Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Journeyman

EOG Master
Could be a good time to be thinking ahead to some energy related investments...remember at the last elections how oil prices magically dropped out of nowhere right before the elections.

Any traders willing to predict a repeat?
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Bush and his pals should be in jail for the price of oil alone, forget about all of the soldiers he's gotten killed for nothing. We conquered a country full of oil and we have not seen one benefit from that, correct? We've only seen the price of oil triple since our invasion. Please, tell the Sheep to open their eyes and put these crooked bastards where they belong. Okay, back to my movie, Pride.
 

Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

IRAQ was a complete waste of 7 years and counting, I dont see Bush's legacy changing in the next 11 months....has he done anything else besides focus on Iraq/terrorism?
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

NO... Contrary to the Popular Bush hating..... America has No Control Over OPEC

They have raised Oil Prices and Americans consumption has not decreased...which tells you that your product was under priced....


If you owned/controlled a company/organization and you raised Prices and the consumption stayed the same ... why would you ever lower them again until the market warranted?


Everyone wants to cry and bitch that oil companies are raping us... when in actuality they are not... Their Profit Margin has always stayed the same.... Sure Profit has gone up because Price has...


Most of our posters don't know the difference between Profit and Profit Margin so we can give them an excuse....


The Oil Market has the lowest Profit Margin of any industry in the world... (look it up if you don't believe me) with only 6-10% markup on average.....
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

dirty,

When was the last time you voted for someone who wasn't a Republican?

Just curious...

P.S.

Exon made more money than any other company in the world this past year, nearly 38 billions of profit in ONE QUARTER?

The US is headed towards a recession yet their CEO and other VIPS get ridiculous bonuses???!!

I don't hate Bush, I hate the fact that he lines his buddy's pockets at the expense of others...

THE SHRINK
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

NO... Contrary to the Popular Bush hating..... America has No Control Over OPEC

Understand that a lot of the Bush hating when it comes to oil has to do with Bush making that a talking point in the 2000 elections that because of his connections in the oil industry that he'd be able to "jawbone" OPEC into keeping prices low.

The exact opposite has happened.

I don't blame Bush much for the prices of oil (though I'm not silly enough to think that the decisions he makes aren't influenced by big oil lining his pockets), but I do blame him for telling the American public that "Hey dudes, I've got all the connections -- with me as President, you'll never have to pay $2.00 for oil!" and then not even coming close to following thru.
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

SOS,

The following was written by Ron Paul nearly 2 years ago....

Notice the part about the OIL...

I found it alarming...

A hundred years ago it was called “dollar diplomacy.” After World War II, and especially after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989, that policy evolved into “dollar hegemony.” But after all these many years of great success, our dollar dominance is coming to an end. [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It has been said, rightly, that he who holds the gold makes the rules. In earlier times it was readily accepted that fair and honest trade required an exchange for something of real value.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]First it was simply barter of goods. Then it was discovered that gold held a universal attraction, and was a convenient substitute for more cumbersome barter transactions. Not only did gold facilitate exchange of goods and services, it served as a store of value for those who wanted to save for a rainy day.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Though money developed naturally in the marketplace, as governments grew in power they assumed monopoly control over money. Sometimes governments succeeded in guaranteeing the quality and purity of gold, but in time governments learned to outspend their revenues. New or higher taxes always incurred the disapproval of the people, so it wasn’t long before Kings and Caesars learned how to inflate their currencies by reducing the amount of gold in each coin – always hoping their subjects wouldn’t discover the fraud. But the people always did, and they strenuously objected.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]This helped pressure leaders to seek more gold by conquering other nations. The people became accustomed to living beyond their means, and enjoyed the circuses and bread. Financing extravagances by conquering foreign lands seemed a logical alternative to working harder and producing more. Besides, conquering nations not only brought home gold, they brought home slaves as well. Taxing the people in conquered territories also provided an incentive to build empires. This system of government worked well for a while, but the moral decline of the people led to an unwillingness to produce for themselves. There was a limit to the number of countries that could be sacked for their wealth, and this always brought empires to an end. When gold no longer could be obtained, their military might crumbled. In those days those who held the gold truly wrote the rules and lived well.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]That general rule has held fast throughout the ages. When gold was used, and the rules protected honest commerce, productive nations thrived. Whenever wealthy nations – those with powerful armies and gold – strived only for empire and easy fortunes to support welfare at home, those nations failed.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Today the principles are the same, but the process is quite different. Gold no longer is the currency of the realm; paper is. The truth now is: “He who prints the money makes the rules” – at least for the time being. Although gold is not used, the goals are the same: compel foreign countries to produce and subsidize the country with military superiority and control over the monetary printing presses.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Since printing paper money is nothing short of counterfeiting, the issuer of the international currency must always be the country with the military might to guarantee control over the system. This magnificent scheme seems the perfect system for obtaining perpetual wealth for the country that issues the de facto world currency. The one problem, however, is that such a system destroys the character of the counterfeiting nation’s people – just as was the case when gold was the currency and it was obtained by conquering other nations. And this destroys the incentive to save and produce, while encouraging debt and runaway welfare.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The pressure at home to inflate the currency comes from the corporate welfare recipients, as well as those who demand handouts as compensation for their needs and perceived injuries by others. In both cases personal responsibility for one’s actions is rejected.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]When paper money is rejected, or when gold runs out, wealth and political stability are lost. The country then must go from living beyond its means to living beneath its means, until the economic and political systems adjust to the new rules – rules no longer written by those who ran the now defunct printing press.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]“Dollar Diplomacy,” a policy instituted by William Howard Taft and his Secretary of State Philander C. Knox, was designed to enhance U.S. commercial investments in Latin America and the Far East. McKinley concocted a war against Spain in 1898, and (Teddy) Roosevelt’s corollary to the Monroe Doctrine preceded Taft’s aggressive approach to using the U.S. dollar and diplomatic influence to secure U.S. investments abroad. This earned the popular title of “Dollar Diplomacy.” The significance of Roosevelt’s change was that our intervention now could be justified by the mere “appearance” that a country of interest to us was politically or fiscally vulnerable to European control. Not only did we claim a right, but even an official U.S. government “obligation” to protect our commercial interests from Europeans.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]This new policy came on the heels of the “gunboat” diplomacy of the late 19th century, and it meant we could buy influence before resorting to the threat of force. By the time the “dollar diplomacy” of William Howard Taft was clearly articulated, the seeds of American empire were planted. And they were destined to grow in the fertile political soil of a country that lost its love and respect for the republic bequeathed to us by the authors of the Constitution. And indeed they did. It wasn’t too long before dollar “diplomacy” became dollar “hegemony” in the second half of the 20th century.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]This transition only could have occurred with a dramatic change in monetary policy and the nature of the dollar itself.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Congress created the Federal Reserve System in 1913. Between then and 1971 the principle of sound money was systematically undermined. Between 1913 and 1971, the Federal Reserve found it much easier to expand the money supply at will for financing war or manipulating the economy with little resistance from Congress – while benefiting the special interests that influence government.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Dollar dominance got a huge boost after World War II. We were spared the destruction that so many other nations suffered, and our coffers were filled with the world’s gold. But the world chose not to return to the discipline of the gold standard, and the politicians applauded. Printing money to pay the bills was a lot more popular than taxing or restraining unnecessary spending. In spite of the short-term benefits, imbalances were institutionalized for decades to come.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The 1944 Bretton Woods agreement solidified the dollar as the preeminent world reserve currency, replacing the British pound. Due to our political and military muscle, and because we had a huge amount of physical gold, the world readily accepted our dollar (defined as 1/35th of an ounce of gold) as the world’s reserve currency. The dollar was said to be “as good as gold,” and convertible to all foreign central banks at that rate. For American citizens, however, it remained illegal to own. This was a gold-exchange standard that from inception was doomed to fail.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The U.S. did exactly what many predicted she would do. She printed more dollars for which there was no gold backing. But the world was content to accept those dollars for more than 25 years with little question – until the French and others in the late 1960s demanded we fulfill our promise to pay one ounce of gold for each $35 they delivered to the U.S. Treasury. This resulted in a huge gold drain that brought an end to a very poorly devised pseudo-gold standard.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It all ended on August 15, 1971, when Nixon closed the gold window and refused to pay out any of our remaining 280 million ounces of gold. In essence, we declared our insolvency and everyone recognized some other monetary system had to be devised in order to bring stability to the markets.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Amazingly, a new system was devised which allowed the U.S. to operate the printing presses for the world reserve currency with no restraints placed on it – not even a pretense of gold convertibility, none whatsoever! Though the new policy was even more deeply flawed, it nevertheless opened the door for dollar hegemony to spread.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Realizing the world was embarking on something new and mind-boggling, elite money managers, with especially strong support from U.S. authorities, struck an agreement with OPEC to price oil in U.S. dollars exclusively for all worldwide transactions. This gave the dollar a special place among world currencies and in essence “backed” the dollar with oil. In return, the U.S. promised to protect the various oil-rich kingdoms in the Persian Gulf against threat of invasion or domestic coup. This arrangement helped ignite the radical Islamic movement among those who resented our influence in the region. The arrangement gave the dollar artificial strength, with tremendous financial benefits for the United States. It allowed us to export our monetary inflation by buying oil and other goods at a great discount as dollar influence flourished.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]This post-Bretton Woods system was much more fragile than the system that existed between 1945 and 1971. Though the dollar/oil arrangement was helpful, it was not nearly as stable as the pseudo–gold standard under Bretton Woods. It certainly was less stable than the gold standard of the late 19th century.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]During the 1970s the dollar nearly collapsed, as oil prices surged and gold skyrocketed to $800 an ounce. By 1979 interest rates of 21% were required to rescue the system. The pressure on the dollar in the 1970s, in spite of the benefits accrued to it, reflected reckless budget deficits and monetary inflation during the 1960s. The markets were not fooled by LBJ’s claim that we could afford both “guns and butter.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Once again the dollar was rescued, and this ushered in the age of true dollar hegemony lasting from the early 1980s to the present. With tremendous cooperation coming from the central banks and international commercial banks, the dollar was accepted as if it were gold.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Fed Chair Alan Greenspan, on several occasions before the House Banking Committee, answered my challenges to him about his previously held favorable views on gold by claiming that he and other central bankers had gotten paper money – i.e. the dollar system – to respond as if it were gold. Each time I strongly disagreed, and pointed out that if they had achieved such a feat they would have defied centuries of economic history regarding the need for money to be something of real value. He smugly and confidently concurred with this.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In recent years central banks and various financial institutions, all with vested interests in maintaining a workable fiat dollar standard, were not secretive about selling and loaning large amounts of gold to the market even while decreasing gold prices raised serious questions about the wisdom of such a policy. They never admitted to gold price fixing, but the evidence is abundant that they believed if the gold price fell it would convey a sense of confidence to the market, confidence that they indeed had achieved amazing success in turning paper into gold.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Increasing gold prices historically are viewed as an indicator of distrust in paper currency. This recent effort was not a whole lot different than the U.S. Treasury selling gold at $35 an ounce in the 1960s, in an attempt to convince the world the dollar was sound and as good as gold. Even during the Depression, one of Roosevelt’s first acts was to remove free market gold pricing as an indication of a flawed monetary system by making it illegal for American citizens to own gold. Economic law eventually limited that effort, as it did in the early 1970s when our Treasury and the IMF tried to fix the price of gold by dumping tons into the market to dampen the enthusiasm of those seeking a safe haven for a falling dollar after gold ownership was re-legalized.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Once again the effort between 1980 and 2000 to fool the market as to the true value of the dollar proved unsuccessful. In the past 5 years the dollar has been devalued in terms of gold by more than 50%. You just can’t fool all the people all the time, even with the power of the mighty printing press and money creating system of the Federal Reserve.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Even with all the shortcomings of the fiat monetary system, dollar influence thrived. The results seemed beneficial, but gross distortions built into the system remained. And true to form, Washington politicians are only too anxious to solve the problems cropping up with window dressing, while failing to understand and deal with the underlying flawed policy. Protectionism, fixing exchange rates, punitive tariffs, politically motivated sanctions, corporate subsidies, international trade management, price controls, interest rate and wage controls, super-nationalist sentiments, threats of force, and even war are resorted to – all to solve the problems artificially created by deeply flawed monetary and economic systems.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In the short run, the issuer of a fiat reserve currency can accrue great economic benefits. In the long run, it poses a threat to the country issuing the world currency. In this case that’s the United States. As long as foreign countries take our dollars in return for real goods, we come out ahead. This is a benefit many in Congress fail to recognize, as they bash China for maintaining a positive trade balance with us. But this leads to a loss of manufacturing jobs to overseas markets, as we become more dependent on others and less self-sufficient. Foreign countries accumulate our dollars due to their high savings rates, and graciously loan them back to us at low interest rates to finance our excessive consumption.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It sounds like a great deal for everyone, except the time will come when our dollars – due to their depreciation – will be received less enthusiastically or even be rejected by foreign countries. That could create a whole new ballgame and force us to pay a price for living beyond our means and our production. The shift in sentiment regarding the dollar has already started, but the worst is yet to come.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The agreement with OPEC in the 1970s to price oil in dollars has provided tremendous artificial strength to the dollar as the preeminent reserve currency. This has created a universal demand for the dollar, and soaks up the huge number of new dollars generated each year. Last year alone M3 increased over $700 billion.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The artificial demand for our dollar, along with our military might, places us in the unique position to “rule” the world without productive work or savings, and without limits on consumer spending or deficits. The problem is, it can’t last.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Price inflation is raising its ugly head, and the NASDAQ bubble – generated by easy money – has burst. The housing bubble likewise created is deflating. Gold prices have doubled, and federal spending is out of sight with zero political will to rein it in. The trade deficit last year was over $728 billion. A $2 trillion war is raging, and plans are being laid to expand the war into Iran and possibly Syria. The only restraining force will be the world’s rejection of the dollar. It’s bound to come and create conditions worse than 1979–1980, which required 21% interest rates to correct. But everything possible will be done to protect the dollar in the meantime. We have a shared interest with those who hold our dollars to keep the whole charade going.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Greenspan, in his first speech after leaving the Fed, said that gold prices were up because of concern about terrorism, and not because of monetary concerns or because he created too many dollars during his tenure. Gold has to be discredited and the dollar propped up. Even when the dollar comes under serious attack by market forces, the central banks and the IMF surely will do everything conceivable to soak up the dollars in hope of restoring stability. Eventually they will fail.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Most importantly, the dollar/oil relationship has to be maintained to keep the dollar as a preeminent currency. Any attack on this relationship will be forcefully challenged – as it already has been.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In November 2000 Saddam Hussein demanded Euros for his oil. His arrogance was a threat to the dollar; his lack of any military might was never a threat. At the first cabinet meeting with the new administration in 2001, as reported by Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, the major topic was how we would get rid of Saddam Hussein – though there was no evidence whatsoever he posed a threat to us. This deep concern for Saddam Hussein surprised and shocked O’Neill.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It now is common knowledge that the immediate reaction of the administration after 9/11 revolved around how they could connect Saddam Hussein to the attacks, to justify an invasion and overthrow of his government. Even with no evidence of any connection to 9/11, or evidence of weapons of mass destruction, public and congressional support was generated through distortions and flat out misrepresentation of the facts to justify overthrowing Saddam Hussein.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]There was no public talk of removing Saddam Hussein because of his attack on the integrity of the dollar as a reserve currency by selling oil in Euros. Many believe this was the real reason for our obsession with Iraq. I doubt it was the only reason, but it may well have played a significant role in our motivation to wage war. Within a very short period after the military victory, all Iraqi oil sales were carried out in dollars. The Euro was abandoned.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In 2001, Venezuela’s ambassador to Russia spoke of Venezuela switching to the Euro for all their oil sales. Within a year there was a coup attempt against Chavez, reportedly with assistance from our CIA.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]After these attempts to nudge the Euro toward replacing the dollar as the world’s reserve currency were met with resistance, the sharp fall of the dollar against the Euro was reversed. These events may well have played a significant role in maintaining dollar dominance.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It’s become clear the U.S. administration was sympathetic to those who plotted the overthrow of Chavez, and was embarrassed by its failure. The fact that Chavez was democratically elected had little influence on which side we supported.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Now, a new attempt is being made against the petrodollar system. Iran, another member of the “axis of evil,” has announced her plans to initiate an oil bourse in March of this year. Guess what, the oil sales will be priced Euros, not dollars.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Most Americans forget how our policies have systematically and needlessly antagonized the Iranians over the years. In 1953 the CIA helped overthrow a democratically elected president, Mohammed Mossadeqh, and install the authoritarian Shah, who was friendly to the U.S. The Iranians were still fuming over this when the hostages were seized in 1979. Our alliance with Saddam Hussein in his invasion of Iran in the early 1980s did not help matters, and obviously did not do much for our relationship with Saddam Hussein. The administration announcement in 2001 that Iran was part of the axis of evil didn’t do much to improve the diplomatic relationship between our two countries. Recent threats over nuclear power, while ignoring the fact that they are surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons, doesn’t seem to register with those who continue to provoke Iran. With what most Muslims perceive as our war against Islam, and this recent history, there’s little wonder why Iran might choose to harm America by undermining the dollar. Iran, like Iraq, has zero capability to attack us. But that didn’t stop us from turning Saddam Hussein into a modern day Hitler ready to take over the world. Now Iran, especially since she’s made plans for pricing oil in Euros, has been on the receiving end of a propaganda war not unlike that waged against Iraq before our invasion.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It’s not likely that maintaining dollar supremacy was the only motivating factor for the war against Iraq, nor for agitating against Iran. Though the real reasons for going to war are complex, we now know the reasons given before the war started, like the presence of weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein’s connection to 9/11, were false. The dollar’s importance is obvious, but this does not diminish the influence of the distinct plans laid out years ago by the neo-conservatives to remake the Middle East. Israel’s influence, as well as that of the Christian Zionists, likewise played a role in prosecuting this war. Protecting “our” oil supplies has influenced our Middle East policy for decades.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]But the truth is that paying the bills for this aggressive intervention is impossible the old-fashioned way, with more taxes, more savings, and more production by the American people. Much of the expense of the Persian Gulf War in 1991 was shouldered by many of our willing allies. That’s not so today. Now, more than ever, the dollar hegemony – it’s dominance as the world reserve currency – is required to finance our huge war expenditures. This $2 trillion never-ending war must be paid for, one way or another. Dollar hegemony provides the vehicle to do just that.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]For the most part the true victims aren’t aware of how they pay the bills. The license to create money out of thin air allows the bills to be paid through price inflation. American citizens, as well as average citizens of Japan, China, and other countries suffer from price inflation, which represents the “tax” that pays the bills for our military adventures. That is, until the fraud is discovered, and the foreign producers decide not to take dollars nor hold them very long in payment for their goods. Everything possible is done to prevent the fraud of the monetary system from being exposed to the masses who suffer from it. If oil markets replace dollars with Euros, it would in time curtail our ability to continue to print, without restraint, the world’s reserve currency.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It is an unbelievable benefit to us to import valuable goods and export depreciating dollars. The exporting countries have become addicted to our purchases for their economic growth. This dependency makes them allies in continuing the fraud, and their participation keeps the dollar’s value artificially high. If this system were workable long term, American citizens would never have to work again. We too could enjoy “bread and circuses” just as the Romans did, but their gold finally ran out and the inability of Rome to continue to plunder conquered nations brought an end to her empire.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The same thing will happen to us if we don’t change our ways. Though we don’t occupy foreign countries to directly plunder, we nevertheless have spread our troops across 130 nations of the world. Our intense effort to spread our power in the oil-rich Middle East is not a coincidence. But unlike the old days, we don’t declare direct ownership of the natural resources – we just insist that we can buy what we want and pay for it with our paper money. Any country that challenges our authority does so at great risk.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Once again Congress has bought into the war propaganda against Iran, just as it did against Iraq. Arguments are now made for attacking Iran economically, and militarily if necessary. These arguments are all based on the same false reasons given for the ill-fated and costly occupation of Iraq.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Our whole economic system depends on continuing the current monetary arrangement, which means recycling the dollar is crucial. Currently, we borrow over $700 billion every year from our gracious benefactors, who work hard and take our paper for their goods. Then we borrow all the money we need to secure the empire (DOD budget $450 billion) plus more. The military might we enjoy becomes the “backing” of our currency. There are no other countries that can challenge our military superiority, and therefore they have little choice but to accept the dollars we declare are today’s “gold.” This is why countries that challenge the system – like Iraq, Iran and Venezuela – become targets of our plans for regime change.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Ironically, dollar superiority depends on our strong military, and our strong military depends on the dollar. As long as foreign recipients take our dollars for real goods and are willing to finance our extravagant consumption and militarism, the status quo will continue regardless of how huge our foreign debt and current account deficit become.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]But real threats come from our political adversaries who are incapable of confronting us militarily, yet are not bashful about confronting us economically. That’s why we see the new challenge from Iran being taken so seriously. The urgent arguments about Iran posing a military threat to the security of the United States are no more plausible than the false charges levied against Iraq. Yet there is no effort to resist this march to confrontation by those who grandstand for political reasons against the Iraq war.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It seems that the people and Congress are easily persuaded by the jingoism of the preemptive war promoters. It’s only after the cost in human life and dollars are tallied up that the people object to unwise militarism.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The strange thing is that the failure in Iraq is now apparent to a large majority of American people, yet they and Congress are acquiescing to the call for a needless and dangerous confrontation with Iran.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]But then again, our failure to find Osama bin Laden and destroy his network did not dissuade us from taking on the Iraqis in a war totally unrelated to 9/11.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Concern for pricing oil only in dollars helps explain our willingness to drop everything and teach Saddam Hussein a lesson for his defiance in demanding Euros for oil.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]And once again there’s this urgent call for sanctions and threats of force against Iran at the precise time Iran is opening a new oil exchange with all transactions in Euros.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Using force to compel people to accept money without real value can only work in the short run. It ultimately leads to economic dislocation, both domestic and international, and always ends with a price to be paid.[/FONT]

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The economic law that honest exchange demands only things of real value as currency cannot be repealed. The chaos that one day will ensue from our 35-year experiment with worldwide fiat money will require a return to money of real value. We will know that day is approaching when oil-producing countries demand gold, or its equivalent, for their oil rather than dollars or Euros. The sooner the better.
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Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Lowest profit margin? Even if they do have the lowest profit margin they're making a killing.

Maybe the US Govt did not control the cost dropping right before the last election, 'somebody' did though and that somebody probably wanted the Rep party to stay put, amazingly the cost rose and has risen since.
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

I wonder if Shrink thinks anyone is actually going to read that novel?
 

Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

When you really think about, WHY is Gold such a coveted commodity?
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Hybred, Diesel, Electric - ring a bell anyone? Screw `em. Let `em keep all the oil, time for America to go another route. :houra
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Here, is this a tad better?

Also, written by Ron Paul...

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Federal subsidies and regulations are largely responsible for limiting the supply of refined gasoline in this country. The demand for gasoline has risen dramatically in America due to population growth in recent decades, but virtually no new refining capacity has been added. Basic economics tells us that rising demand and a fixed supply will lead to higher prices. No amount of congressional grandstanding about price gouging will change this economic reality. We must increase domestic exploration, drilling, and refining if we hope to maintain reasonable gas prices. We need more competition, which means we need less government. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]http://www.mises.org/store/Capitalism-P188C0.aspx?AFID=1Most Americans agree that the American economy should not be dependent upon Middle East oil. Economist George Reisman, however, explains that our own domestic regulations make us slaves to OPEC: “Today, it is possible once again to bring about a dramatic fall in the price of oil – indeed, one even larger than occurred in the 1980s. And it could begin right away. All that is necessary is to abolish the U.S. government’s restrictions on domestic energy production inspired by the environmentalist movement.” [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Reisman also explains how abolishing restrictions on coal production, natural gas production, and nuclear power would further reduce the OPEC stranglehold. By increasing the supply of these other energy sources, demand for oil would decrease and prices would drop.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Note that much of the support for unrealistic environmental regulations comes from northeastern politicians and media, who weren’t nearly as interested in oil fortunes when the business hit rock bottom in the 1980s. Texas and the gulf coast have always been willing to supply the nation’s energy, and it’s a bit disingenuous to hear criticism from those who are happy to use oil but don’t want refineries in their backyards.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]<b>Oil is critical, but it is not a magic commodity that somehow is immune from the laws of economics. In fact, it is precisely because oil is so critical to our economy that we must allow the free market to deliver it. Absent government interference in the oil markets, gas prices would rise or fall according to concrete realities affecting supply and demand. High prices would encourage conservation better than any environmental regulations. Entrepreneurs would race to develop viable alternate fuels if gas prices rose too much. [/FONT]</b>

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Centralized government planning, on the other hand, cannot solve our energy dilemmas. The Nixon-era price controls on gasoline in the 1970s produced nothing but disastrous shortages. By contrast, the Reagan administration’s immediate deregulation of the oil industry resulted in an unprecedented boom in oil production and a dramatic reduction in prices. This is the lesson we must remember.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]What can Congress do to provide Americans with some relief at the pump? [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]First it can suspend federal gas taxes, which would save consumers nearly 20 cents per gallon. In the long term, Congress must pass legislation like HR 4004, which I introduced earlier this month. HR 4004 takes a comprehensive approach by allowing offshore drilling, eliminating regulations that restrict refining, and suspending harmful tax rules that discourage domestic oil production. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]If we hope to have a stable, affordable supply of gas, we must allow the free market to operate.:rolleyes: [/FONT]​
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

BAAAH

BAAAH

BAAAH



all haters and sheep that are being controlled by oil prices...bottom line is this... Not one person who responded can debate Profit/Profit margin



Shrink... You own EOG... would you run this place without a Profit Margin of so much?


I didn't think so....... Why should any other business run their company without making a certain Profit margin? You Never know when things are going to turn south and that Profit margin is going to be eaten up because you didn't figure it in...... and don't give me the Bullshit of record profits etc.... what they do (getting oil out of the ground) costs more to do than anything else in the world... Their expenses to operate are higher to operate than any other business...but don't let the truth get in the way of the hating
 

Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Hybred, Diesel, Electric - ring a bell anyone? Screw `em. Let `em keep all the oil, time for America to go another route. :houra




Bought this off Ebay a couple weeks ago, not bad, chicks dig it too.

I am old school :rolleyes:
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

BAAAH

BAAAH

BAAAH



all haters and sheep that are being controlled by oil prices...bottom line is this... Not one person who responded can debate Profit/Profit margin



Shrink... You own EOG... would you run this place without a Profit Margin of so much?


I didn't think so....... Why should any other business run their company without making a certain Profit margin? You Never know when things are going to turn south and that Profit margin is going to be eaten up because you didn't figure it in...... and don't give me the Bullshit of record profits etc.... what they do (getting oil out of the ground) costs more to do than anything else in the world... Their expenses to operate are higher to operate than any other business...but don't let the truth get in the way of the hating

Please answer my simple question honestly...(post 5-first question to u)
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Bush and his pals should be in jail for the price of oil alone, forget about all of the soldiers he's gotten killed for nothing. We conquered a country full of oil and we have not seen one benefit from that, correct? We've only seen the price of oil triple since our invasion. Please, tell the Sheep to open their eyes and put these crooked bastards where they belong. Okay, back to my movie, Pride.
Can ANYBODY disagree with statement: Since an oilman, Bush was elected :)LMAO ), we invaded a country with little to do with 9/11 that is one of the biggest oil producers in the world, stopped it's production to commercially sell oil on the open market, lost thousands of good US men and Women, and the price of oil has nearly tripled!!!!!!!!!!!! Who disagrees with statement? Please, if it swims, eats and quacks like a duck.............the Republicans would have you believe it is a WOLF.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Please answer my simple question honestly...(post 5-first question to u)


I vote democrat pretty often....


You are very good at avoiding questions.... you have proven that. I try my best to answer every question asked of me


and Exxon's Profits have nothing to do with anything...Profit margin is what matters... you don't run EOG for your health...Nor should any other company

You can't have double standards
 

Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Well said ZZ. That is exactly how it has played out.
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

I vote democrat pretty often....


You are very good at avoiding questions.... you have proven that. I try my best to answer every question asked of me


and Exxon's Profits have nothing to do with anything...Profit margin is what matters... you don't run EOG for your health...Nor should any other company

You can't have double standards

You still didn't answer my question....:LMAO

Hint: I asked you WHEN was the LAST TIME you didn't vote for a Republican, not how many times you voted foe Democrat, silly?

P.S.

Here's are two easier ones...

Did you vote for Bush?

Are you related to GWB because you sure talk the same style and say nuttin?
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?



Bought this off Ebay a couple weeks ago, not bad, chicks dig it too.

I am old school :rolleyes:

Journeyman,

I'd be happy going back to horse and buggy times but I doubt most would tolerate them for a day (if that long). Saw a picture of papa over the weekend on one of them, he had a grin from ear to ear. Life was much simpler then. :bank:
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

You still didn't answer my question....:LMAO

Hint: I asked you WHEN was the LAST TIME you didn't vote for a Republican, not how many times you voted foe Democrat, silly?

P.S.

Here's are two easier ones...

Did you vote for Bush?

Are you related to GWB?


Last local election since it is so important to ya :cheers:cheers:cheers
 

Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

I took it out for a spin last night, took me 3 hours to go to the grocery store...it was fun though, lost a horse on the way home (we did get it back later)
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

I vote democrat pretty often....


You are very good at avoiding questions.... you have proven that. I try my best to answer every question asked of me


and Exxon's Profits have nothing to do with anything...Profit margin is what matters... you don't run EOG for your health...Nor should any other company

You can't have double standards

Here's a signature I found elsewhere that u might like...:cheers

Feel free to borrow..:LMAO

A liberal is a man so open-minded, he is unable to take his own side in an argument.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Here's a signature I found elsewhere that u might like...:cheers

Feel free to borrow..:LMAO

A liberal is a man so open-minded, he is unable to take his own side in an argument.


:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO


Thanks... I will use it tonight :cheers:cheers:cheers
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

I took it out for a spin last night, took me 3 hours to go to the grocery store...it was fun though, lost a horse on the way home (we did get it back later)

Really glad you got your horse back otherwise it would have taken longer next time. Have you started to train the pony, yet?
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Well said ZZ. That is exactly how it has played out.
What I don't understand is: Why aren't more people shouting out..................Why are oil prices so high?????????????????? It is going to RUIN our economy. Bush did a real good JAWBONING those Saudis. He forgot to tell you which way he jawboned 'em. And he forgot about his promise to make iraq pay for the damn war and NATION-BUILDING. Duh? What ? All of his Sheep forgot that? The Dems are PUSSSIES and are doing NOTHING. It's too late anyhow, we'll have a new war soon to make people forget about the upcoming DEPRESSION. By that time, the poor SCHMUCK in the White House will be the bearer of all of George Bush and his supporters generosity.
 

Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

tell me about it...why is the media not up in arms about this anymore? I mean a few years back when gas 'ballooned' up over 2 dollars a gallon , truckers were driving to D.C. to protest saying they couldn't stay in business at this rate , it was big news!

Remember about a year ago that retarded dingbat said he had an 'alternative plan', it was suppose to be big news....I think he just throws stuff out in the media occasionally so it appears he's thinking of ways to improve things.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Remember how gas Prices were going to drop when democrats got control of congress :LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Until People realize that the President does not control Most of what goes on in this country then there is no hope... this is not a Monarchy.....
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Remember about a year ago that retarded dingbat said he had an 'alternative plan', it was suppose to be big news....I think he just throws stuff out in the media occasionally so it appears he's thinking of ways to improve things.
:LMAO :LMAO :LMAO :LMAO That's very unfair to normal dingbats that only 'voted Republican'!!!!!!!!!!!!:LMAO :LMAO :LMAO :LMAO
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Until People realize that the President does not control Most of what goes on in this country then there is no hope... this is not a Monarchy.....
He controls the US way more than he should and also way more than anybody else on the planet. Him and his party's agenda are certainly the main reason why we are in the mess we are in, in my opinion, humble may it be.

P.S. I have to add that the Dem's lack of courage in the face of extreme prejudice is almost as bad, once again, in my opinion.
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?



That is the current national debt figure. Any guesses on what it was 7.5 years ago when Bush became President?
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

For those of you that are mathematically challenged that word starts with a "T". YIKES!!!!
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?



That is the current national debt figure. Any guesses on what it was 7.5 years ago when Bush became President?



And didn't Congress approve every dollar of it.....and hasn't it been controlled by the Democrats since the last election and hasn't the Budget Kept swelling :+clueless:+clueless:+clueless


don't let facts get in the way of the Truth though :cheers:cheers:cheers
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

Weren't we in the black?

is that a quadrillion?

ding, ding, ding............ we have a winner. Clinton erased Papa Bush's national deficit figure and Bush Jr. has managed to raise it back up to an ALL TIME HIGH.

Do you realize we pay China 1 BILLION dollars a day in interest on the money we owe them?

Do you realize that for the first and only time in 91 years that the USA is in danger of losing it's AAA credit rating. Yes, that is right, we are looking at having the same credit rating as some 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES.

Great job BUSH.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

You need to do a Little research OSU.. our country has never Operated at a Profit .. especially since the FDR.....
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

ding, ding, ding............ we have a winner. Clinton erased Papa Bush's national deficit figure and Bush Jr. has managed to raise it back up to an ALL TIME HIGH.

Do you realize we pay China 1 BILLION dollars a day in interest on the money we owe them?

Do you realize that for the first and only time in 91 years that the USA is in danger of losing it's AAA credit rating. Yes, that is right, we are looking at having the same credit rating as some 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES.

Great job BUSH.
I would vote for any party that promised to get us out of Iraq, immediately. get the price of oil under $50 a barrel and promise to try to put in JAIL Bush , Cheney , Rumsfeld and anybody else that could be proved that they lied to the US people about iraq and the war and the price of oil.
 
Re: Will we see a huge drop in gas prices towards election time again?

You need to do a Little research OSU.. our country has never Operated at a Profit .. especially since the FDR.....

No shit?? hmmmmmmmm, ok.

Republican Debt and Deficits: 'Mission Accomplished' or More of the Same?



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Before President Bush took office, the largest deficit in our nation?s history had been $290 billion in 1992, and under President Clinton the nation had since begun to run large budget surpluses. At the beginning of his Administration, President Bush projected that in Fiscal Year 2006 we would be running a unified budget surplus of $516 billion. (President Bush's Budget for Fiscal Year 2002, A Blueprint for New Beginnings, 2/28/01). This week, though, President Bush and Washington Republicans are congratulating themselves not for maintaining a surplus, but for running a projected 2006 deficit, of $296 billion ? which would be the fourth largest deficit in history, and larger than any deficit before President Bush took office. Meanwhile, our nation?s debt continues to rise dramatically, debt to foreigners already has more than doubled, and the President?s plan for our long-term fiscal problems is to provide more special interest handouts that will make matters even worse."
 

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