Will any of these books block U.S. customers?
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Pastorsinalot
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Re: Will any of these books block U.S. customers?
That what i want to know.
Some of them cant, they will be out of business before Dec, if they back out the US.
That what i want to know.
Some of them cant, they will be out of business before Dec, if they back out the US.
Almost Allright
GO Bucks!!!
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Funded with bet cascade and sky book beside a couple from that list. I wonder about them also.
Funded with bet cascade and sky book beside a couple from that list. I wonder about them also.
Pastorsinalot
EOG Addicted
Re: Will any of these books block U.S. customers?
That what i want to know.
Some of them cant, they will be out of business before Dec, if they back out the US.
That what i want to know.
Some of them cant, they will be out of business before Dec, if they back out the US.
Re: Will any of these books block U.S. customers?
The only books you need to worry about are the publicly traded books.
The only books you need to worry about are the publicly traded books.
MadCapper
Head <in> Moderation
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Maybe the gov will go after the private ones now too?
Maybe the gov will go after the private ones now too?
MadCapper
Head <in> Moderation
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Why do you think those 3 and not any of the others?
Why do you think those 3 and not any of the others?
Re: Will any of these books block U.S. customers?
Da Plane boss Da Plane.....
Da Money stupid da money..
Not da books....
Not da books...
$ in and $ out .
Western Union---Notta gonna do it --wouldn't be prudent. Too many what if's and I don't like teling lies about knowing Jose or fishing trips....
:+signs15-
Da Plane boss Da Plane.....
Da Money stupid da money..
Not da books....
Not da books...
$ in and $ out .
Western Union---Notta gonna do it --wouldn't be prudent. Too many what if's and I don't like teling lies about knowing Jose or fishing trips....
:+signs15-
Re: Will any of these books block U.S. customers?
BODOG will not allow Canadians to open an account on their site since they opened.
That is because Calvin was found guilty or agreed to a plea in some kind of securities and exchange thing in Canada years ago. Part of his agreement included restrictions on banking, trading, etc with Canadians. I have not read the whole agreement, but it is most likely this is the reason - combined with his will to visit family in Canada.
BODOG will not allow Canadians to open an account on their site since they opened.
That is because Calvin was found guilty or agreed to a plea in some kind of securities and exchange thing in Canada years ago. Part of his agreement included restrictions on banking, trading, etc with Canadians. I have not read the whole agreement, but it is most likely this is the reason - combined with his will to visit family in Canada.
CHALKbreaker
EOG Dedicated
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They really can't go after a private business that is OUTSIDE of their jurisdiction. The only thing the US government could do is put pressure on the government that those books reside in, telling that government that they are allowing business that is breaking known US laws.
It will be interesting to see just how far these clowns go. If making this a priority over Iran and North korea obtaining nuclear weapons, it will show just how screwed up this country has become.
They really can't go after a private business that is OUTSIDE of their jurisdiction. The only thing the US government could do is put pressure on the government that those books reside in, telling that government that they are allowing business that is breaking known US laws.
It will be interesting to see just how far these clowns go. If making this a priority over Iran and North korea obtaining nuclear weapons, it will show just how screwed up this country has become.
Bucky
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Bodog and WWTS are publicly traded and Bowman's is from England. I hope I am wrong. These guys might be able to pay all the USA customers. Bodog and WWTS should sell to a private party again who can tell the USA to piss off. I see any and all books from England being done - toast - finito - it's all over now. And that includes Neteller. The USA says to England or Canada, "Hey, knock that BS off!" and it's done - the UK throws them all under the bus.
You think for one minute if the USA wants that "Dick" back that the UK wouldn't cough him up? or anybody else like him?
The other guys are tough enough to tell the USA to blow it- hard enough to get at and smart enough not to let any of there principles go to the USA. These guys have fought too hard and too long to give the post up back this easy.
Bodog and WWTS are publicly traded and Bowman's is from England. I hope I am wrong. These guys might be able to pay all the USA customers. Bodog and WWTS should sell to a private party again who can tell the USA to piss off. I see any and all books from England being done - toast - finito - it's all over now. And that includes Neteller. The USA says to England or Canada, "Hey, knock that BS off!" and it's done - the UK throws them all under the bus.
You think for one minute if the USA wants that "Dick" back that the UK wouldn't cough him up? or anybody else like him?
The other guys are tough enough to tell the USA to blow it- hard enough to get at and smart enough not to let any of there principles go to the USA. These guys have fought too hard and too long to give the post up back this easy.
CHALKbreaker
EOG Dedicated
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The problem with publicly traded books is that they are often held by giant holding companies (in mutual funds, ext). When word gets out that this company "is doing business in violation of US federal law" (yes, I know that sounds harsh, but that IS how they will spin it) these holding companies DROP that stock from their fund quicker than you can imagine. They want NO PART of a controversial company, and that mass sell off can sink a company.
The problem with publicly traded books is that they are often held by giant holding companies (in mutual funds, ext). When word gets out that this company "is doing business in violation of US federal law" (yes, I know that sounds harsh, but that IS how they will spin it) these holding companies DROP that stock from their fund quicker than you can imagine. They want NO PART of a controversial company, and that mass sell off can sink a company.
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bodog is not a public company. That is incorrect. They'll keep at it for sure.
The only company on the list you need to worry about is WWTS.
I think 90% of their business is U.S. though, so I don't they'd shut it off.
Bowman's already said they're not going anywhere.
bodog is not a public company. That is incorrect. They'll keep at it for sure.
The only company on the list you need to worry about is WWTS.
I think 90% of their business is U.S. though, so I don't they'd shut it off.
Bowman's already said they're not going anywhere.
Bucky
EOG Dedicated
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Sure, they can all exist if they go back to their roots. That was the only way they could sell and get value for their product. Individual investors couldn't come up with that kind of jingle.
Bodog Entertainment Group (BEG) is about as corporate as you can get. That's not good - It's too easy to decipher who is at the top. Too many variables on other principles. It doesn't have to be Ayre who gets arrested - It can be one of the bean counters - marketing guys.
It used to be a good thing to say I am Garry Bowman - owner of Bowman's. Now it's a bad thing. They probably have arrest warrants for all of these kind of people. One missed step and they arrest them like Carruthers and Dick.
Let's say they go to OZ and the plane stops in Hawaii? Bad move! Same thing could happen in other US territories.
Sure, they can all exist if they go back to their roots. That was the only way they could sell and get value for their product. Individual investors couldn't come up with that kind of jingle.
Bodog Entertainment Group (BEG) is about as corporate as you can get. That's not good - It's too easy to decipher who is at the top. Too many variables on other principles. It doesn't have to be Ayre who gets arrested - It can be one of the bean counters - marketing guys.
It used to be a good thing to say I am Garry Bowman - owner of Bowman's. Now it's a bad thing. They probably have arrest warrants for all of these kind of people. One missed step and they arrest them like Carruthers and Dick.
Let's say they go to OZ and the plane stops in Hawaii? Bad move! Same thing could happen in other US territories.
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The USA says to England or Canada, "Hey, knock that BS off!" and it's done - the UK throws them all under the bus.
Canada - maybe.
England - no way.
Costa Rica, Antigua, etc - Fuck off.
You think for one minute if the USA wants that "Dick" back that the UK wouldn't cough him up? or anybody else like him?
Not a chance. England has already said they only extradite for laws that are laws in their country too. Costa Rica said the same thing.
Blair stepped down because he loss support from sucking George's dick. The next guy will be very different.
It makes no difference if you are corporate or not. You just can't be public.
There are two problems with the public companies:
1. The securities exchange commissions are very conservative and if they fear for investors, they will suspend you from the exchange.
2. The officers often have business needs in other companies in the US.
Big corporations like Bodog are run by Calvin. Calvin is not governed by any commissions and frankly he has no intentions of coming to the US.
Calvin can sit on a boat 3.01 miles off the coast of NYC and book bets till his hearts content and there is not a damn thing the United States can do about it. The minute he gets within 3 miles, they can arrest his ass.
Sean
The USA says to England or Canada, "Hey, knock that BS off!" and it's done - the UK throws them all under the bus.
Canada - maybe.
England - no way.
Costa Rica, Antigua, etc - Fuck off.
You think for one minute if the USA wants that "Dick" back that the UK wouldn't cough him up? or anybody else like him?
Not a chance. England has already said they only extradite for laws that are laws in their country too. Costa Rica said the same thing.
Blair stepped down because he loss support from sucking George's dick. The next guy will be very different.
It makes no difference if you are corporate or not. You just can't be public.
There are two problems with the public companies:
1. The securities exchange commissions are very conservative and if they fear for investors, they will suspend you from the exchange.
2. The officers often have business needs in other companies in the US.
Big corporations like Bodog are run by Calvin. Calvin is not governed by any commissions and frankly he has no intentions of coming to the US.
Calvin can sit on a boat 3.01 miles off the coast of NYC and book bets till his hearts content and there is not a damn thing the United States can do about it. The minute he gets within 3 miles, they can arrest his ass.
Sean
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Bookmakers will continue to book bets. Public companies who made a foray into US bookmaking as a profitable venture will scurry like a stuck pig.
I was pleased by what I saw in the Firepay announcement. They will no longer do business with online sportsbooks. BUT you can continue to use your account to transfer money offshore for other reasons. I can see possibilities of these transactions moving to more of a WU type of deal. (wiring money to someone in the Phillipines for example.) Because of the shear volume of bank wires I don't think they can easily isolate these as effectively as WU has been able to.
Bookmakers will continue to book bets. Public companies who made a foray into US bookmaking as a profitable venture will scurry like a stuck pig.
I was pleased by what I saw in the Firepay announcement. They will no longer do business with online sportsbooks. BUT you can continue to use your account to transfer money offshore for other reasons. I can see possibilities of these transactions moving to more of a WU type of deal. (wiring money to someone in the Phillipines for example.) Because of the shear volume of bank wires I don't think they can easily isolate these as effectively as WU has been able to.
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Western Union doesn't isolate anything. They just guess.
Western Union was created for people who can't get bank accounts (No papers). People who can't get bank accounts don't wire $5000 to the Caribbean.) --- Actually WU was created as a telegraph company, but as that became obsolute, they started sending money for people who can't get bank accounts. No one is gonna pay $150 to use WU if they can use a wire for $30.
Bank wires are used by everyone. It is not unusual at all for people/companies to wire millions to foreign companies.
Sean
Western Union doesn't isolate anything. They just guess.
Western Union was created for people who can't get bank accounts (No papers). People who can't get bank accounts don't wire $5000 to the Caribbean.) --- Actually WU was created as a telegraph company, but as that became obsolute, they started sending money for people who can't get bank accounts. No one is gonna pay $150 to use WU if they can use a wire for $30.
Bank wires are used by everyone. It is not unusual at all for people/companies to wire millions to foreign companies.
Sean