needed change" is tops by far for Democrats; among Republicans, as in previous primaries, it's someone who "shares my values."
Just over a third of GOP voters in these preliminary results identify themselves as evangelical Christians, about the norm for a non-Southern state this year.
Turnout by independents in the Republican race looks to be down from the last primary for which we have comparable data, in 1996.
In the Democratic contest, about four in 10 voters have college degrees -- another important factor in voting decisions this year. That's a bit under the norm in primaries so far.
In one further similarity, about one in 10 Democratic and Republican voters alike say they made their final decision today. At the other end of the spectrum, a third of Republicans, and nearly half of Democrats, say they decided more than a month ago.

Copyright ? 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures



ABC News: Exit Polls: Dems Seek 'Change' in Wisconsin
 
dirty

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92 Delegates are at stake tonight in Wisconsin


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Tuesday, February 19 | Delegates at Stake: 92

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- The Risk and Reward of Obama - Gerald Seib, Wall Street Journal
- Fresh Face Won't Be Enough vs. McCain - Marie Cocco, RealClearPolitics
- The Triumph of Narrative - Paul Waldman, The American Prospect
- Michelle Obama's America - Jonathan Last, Weekly Standard
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RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - Wisconsin Democratic Primary
 
munson15

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Re: Wisconsin Looms Large Tomorrow

dirty said:
Exit Polls: Voters Seek 'Change' in Wisconsin

Women, Seniors Dominate Democratic Vote; White Men, Conservatives on GOP Side

ANALYSIS by GARY LANGER

Feb. 19, 2008 ?

Preliminary exit poll results in the Wisconsin primaries underscore both differences and similarities between the two parties in the state.
Around nine in 10 voters, in both the Democratic and Republican contests, are white. But a substantial majority of Democratic voters are women, more than usual for a Wisconsin Democratic primary, while on the Republican side a substantial majority are men, considerably more than in most GOP primaries this year. (It'll take updated data to see if that comes out as a high for the cycle.)
In the Democratic race, nearly half the voters are liberals -- up from 2004.
Among Republican voters, six in 10 are conservatives. Both are in the mid-range for primaries this year.
The preliminary results also indicate that more seniors than usual are voting in the Democratic race -- up from their 2004 level, and also potentially a high for Democratic voters this cycle, though again it'll take final data later tonight to see that holds.
As in previous contests, the top issue for Democrats and Republicans alike is the economy -- around four in 10 call it the most important issue facing the country. (It's been considerably higher for Democrats in some other states.)
On candidate attributes, again as in the past, someone who can "bring about needed change" is tops by far for Democrats; among Republicans, as in previous primaries, it's someone who "shares my values."
Just over a third of GOP voters in these preliminary results identify themselves as evangelical Christians, about the norm for a non-Southern state this year.
Turnout by independents in the Republican race looks to be down from the last primary for which we have comparable data, in 1996.
In the Democratic contest, about four in 10 voters have college degrees -- another important factor in voting decisions this year. That's a bit under the norm in primaries so far.
In one further similarity, about one in 10 Democratic and Republican voters alike say they made their final decision today. At the other end of the spectrum, a third of Republicans, and nearly half of Democrats, say they decided more than a month ago.

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ABC News: Exit Polls: Dems Seek 'Change' in Wisconsin
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Women and seniors are Clinton's demographic. Should be interesting.
 
Jeff Jones

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Re: Wisconsin Looms Large Tomorrow

Forget the loss.

Hillary showed no graciousness in her speech at all after she lost tonight.

Does she not think Obama is going to killl her?
 
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EOG Veteran
Re: Wisconsin Looms Large Tomorrow

Wisconsin is a meaningful result for many reasons. Most importantly, he wins more delegates. this means that HC has to win Tex/Ohio/Penn and other states by even larger margins than she did as of last week.

Next, Obama demonstrates again that he can win a predominately white blue collar state. two months ago, HC was ahead by 20 pts in the polls in wisconsin. 3 days ago she was HOPING to close a gap that was against her. If you want to know a sign a campaign is in serious trouble- notice the number of slogan changes.

Finally, Texas is one very strange state for distributing democratic delegates. They reward, by giving out more delegates, to congressional districts that were won by the democratic nominee in 2004 and 2000. Those districts are in Houston, Austin, and Dallas. Those districts are Obama's home. HC can win the overall vote in Texas and not get as many delegates.
 
munson15

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Re: Wisconsin Looms Large Tomorrow

Jeff Jones said:
Forget the loss.

Hillary showed no graciousness in her speech at all after she lost tonight.

Does she not think Obama is going to killl her?
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I agree, she still sounds like she did a month ago when she was ahead. Somebody's got to grab her and let her know that the delegate count is not going well.
 
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EOG Master
Re: Wisconsin Looms Large Tomorrow

Jeff Jones said:
Forget the loss.

Hillary showed no graciousness in her speech at all after she lost tonight.

Does she not think Obama is going to killl her?
Click to expand...

munson15 said:
I agree, she still sounds like she did a month ago when she was ahead. Somebody's got to grab her and let her know that the delegate count is not going well.
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It is making her look like the cold Bitch she is.... She has yet to congratulate Obama on any of his wins in this stretch... It makes her look cold and callous and I believe the voters are getting turned off by her....She is becoming her own worst enemy
 
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EOG Master
Re: Wisconsin Looms Large Tomorrow

Primary Results: WISCONSIN

This page represents results, including delegate count, reported immediately after each state's contest.
How did you vote? How will you vote?Click here for past results and an in-depth look at the political landscape in the Senate, House, and Governor's offices around the nation from CQ Politics.

<!----> <table class="fulltable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="contentcell"> <table class="candidate" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="headrow"> <td colspan="5"> Estimated Delegates: 74
Democratic Primary Results

Tuesday, February 19
Real-time Race Results: Updated February 19, 2008 - 11:54 PM (all times Eastern Standard)
Precincts Reporting 85% </td> </tr> <tr class="labelrow"> <td class="name">Candidate</td><td class="data">Votes</td><td class="data">Vote %</td><td class="data">Delegates</td><td class="data">Projected Winner</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="name">Obama</td><td class="data">540,946</td><td class="data">58%</td><td class="data">35</td><td class="data">Winner</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="name">Clinton</td><td class="data">387,121</td><td class="data">41%</td><td class="data">26</td><td class="data">
</td> </tr> <tr class="endrow"> <td colspan="5">.</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="candidate" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="headrow"> <td colspan="5"> Estimated Delegates: 37
Republican Primary Results

Tuesday, February 19
Real-time Race Results: Updated February 19, 2008 - 11:53 PM (all times Eastern Standard)
Precincts Reporting 85% </td> </tr> <tr class="labelrow"> <td class="name">Candidate</td><td class="data">Votes</td><td class="data">Vote %</td><td class="data">Delegates</td><td class="data">Projected Winner</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="name">McCain</td><td class="data">191,253</td><td class="data">54%</td><td class="data">31</td><td class="data">Winner</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="name">Huckabee</td><td class="data">131,818</td><td class="data">37%</td><td class="data">0</td><td class="data">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="name">Paul</td><td class="data">16,248</td><td class="data">5%</td><td class="data">0</td><td class="data">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="name">Romney</td><td class="data">6,663</td><td class="data">2%</td><td class="data">0</td><td class="data">
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td><td class="stiltcell"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
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ABC News: Primary Results By State [IPB]
 
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Re: Wisconsin Looms Large Tomorrow

<tt><tt>

Wisconsin Exit Polls:
Obama Won:
Women (51-49)
All age groups under 65
All education levels
All regions of the state -- urban, suburban and rural
Voters without college degrees (50-48)
Democrats (50-49)
Whites (53-46)
White men (59-38)
Voters who decided in the last week (58-42)

Won or tied voters of all income levels
Tied among white women
Tied among union members
Tied among union households </tt></tt>
 
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