Books take big hit on whirlwind day

The Prophet

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Books take big hit on whirlwind day

Win by Giants deemed 'worst-case scenario'



All the amateurs come out to party on New Year's Eve, and all the amateurs come out to place their bets on Super Bowl Sunday.

It makes for two of the wildest days of the year in Las Vegas, and Sunday turned out to be one to remember.

In the days leading up to Super Bowl XLII, almost every "expert" who weighed in on the game picked the New England Patriots to roll over the New York Giants. :+textinb3

Even most professional handicappers and wiseguys were siding with the Patriots as 12-point favorites. They were 18-0, and how could they lose to a Giants team that lost six regular-season games?

No way Eli Manning and Tom Coughlin could beat Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, right?

The "experts" got it wrong, the amateurs got it right, and the sports books got hammered as the underdog Giants won 17-14. :houra

I toured seven books Sunday to get a feel for the atmosphere and gauge public opinion. Here is the day's play-by-play:

10:07 a.m. -- I answer a phone call from my friend Brooke, who never placed an NFL bet before this season. She loves the Giants and just placed her largest wager of the season on them at plus-12.

11:02 a.m. -- The four-hour pregame show starts on Fox. Terry Bradshaw, Howie Long and Jimmy Johnson are talking. For some odd reason, Ryan Seacrest is nearby on a red carpet.

11:11 a.m. -- This pregame show is getting old.

11:14 a.m. -- We see Peyton Manning's first commercial. No proposition bets were posted for the total number of Manning commercials.

11:35 a.m. -- Dark skies, high winds and rain set the scene as I walk into the Red Rock Casino.

The sports book is standing-room only. A tall guy with long hair is wearing a Walter Payton jersey, and he is asked his opinion on the game.

"I think I would take the Giants and the points," he says. "That's a lot of points."

1:07 p.m. -- A middle-aged man wearing a Giants hat stands in the middle of the book at Sunset Station.

"I think it will be close," he says, "as long as Eli Manning doesn't make a bunch of mistakes. The Patriots will win a close one."

Another guy approaches sports book director Micah Roberts and asks the most ridiculous question of the day. He points at the TV screens and says, "Is the game going to be on in here?"

Roberts politely says "yes" and goes back to discussing the game. He points out that in the previous 41 Super Bowls, the underdog either won outright or the favorite covered 36 times. That means the favorite has won but not covered in only five Super Bowls.

"Everybody's got action on something going on in this game," says Roberts, who likes the Patriots to win big. "There's nothing like it."

1:56 p.m. -- On to the Downtown area, where I pass by two security guards smoking cigarettes outside the Gold Strike Casino.

"Who do you guys like in the game?" I ask.

"I like the Giants," says Fred the security guard. "If they can get in what's-his-name's face and keep him from throwing the ball, it'll be a good game. It won't be a blowout."

What's-his-name must be Brady. (Great analysis, it turns out.)

2:05 p.m. -- Inside the smoky Binion's sports book, three guys who could pass for The Three Stooges huddle up. The line has just been moved to 111/2. "The spread is shrinking," the ringleader says. "We should take the Giants."

His buddy, gripping a Bud Light bottle, shouts out his best bet: "Ten bucks on over 10 points in the first quarter."

2:22 p.m. -- Driving from Downtown and heading for the Wynn Las Vegas feels like crossing the border from Tijuana to San Diego.

2:37 p.m. -- A line of 48 people snakes through the Wynn book into the casino. Kickoff is less than an hour away.

The point spread is 12, and the total is 55.

Wynn sports book director John Avello has predicted the Patriots to win by 28, but he says, "My opinion on a game like this is never that strong. This is one game where you make a number and hope you get balanced action."

2:56 p.m. -- At the Riviera, every seat is occupied in the new Crazy Leroy's Sports Book Bar & Grill, but only one person is in line to bet.

As the Fox pregame show wraps up, Bradshaw, Long and Johnson pick the Patriots. Comedian Frank Caliendo goes with the Giants.

3:07 p.m. -- In an interview on ESPN Radio, Mike Ditka says, "I'm taking the Giants, 27-24."

3:17 p.m. -- I walk into the Las Vegas Hilton and immediately run into sports book director Jay Kornegay. Thirty minutes ago, he says, the betting windows were jammed. Now, with 16 windows open, no one is waiting, and several ticket writers are sitting idle.

"I always tell people, 'If you want to bet the Super Bowl, bet it two minutes before kickoff,' " Kornegay says.

About 3,000 people are in a Hilton ballroom to watch the game, and another 1,500 or so are in the theatre.

3:26 p.m. -- The Giants call tails on the coin flip, it comes up tails, and several fans celebrate a winning wager.

3:30 p.m. -- The game finally kicks off. The Giants' Brandon Jacobs goes for 3 yards on his first rushing attempt. The total on the prop for his first rush was 31/2 yards. Manning completes first pass, making "complete" the winning side at minus-175.

3:44 p.m. -- After a long drive, the Giants score on a 32-yard field goal by Lawrence Tynes.

3:50 p.m. -- Brady's first pass is incomplete; the line for "complete" opened as the minus-250 favorite.

3:58 p.m. -- Patriots running back Laurence Maroney is stopped at the 1-yard line on the last play of the first quarter. The Giants lead 3-0.

4:07 p.m. -- Brady's supermodel girlfriend, Gisele Bundchen, is shown sitting in a luxury suite. This is the first bad sign for the Patriots. We remember what happened with Tony Romo and Jessica Simpson.

4:27 p.m. -- Brady is sacked for the second time.

4:55 p.m. -- The Patriots lead 7-3 at halftime. The halftime line is posted at the Palms sports book; the Patriots are favored by seven points, and the total is 26.

6:02 p.m. -- It's the end of a scoreless third quarter. There is a prop that asks, Will at least one quarter be scoreless? "Yes" is plus-450.

6:39 p.m. -- Brady hits Randy Moss for a 6-yard touchdown pass, and the Patriots lead 14-10 with 2:42 left.

6:56 p.m. -- Manning hits Plaxico Burress for a 13-yard touchdown pass with 35 seconds remaining, and the Giants lead 17-14.

7:05 p.m. -- Brady's last pass falls incomplete. One of the biggest upsets in Super Bowl history hits the books hard.

8:02 p.m. -- MGM Mirage sports book director Robert Walker, who predicted the Patriots in a rout, assesses the damage.

"We got crushed on the game," he says. "The Giants winning outright was our worst-case scenario. We just needed the Patriots to win the game, and we would've been fine. There are a lot of happy customers out there."

Walker estimates tickets were written on the Giants at a 2-to-1 ratio on the point spread and a 30-to-1 ratio on the money line. The Giants were about plus-350 to win outright, meaning a $100 wager paid off $350. Some large money-line bets were on the Patriots, he says, but the public money overwhelmed the professional play.

Walker says business was "steady but not extraordinary," and he's unsure if the handle on the game will set a Nevada record and approach $100 million.

"I was really surprised the Giants were able to march down the field like that and win," Walker says. "I really thought the game was over when Moss scored that touchdown.

"I didn't like the Giants. I didn't think they had a chance."

He was not alone. But a lot of NFL handicapping "amateurs" were partying like it was New Year's Eve.


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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

Are you kidding me????? Real books CLEANED HOUSE. (Offshore and locals) Whoever wrote that article is full of shit. Two tickets cashed NYG +12ish and NYG +400. All others were trashed. NOT A TEASER OR PARLAY cashed yesterday. NONE. Every book I know is out shopping for a new car or new piece of property today. Trust me.
 

Thor4140

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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

find it hard to believe and how about all the people who took the Patriots on the MLine and there had to be a ton of them? MY book at two Oclock said he was getting crushed with Patriot money. At five he said it was getting worse with Patriot money. Then at six he said he finally got some Giants money but this will be bad if the Patriots cover.
 

Tuckman

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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

Are you kidding me????? Real books CLEANED HOUSE. (Offshore and locals) Whoever wrote that article is full of shit. Two tickets cashed NYG +12ish and NYG +400. All others were trashed. NOT A TEASER OR PARLAY cashed yesterday. NONE. Every book I know is out shopping for a new car or new piece of property today. Trust me.


where ya relocating to then :cocktail
 
Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

They will get it back.

Absolutely. And I think there's a lot they are not even discussing here. I am sure many people lost with the over, any teasers involving the Patriots or over are losers, many prop bets, etc. And for anyone who did win anything, I am sure a percentage of that has already been lost back on something else.
 

Thor4140

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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

Are you kidding me????? Real books CLEANED HOUSE. (Offshore and locals) Whoever wrote that article is full of shit. Two tickets cashed NYG +12ish and NYG +400. All others were trashed. NOT A TEASER OR PARLAY cashed yesterday. NONE. Every book I know is out shopping for a new car or new piece of property today. Trust me.

And some of the biggest sucker props went to the books. Fgoal over and under 43 yards.:+clueless First sack Patriots -150? Why were they favored? Plus even the coinflip was tails and i saw a ton of guys saying they would take heads. I take what these assholes in Vegas and online sports books say with a grain of salt. they aint there to help anyone especially with their bogus consensous sites that everyone swears by. By the way how about Hank Goldman on ESPN saying that the Giants were getting 5 to 1` in money from his sources. Yeah his misleading sources who wanted the sharps to hear this nonsense.
 

Thor4140

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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

When i see a prop like over and under 43 yards for a fgoal which looked very cheap and an easy play and then i see Bellichek refuse to go for a 49 yarder instead to go for it on 4th and 13:+clueless how can you not wonder what the hell is going on here? this so called genuis and he is a great coach pull a stunt like this is a joke.
 
Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

EVERY SINGLE SPORTS BOOK I SPOKE WITH REPORTED WINNING NICELY YESTERDAY!!!!

Both recreational and wise guy shops did quite well...
 
Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

When i see a prop like over and under 43 yards for a fgoal which looked very cheap and an easy play and then i see Bellichek refuse to go for a 49 yarder instead to go for it on 4th and 13:+clueless how can you not wonder what the hell is going on here? this so called genuis and he is a great coach pull a stunt like this is a joke.

I absolutely could not not understand why they did not attempt the field goal there in such a tight game. Going for it there is just too much confidence in both your offense and defense. Over-confident the offense can make 13 yards and over-confident the defense could bail them out if they didn't. Has to be more to that decision somehow.
 
Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

Hell i'd be rich if I would booked all my friends bets... all Pats but me.
 

The Prophet

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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

FWIW:

INSIDER REPORTS A 40-DIME GIANT MONEY LINE +350 WAS TAKEN BY A LAS VEGAS SB FROM A LOCAL PUNTER.
:smokesmal


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NickPappagiorgio

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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

Same story every year, seems like the books never win money. How do they stay in business?
 

The Prophet

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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

2008 Super Bowl Giants Win Worse Loss Ever for Bookmakers

The Giants had all the action for the 2008 Super Bowl and now bookies around the globe are having to pay out big!

Race and Sports guru Jay Kornegay held nothing back in painting the not so rosy picture on a worst case scenario come true. Jay?s view: "80 percent of the books lost."

While many sports betting houses -- from Las Vegas to Antigua to Costa Rica -- might be hurting two days after the Giants huge upset, there are a ton of New York supporters wearing smiles, thanks to Eli Manning and the Giants' defense.

And so too were bettors....even perhaps a few in New England. Anyone smiling in Boston Monday probably had money on the Giants. 80 percent of the betting action was on New York for the 2008 Super Bowl.

"It was like watching a train wreck," Kornegay said of the 17-14 Giants victory as a 12-point underdog in an interview with Gaming Today. "It?s not like the books made a mistake. We thought the odds were in our favor with New England. The public just wanted the Patriots to lose."

The sentiment was felt everywhere although Vegas made out well overall with the masses of people visiting despite the US heading into recession.

"It was a good day for Vegas, but not a good day for sports books. Early reports have this being the worst Super Bowl results ever," Kornegay relayed to the LA Times.

The story was the same online as well where bets tied in to money lines (an outright win by the Giants) had more than 90 percent of the money at some books including Sportsbook.com

"Yeah they (Sportsbook.com) really took a hit," confesses Carrie Stroup, a Gambling911.com reporter who doubles as a Sportsbook.com representative. "They are still not really talking to me today so it is hard to get real numbers. Everyone in the office is depressed."

That bet paid nearly $400 for every $100 wagered.

Other large payouts, according to the Times, included the bets on the adjusted over/under total of 39 1/2 points that paid +400; the Super Bowl being decided by exactly three points paid at +400; the Giants scoring exactly 17 points at 8-1; and the Giants' scoring first and winning the game at 5-1.


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ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

2008 Super Bowl Giants Win Worse Loss Ever for Bookmakers

The Giants had all the action for the 2008 Super Bowl and now bookies around the globe are having to pay out big!

Race and Sports guru Jay Kornegay held nothing back in painting the not so rosy picture on a worst case scenario come true. Jay?s view: "80 percent of the books lost."

While many sports betting houses -- from Las Vegas to Antigua to Costa Rica -- might be hurting two days after the Giants huge upset, there are a ton of New York supporters wearing smiles, thanks to Eli Manning and the Giants' defense.

And so too were bettors....even perhaps a few in New England. Anyone smiling in Boston Monday probably had money on the Giants. 80 percent of the betting action was on New York for the 2008 Super Bowl.

"It was like watching a train wreck," Kornegay said of the 17-14 Giants victory as a 12-point underdog in an interview with Gaming Today. "It?s not like the books made a mistake. We thought the odds were in our favor with New England. The public just wanted the Patriots to lose."

The sentiment was felt everywhere although Vegas made out well overall with the masses of people visiting despite the US heading into recession.

"It was a good day for Vegas, but not a good day for sports books. Early reports have this being the worst Super Bowl results ever," Kornegay relayed to the LA Times.

The story was the same online as well where bets tied in to money lines (an outright win by the Giants) had more than 90 percent of the money at some books including Sportsbook.com

"Yeah they (Sportsbook.com) really took a hit," confesses Carrie Stroup, a Gambling911.com reporter who doubles as a Sportsbook.com representative. "They are still not really talking to me today so it is hard to get real numbers. Everyone in the office is depressed."

That bet paid nearly $400 for every $100 wagered.

Other large payouts, according to the Times, included the bets on the adjusted over/under total of 39 1/2 points that paid +400; the Super Bowl being decided by exactly three points paid at +400; the Giants scoring exactly 17 points at 8-1; and the Giants' scoring first and winning the game at 5-1.


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Jay Kornegay obviously has no clue. Unless a book was holding a position on the Patriots, every book had no problem getting as much money as they wanted on the patriots to get themselves to a position where they would not get hurt. Please, ANY Super Bowl that does not fall...................CANNOT be bad for the great majority of books. If I was to guess, I would say 85 to 90 percent of all books won on the Super Bowl.
 

The Prophet

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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

Jay Kornegay obviously has no clue. Unless a book was holding a position on the Patriots, every book had no problem getting as much money as they wanted on the patriots to get themselves to a position where they would not get hurt. Please, ANY Super Bowl that does not fall...................CANNOT be bad for the great majority of books. If I was to guess, I would say 85 to 90 percent of all books won on the Super Bowl.


GUESSERS ARE A DIME-A-DOZEN AROUND HERE...AS ALWAYS THE GAME IS ABOUT MANAGING RISK...THOSE THAT MANAGED THEIR RISK THE BEST DO THE BEST...IT'S ALL WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE...YET, THESE PUBLIC-OWNED BOOKS ARE REQUIRED TO REVEAL THEIR BOTTOM-LINE QUARTERLY TO SHARE-HOLDERS...WHICH TAKES MOST OF THE GUESS-WORK OUT. :smokesmal


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ZZ CREAM

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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

My guess would at least be an educated guess as opposed to Jay Kornegay . And I would be willing to wager that my numbers were ALOT closer than Jay's.:cheers :cheers

P.S. With millions of people willing to post up with las vegas books, I would think it would be very difficult for even them to lose, and they don't even have to worry about collecting. (And still they cry. Unbelievable.)
 

The Prophet

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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

My guess would at least be an educated guess as opposed to Jay Kornegay . And I would be willing to wager that my numbers were ALOT closer than Jay's.:cheers :cheers

P.S. With millions of people willing to post up with las vegas books, I would think it would be very difficult for even them to lose, and they don't even have to worry about collecting. (And still they cry. Unbelievable.)


YOU MAY COLLECT YOUR WINNING IF YOUR TICKET DIDN'T EXPIRE...:+clueless

IF ONLY THE CONSUMER-FRIENDLY REGULATORS WOULD ONLY ALLOW UTILITY-BILLS TO EXPIRE WITHOUT CONSUMER'S PAYING...

LIKE ANY OTHER BOOK AROUND THE WORLD...IF YOU WIN ENOUGH THEY EVENTUALLY WON'T TAKE YOUR ACTION...HELL, SOME VEGAS BOOKS DON'T WANT YOUR ACTION IF YOU GIVE THEM A HINT THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING, EVEN WHILE LOSING...HENCE, THE BIRTH OF JONES-TYPES'.
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ZZ CREAM

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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

YOU MAY COLLECT YOUR WINNING IF YOUR TICKET DIDN'T EXPIRE...:+clueless

IF ONLY THE CONSUMER-FRIENDLY REGULATORS WOULD ONLY ALLOW UTILITY-BILLS TO EXPIRE WITHOUT CONSUMER'S PAYING...

LIKE ANY OTHER BOOK AROUND THE WORLD...IF YOU WIN ENOUGH ...HENCE, THE BIRTH OF JONES-TYPES'. :smokesmal


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LMAO. Good one.:LMAO :LMAO :LMAO
 
Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

I guess the 15 or so guys I talked to Monday were the ONLY ones that won? Lets see 80% lost, so that means the next 120 random bookmakers lost? RIIIIGHT. Prophet, you are spewing NONSENSE here.

NOT ONE TEASER OR PARLAY TICKET CASHED. NONE, SIR. ZERO.
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

I guess the 15 or so guys I talked to Monday were the ONLY ones that won? Lets see 80% lost, so that means the next 120 random bookmakers lost? RIIIIGHT. Prophet, you are spewing NONSENSE here.

NOT ONE TEASER OR PARLAY TICKET CASHED. NONE, SIR. ZERO.
A few dog and under parlays, even a few ML Dog and under parlays. But overall, very good for most books. You gotta remember OSUCowboys, there aren't many, if any, books left in Vegas. There are plenty of suits though! Lots of posers too!
 

The Prophet

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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

I guess the 15 or so guys I talked to Monday were the ONLY ones that won? Lets see 80% lost, so that means the next 120 random bookmakers lost? RIIIIGHT. Prophet, you are spewing NONSENSE here.

NOT ONE TEASER OR PARLAY TICKET CASHED. NONE, SIR. ZERO.


JUST SPREADING THE DISEASE...BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT...YOU WILL ANYWAY...WE KNOW IT'S AN OPTION


YOU'RE WELCOME
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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

A few dog and under parlays, even a few ML Dog and under parlays. But overall, very good for most books. You gotta remember OSUCowboys, there aren't many, if any, books left in Vegas. There are plenty of suits though! Lots of posers too!

1. understatement

2. understatement

3. understatement
 

ArchieBunker

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INSIDER REPORTS A 40-DIME GIANT MONEY LINE +350 WAS TAKEN BY A LAS VEGAS SB FROM A LOCAL PUNTER.

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Game moved between 12 and 12- and the total actually went up a little. All NE action was killed and the only teasers were Giants and under. The books didn't get killed.

Prophet,

Just because you can cut and paste it doesn't mean it's the truth.
 

rainbow

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Re: Books take big hit on whirlwind day

GUESSERS ARE A DIME-A-DOZEN AROUND HERE...AS ALWAYS THE GAME IS ABOUT MANAGING RISK...THOSE THAT MANAGED THEIR RISK THE BEST DO THE BEST...IT'S ALL WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE...YET, THESE PUBLIC-OWNED BOOKS ARE REQUIRED TO REVEAL THEIR BOTTOM-LINE QUARTERLY TO SHARE-HOLDERS...WHICH TAKES MOST OF THE GUESS-WORK OUT. :smokesmal


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IT'S NO GUESSING HERE BUDDY, I DON'T KNOW ONE BOOK THAT LOST ON THE SUPERBOWL, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT NO MICKEY MOUSE BOOK EITHER. IF A BOOK LOST ON THE SUPERBOWL IT IS REAL SIMPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO VOLUME. DO YOU REALLY THINK IT WAS MORE GIANT AND UNDER TEASERS THAN NEW ENGLAND AND OVER TEASERS? NOT EVEN CLOSE MY FRIEND, AND I'M NOT SPECULATING EITHER. THE SUPERBOWL FOR GOOD FOR EVERY BOOK THAT HAD VOLUME....................
 
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