Beware of BetRoyal

Caliente

Banned
Its been nearly two weeks since I opened a thread on this scam book known as Royal Sportsbook. I hope we can keep this thread as a reminder to the new players that Royal is not a safe book to wager with if you are serious about winning some good money and expecting to get paid. There will probably be a couple of guys who happen to be tiny players, who will respond in this thread saying "Royal always pays me". Keep in mind that not only are they tiny winners, so of course Royal will pay them, but they are also known posters here at EOG and other forums so Royal wouldnt dare not pay them their 300 dollars. There is nothing wrong with being a tiny gambler, my point is that you tiny players always leave this very important factor out of your reply. And no, when I was cheated by Royal I was not a forum user.
Bet Royal has a history of slow paying winners. Nobody denies this. For some reason there are gamblers who are willing to overlook this fact about Royal and make excuses for them. These people who make excuses for Royal's slow pays are either employees of Royal Sports or they are people who just like to play devils advocate. Another fact about Royal is that the owner of Royal, Tej Kohil, is a known crook who has stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars at other books he owned. This is a fact. An important fact when considering a sportsbook to send your money to.
Heres a brief snap shot of my Royal experience.
After sending Royal three deposits of 20 grand, I asked for a payout. For 8 weeks, the operations manager, Richard Jones, told me my payout was on the way. After my balance hit zero and still waiting for my payout, about 4 weeks in, Richard is calling me daily asking me to please send in some money. Richard is completely aware that my money has not been sent and yet he's asking me to re-up. After telling him no on about five different occassions, Richard tells me Im not getting my money anytime soon. Richard admits that my money was never sent.
After being told that I'll have to wait until after the baseball season to get my money, I reverse my payouts and lose it. Even though I have myself to blame for my stupidity, I am very upset with Royal for all the lies and make up a story that I didnt in fact reverse the payouts.
Many peole like to ignore the facts of this case and put all the blame on me. Thats fine but not very objective. It woukld be wise to ask this question. "How could a guy that is so stupid, completely fool a number of experienced and intelligent grown men?" The answer to this question is simple. When a person is right in his anger and desire for revenge, he comes across as a guy who is telling the truth. Because I had no guilt in what I was doing, except for lying to my supporters, I came across as a person who was fighting a just cause. Royal deserved what I was doing. Royal lied and cheaed me for 6 months or more and therefore deserved all the negative publicity they got and still get. How else can you explain someone as dumb as me fooling so many experienced individuals? Royal desrved it and because of that I came across as a guy who was telling the truth.
Pleae dont send your hard earned cash to a scam book like Royal. There are so many awsome sportsbooks that never, not even once, slow pay winners. In fact these awsome books get you paid in two days. No matter how large the amount. It is your money and it shouldnt be hard to get a payout. I say its time to reward these fast paying books with our business.
Ive been reading the thread on the BOS situation and its a crack up that the same idiots who will come into this thread with their pathetic support of Royal, are the same idiots who support BOS and all the other books who rip players off. I could list their names but you know who they are.
 

Caliente

Banned
I agree Madcapper but I want to make sure that if a new forum user is looking for a safe book to play at, he will see this thread and make a wise decision to stay away from cheats like Royal. Its important to always have at least one thread about the dangers of Royal. I stayed away for a while because I noticed that I wasnt alone in these warnings and I wasnt needed. Apparently I wasnt the only one stiffed and cheated by Royal. I think its time to reward the awsome books out there. In a time like now when off shore wagering is under attack, it would be wise to ban the scammers of the industry. Royal, Betus/Omni, BOS. Maybe if these books werent around, off shore wagering wouldnt be under attack. These politicians who are looking to get rid of this industry, only need scam operations like Royal and Betus/Omni to point a finger at. Wouldnt it be nice to be able to say to these politicians that this industry is clean? To be able to say there are no scam operations here Mr. Politician. Because of Royal and the other crooks in this industry we cant say that. Its time to do our part to clean it up before its too late. Stop making fuckin excuses for these cheats and crooks! They are giving this industry a black eye. How can you be proud to be a part of this industry when scammers like Tej from Royal and Betus are around? Stop sending money to these crooked books now!
 

Bucky

EOG Dedicated
Interesting story!

"After sending Royal three deposits of 20 grand, I asked for a payout. For 8 weeks, the operations manager, Richard Jones, told me my payout was on the way. After my balance hit zero and still waiting for my payout, about 4 weeks in, Richard is calling me daily asking me to please send in some money. Richard is completely aware that my money has not been sent and yet he's asking me to re-up. After telling him no on about five different occassions, Richard tells me Im not getting my money anytime soon. Richard admits that my money was never sent.
After being told that I'll have to wait until after the baseball season to get my money, I reverse my payouts and lose it. Even though I have myself to blame for my stupidity, I am very upset with Royal for all the lies and make up a story that I didnt in fact reverse the payouts. "

Can I have the long version or ask a couple of questions?

Apparently you had confidence from playing there before. Did it go something like 20 K lose it - send 20k - lose it - send 20k - win?

How much was the requested payout?

Why didn't they offer to make installments or why didn't you ask for smaller payments like each month?

I could see reversing the payout and playing small to maintain communication. What else is involved here? I guess this sounds critical but None of this makes sense. Did they give you like a 50% bonus for a bank wire?

Actually this place started smelling bad over 3 years ago but I guess you said you had not been around the forums. Anyway, Dude you made me throw up after the last part of the losing it back - hope this doesn't lead to nightmares!
 

Caliente

Banned
It makes me throw up as well. Thats right, 20 grand lose, 20 grand lose, 20 grand win big. I asked for three payouts. 10 g, 10 g, 30 g. I was given a 40% bonus. That wasnt a factor. Royal never disputed anything I did. I put in like a million dollars of action. Seriously. I wasnt withdrawing all of my money either. I left like 75 grand in there and was expecting the three payouts one after another. Thats what Richard said would occur. Disgustingly Richard was asking me to send more cash even though he knew my money was not on the way. I played there three years prior and was promised that they were under new management and a top notch book. OSGA told me this. I had just won like 200 grand and was being really stupid with my money. After Royal told me Id have to wait to be paid, I was not wanting to send more money to any book and so I figured Id just put it back into action. I know, fuckin retarded. You have no idea what lies this place told me before I sent them a penny. Richard guaranteed me that I wouldnt have any payout problems with Royal. They were basically slow paying me with my own money. It was the money I sent them and they were going to refuse payment? What crooks! I have played many places and Royal is the worst book Ive ever played at. Only Betus/Omni compares. These two books are so dishonest at every level. Even the clerks and customer service reps have been trained to lie. Its really sad. Its apparent where us gringos get our reputation after playing with Royal. Richard and Kevin King are the biggest slimeball liars Ive ever come across. I know that Im a freakin idiot for reversing my payouts but I thought it was hopeless. By the time I got in touch with somebody who could help me it was too late. It will never be too late for me to get back at Royal though! I have recouped much of that money in ways Royal will never be able to stop. Royal is a book that has western union flaws and thats where i come in.
 

Bucky

EOG Dedicated
Wow, OK - I understand a lot better now. Don't blame you for being bitter. I've got the same issue with ESB/Telebet-same lies from them.

The thing is - what is to stop them from getting away with it? Any of those places - Oh, we are the new owners and we do not incur any of the debts of the previous ownership, etc. Maybe we should form the Butch and Sundance coalition and get on a plane together and negotiate in person with places like this. Count me in if you ever have a problem like ths again. We'll have more bodyguards than that chump from BOS ever had!!!
 

TOW

EOG Enthusiast
Lets face it David....you've got someone to blame: your own greed. It was your greed that brought you to Royal (BIG Bonuses), it was your greed that made you lie.

Have they done you wrong ? YES.

Have you listened to your GREED and not your mind ? YES.

Time to move on....
 
Black Magic/Royalbasher/David1- I put Black Magic on ignore but I forgot to get his ghosts. So long Sybil, you are on ignore with all your other personalities too.

Bucky- Don't give that guy the time of day. He tried to scam Royal for $20k and even failed a lie detector test that was taken because he said that Royal altered tapes of his bets.
 

Caliente

Banned
Bucky, I failed a test that asked me if Royal altered the tapes of me losing my money back. Nothing else. Royal even admiited online at the rx that they did everything I said they did in my initial post. I only lied about making upthe story of not reversing payouts. Nothing else. People like me and you who know what its like to be scammed out of big money, not small players like Raider, understand that we are only seeking revenge for the misteatement and would never initiate the scam. Like I said in the initial post, there will be guys who like to ignore the facts of the case. Raider is a known empolyee of Royal's. He is paid by Royal to post good things about them. Now Raider just said he was going to ignore my posts but watch him respond to this post. I am man enough to apologize to the Shrink and the General for lying to them but I have no regret for seeking retribution from Royal for the scam they initiated. I see it as a scam to promise someone they wont have any payout problems and then when they ask for a payout you refuse to pay them. Who doesnt call that a scam?
As for you TOW. Stop being a dick. Until you know what its like to get scammed for 50 grand or more, you have no right to talk. You should know that I only lied to get back at Royal for scamming me. Roberto, you are the one who is always telling me how many outstanding complaints Royal has against them so how could you be so judgemental? I would have never had a problem with Royal if they would have just paid a winner his money. It had nothing to do with the bonus. I had already sent them 20 grand twice and they offered me a bonus. Was I supposed to say no thanks? Just because someone takes a bonus doesnt mean they have no right to get paid does it Roberto? If books dont want to give bonuses then they should stop offering them. The truth is Royal was unwilling to part with the money that I had sent them. And no Roberto, it wasnt big bomuses that brought me to Royal. It was a guarantee from OSGA Jim that brought me there. i was given a standard 20 % bonus on my first two deposits. That isnt greed asshole. I was just looking to gamble and get paid if I won. Is Roberto now making excuses for them? I will never stop seeking revenge against Royal and yes Bucky I would love to talk this over with you. Give me your email address. I will never move on until Royal offers me compemsation and if that never happens then who cares. I dont need the money.
 

TOW

EOG Enthusiast
David,

Forgive the prose but if there's a dick here that is you. You showed no respect for ken, general and myself. You REPEATEDLY LIED to the three of us.

There's no excuse for Royal slowpaying their customers. There is no excuse for players who lie to the ones that are supposed to help them.

Royal is not a book to recommend. This doesn't change the fact that you are a LIAR. You lied to the book, you lied to the people that were helping you.

What do you think all honest players think of you ? How many other players have been slow paid by Royal yet they have gotten paid in full because a) They were not degenerate and stopped playing when the slow pay began b) they did NOT lie to the people that were doing their utmost to help them.

Royal is a disgrace to the industry as much as you are a disgrace to your fellow players.

Cut the crap and move on.

Over and out.
 

Caliente

Banned
TOW, you have forgotten how many times I apologized to all three of my backers. You have also forgotten that I only lied to get back at Royal. I didnt initiate anything but revenge. Why do you think a guy as dumb as me was able to fool three bright experienced guys? Maybe because I had a right to seek revenge. Its easy for you to say move on TOW. Why should I? I will be letting Royal off the hook and Im not going to do that. I have admitted that it was a mistake not to be forthright with you guys at the time but I cant go back and fix that TOW. I wasnt trying to scam anyone and you know it. I called you a dick because you called me signing up with Royal GREED. Thats not true. i chose a book based on a referral I got. No bonus required. You call it greed for trying to get back at Royal? Do you forget how many times Royal offered me settlement TOW? Why would an innocent book offer me 20 grand to shut up? Good question for Raider! Im not going to keep apologizing to you three. Ive done it enough. Stop asking me to let it go. Its not going to happen. Royal is not a safe book and I dont want any naive poster, new poster, to play there. Is TOW going to keep the word out or get bought off like the rest? I read your act on the BOS thread and I wasnt impressed. All you guys care about is the money. Closing your eyes here and there. Forgetting a books past here and there. Ignoring a stiff job here and there. Its disgusting and like I said, If the politicians win this battle, you have yourself to blame. Asking me to forget about what Royal did to me. Are you crazy? You dont know how I feel. You of all people know damn well that eveything I say on the issue is 100% correct. I never have to exaggerate one fact because its all true. Go ahead and pay me to go away other wise dont waste your breath. And actually, Im not a liar. I lied. Im a very honest person who takes my character very seriously..We all make mistakes and I made one by not telling you the truth in the beginning. I had no idea that I still had a chance to recoup the money if I was honest about reversing the payouts. Thats a mistake I live with everyday TOW.
 

Caliente

Banned
Now that this is clear, back to the original message.

BEWARE of Royal sports. This book is not safe to send your money to. Please choose a respected book from this site of the other sites but stay away from the known crooks at Bet Royal.
THIS IS A WARNING. You wont be helped if and when Royal fucks you!
 
I do not like crooks. But the one time royal gave some free cash out I ran it up and collected. But that was years ago. I dont know who to believe. Royal Basher is say they are no good so I believe you. But on the other hand I know of a site that still promotes them. So who do you believe? I dont think anybody on here would lie. I am confused.:frustrate
 

Caliente

Banned
If you are serious which I think you are not, go look at the rx and you will see that Royal admitted to everything I have said and offered me 20 grand if I would admit that I was lying about the tapes. You cant be serious.
 

TOW

EOG Enthusiast
David,

In case you missed my post in the other thread:

David,

It may sound odd to you but its our precise duty to meet with ALL bookmakers. As far as the specific meeting with Royal I must say I was disturbed by a phone conversation I did not want to listen to yet I was asked to.

It was you David, using my name to get through to Kevin first, Amit later since Kevin was out.

It was you David, asking them to throw you a bone so you'd stop trashing them on the forums.

That's why I am extremely upset with you David. You keep on lying and deceiving, you use other people's names and, sadly enough, you use the forums to try to extort money David. 'Cause that's what its all about David, you keep bashing in the hope they'll buy your silence.

It was your voice David. I had no doubt it was you this time. I wish I never heard it though. I wish I could still believe you were an honest person who lied because you were desperate. Its not true David. You are a self serving liar who used and uses others to blackmail and extort books.

You make Tej look like Mother Theresa.

Yes, you are right David. Now we've seen it (and heard it) all.

Shame on you David W, shame on you.
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Caliente

Banned
I used his name to get Kevin to come to the phone. Big woop. Try caling Royal and asking for Kevin and see what happens. Hes in a meeting. Hes on vacation. So when I say its Roberto or anyone else they know , they come to the phone. Big deal Roberto. Not exactly a breaking story here bud. You act like i was hiding this. And yes when I was negotiating with Kevin and he stopped taking my calls, I used your name to get him on the line. Wow, another huge breaking story from our hero Roberto.
 

Caliente

Banned
Again, back to whats important.
Royal is not a safe book. Dont be a sucker like I was and send your money there. I am not the one asking you to send your money so dont fall for the ploys here. I am just a gambler who got scammed by Royal and dont want he same thing happening to you. Royal wants your money, not me!!
 
Let me get this straight, YOU yourself lost your money back. What was your logic for reversing the payout. Did you ask yourself, well they are slow paying me this payout, the hell with that, let me cancel that and try and win some money and not get paid on that either. At that point it was a no win situation for you to handle on your own. If I was being slow paid, the last thing I would do is try and win some more from them. From what I've read, I don't know how royal hasn't pressed charges against you. You have lied, and acted like you were someone else on the phone.
 

Santo

EOG Veteran
All: Life needs an ignore button, but in the meanwhile, doing it at each forum is a good start :)
 

The General

Another Day, Another Dollar
David, I don't oppose you sharing your experiences with a book or anything in life, but let's get honest and at least tell the whole truth man. I never held your lies against you, but you need to stop the Lies if you can. You told me the stories and posted on here about 3 heart surgeries. I felt bad for you, but i now even doubt if that was true.

Take care
 

Bucky

EOG Dedicated
Well, I know what its like being in a nut binder (aka slow pay). One of the tactics is to piss you off so bad you just start betting like a wild man. What to do when a guy is hung out to dry and in a slow pay? I guess, hound for installments - play small - not so small as to insult but like a 100 bucks or something. Maintain communication. Once the book is so pissed off they won't take phone calls the thing is in dire straits.

Whatever you do - don't try to scalp your way out. You could just as well scalp against yesterday's newspaper. Probably just make it worse. On top of that most of this information gets passed around privately on slow pays. Too many agendas to get solid information from anybody but another player like yourself. When you are in one it won't help your chances if you blow the whistle then. There is a certain every man for himself pyschology in the wild world of offshore gambling.

RB - I really don't know the exact details of your story but can understand what if feels like. In my case I have been biting my lip and saying this BS is not going to happen to me again. But, that is where the catch 22 comes in - risk - reward. Once you leave the mainstream you get better numbers-perks - but more risk. Play in cloneville and you lose a lot of advantage play but you get paid. Bucky2932000@Yahoo.com
 
the point david is making is not that he is a liar or scammer. he doesn't care about that. he just wants to warn us all that royal stiffed him. wouldn't pay him HIS money. that's all. let's not shift the topic to him. it's ROYAL we're talkin about, davis is already an admitted liar. now if royal would just admit they only pay winners when they want to. :+thumbs-2
 

Caliente

Banned
ID is one of three guys with common sense at this forum. Chuck Simms and Irolock are the others. Never knew how intelectually dishonest forum users were.:frustrate
 

Santo

EOG Veteran
If you're gonna try and use phrases like "intellectually dishonest" 1000 times a day, at least learn to spell it:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=intellectually

Now why don't you take Jay's advice in the other thread. Nobody is dishonest, why can't you see that you trying to extort books helps NO PLAYERS, it hurts the very players you claim you're trying to aid.
 

Caliente

Banned
Is that Books or book Santos? Thats what I mean when I say intelectually dishonest. Join the club liar! At least I admit my lies. You slant all your posts with this shit.
 
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