Super Bowl 'squares' a safe bet

The General

Another Day, Another Dollar
Law enforcers won't seek out gamblers, unless they get complaint

Tens of thousands of Macomb County residents will break the law by gambling on the upcoming Super Bowl. But don't bet on any of them getting arrested.

Serious and casual fans will join in "squares" and other gambling games for the Super Bowl XL in Detroit on Feb. 5, but law enforcement agencies won't be looking to enforce any gambling laws, unless they receive a complaint.

"There's probably 10,000 office pools in Warren," quipped Police Chief Danny Clark, adding: "We would investigate based on a complaint. But we're not looking for office pools. We look more at people with serious gambling problems, when a spouse calls and says there's no food in the refrigerator because the money has been gambled away."

Violation of most gambling laws in Michigan is a misdemeanor, with a penalty of up to one year in jail and a $1,000 fine.

Macomb County Prosecutor Eric Smith said his office would prosecute any gambling case that a police agency presents to his office.

"Gambling is per se against the law," he said. "If the facts support a crime, we'll charge it."

But he admitted, "We don't get many gambling cases here."

Smith's stance differs from his predecessor, former Prosecutor Carl Marlinga, who said his office would only pursue charges against someone who runs a pool over a certain dollar amount, operates the pool out of a bar or makes a profit.

The last highly visible gambling case with Macomb connections was the January 2000 bust of a sports-betting ring based out of Livonia but with ties to Clinton Township, Mount Clemens and Warren, among other metropolitan Detroit communities. Charges followed a 4-month investigation headed by Fraser police.

The Super Bowl is considered the biggest betting day of the year, as fans who gamble occasionally join those who regularly wager on sports on the Internet or with bookies.

The most common pool for the Super Bowl is squares in which bettors pay to select one or more boxes from a grid of 100 boxes. Two digits are randomly selected and assigned to each square, and scores from the game determine the winning boxes.

State law prohibits anyone from accepting "money or any valuable thing" contingent "upon the result of any race, contest or game." Another part of the law says that anyone who maintains records for the "registering of bets or buying or selling pools" has broken the law.

Although most violations of the law are misdemeanors, there also are felonies with multiyear penalties for operating a criminal enterprise and conspiracy to violate gambling laws. Portions of the law regarding "maintaining a gaming room" or operating a slot machine-type game heighten the penalty to a high misdemeanor or felony, both with maximum penalties of two years in jail.

Macomb County Sheriff Mark Hackel, who agreed his officers would only investigate illegal gambling based on a complaint, said state legislators should revise the law to allow small-scale office pools and poker parties because of the wide acceptance of such things.

"We shouldn't keep laws on the books for the heck of it," he said. "With the casinos and lottery, we allow so much of other types of gambling. People should be allowed to have their own little office pools or have a Texas Hold 'Em party with a $10 entry fee. You're just creating a fun environment. The legislators need to make a distinction between those people and the people who are really gambling."

Former Republican state Sen. Dave Jaye of Macomb County introduced a law in the late 1990s to make legal pools with entry fees of $10 and less and pots of $1,000 or less legal. The measure was passed by the Senate but died in the House of Representatives.

Lawmakers have allowed many types of gambling in Michigan, including at casinos and race tracks, and gaming for charity. Small-scale recreational poker is allowed at senior citizen centers.

Internet gambling, on Web sites operated outside of the United States, has skyrocketed in recent years and will be bountiful Feb. 5. Experts estimate that more than $450 million will be bet online for the Super Bowl.

Besides typical bets based on the outcome of the game, betting sites offer many special "props" for the Super Bowl. On Sports Interaction, gamblers can bet on which team will achieve the first first-down or call the first time out. The site includes a nonfootball wager: whether the first song to be played by halftime performer Rolling Stones will be "Satisfaction."

The amount of legal sports wagering in Las Vegas was $90.8 million for last year's Super Bowl in Jacksonville, Fla., according to the Nevada Gaming Control Board.

Robert Whyte, executive director of the National Council on Problem Gambling, said the amount of legal gambling is only a fraction of the illegal gambling that will take place for the Super Bowl.

For gambling addicts who are losing, the event is a chance for them to "chase their losses."

"It's a time problem gamblers are desperately trying to chase their losses for the season," Whyte said. "They see the Super Bowl as a time to break even. The psychology of gambling is you're always one bet away."

Whyte said "the vast majority of people" gamble harmlessly, but a small percentage of adults, from 3 percent to 5 percent, are problem or compulsive gamblers, according to experts and studies.

For those with a gambling problem, the National Council on Problem Gambling's help line is (800) 522-4700.

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Hache Man

"Seven Days Without Gambling Makes One Weak"
Wonder if we could sell enough squares here to fill one..............??
 

CHARLIEPEETE

EOG Dedicated
I AM STILLL LOOKING FOR ONE AND CAN'T FIND A SQUARE YET.........................MAYBE THE ARTICLE MADE EVERYONE THINK TWICE?????????????
 

tenman

EOG Senior Member
I have plenty going right now for work and can make up a sheet if anyone else is interested. I can email the sheet if one of the mods wants to collect the funds. (For news information only, of course).
 

Hache Man

"Seven Days Without Gambling Makes One Weak"
tenman said:
I have plenty going right now for work and can make up a sheet if anyone else is interested. I can email the sheet if one of the mods wants to collect the funds. (For news information only, of course).

Probably would depend on the price tenman........

Maybe you should create a thread to sell them and see if it generates enough interest.

Mayne $25 - $50 see which one would draw the most buyers.....

I would buy 2-3 $50 squares......That only leaves about 97more to sell! lol
 

tenman

EOG Senior Member
Hache Man said:
Probably would depend on the price tenman........

Maybe you should create a thread to sell them and see if it generates enough interest.

Mayne $25 - $50 see which one would draw the most buyers.....

I would buy 2-3 $50 squares......That only leaves about 97more to sell! lol

That is a good idea. With only a week to sell 100 squares we may have to do a $10 or $20 per square pool. (Simple math: $10 per square would pay $250 per quarter and double that for $20). It can be a sheet where the numbers change each quarter or stay the same. I have sheets made up for either case.
 

The General

Another Day, Another Dollar
I don't know how much hassle this will be. Haven't thought much about it, but I do have an account at neteller that would work well for this if we decide to do it. I don't see everyone sending the funds though.
 

tenman

EOG Senior Member
The General said:
I don't know how much hassle this will be. Haven't thought much about it, but I do have an account at neteller that would work well for this if we decide to do it. I don't see everyone sending the funds though.

You can also use PayPal which I used for another pool on another site. I know what you are saying about people sending the funds. If you do not send the funds, you don't get the square. We could also set one up on www.officefootballpool.com. I have played a few on there also. I will let you decide on what we can do.
 

Hache Man

"Seven Days Without Gambling Makes One Weak"
Very good deal when $50 can get you well over $1,000

I'm not sure everyone has played them or quite understand how well the payoff is..

Would be fun to post up here in a thread revealing what numbers everyone has and to follow during the game.....

Mods should be allowed and I'm sure Shrink would even purchase a couple, but we need one trustworthy person that wouldnt be playing & would draw the numbers for us......Maybe even an aquaintance from a book...

Still plenty of time with over a week to accomplish it......
 

kidslick

EOG Dedicated
I'm suprised that the offshore sportsbooks don't get involved in this

i have more boxes than i know what to do with

1,000 boxes (2 entries with multiple partners )
250 boxes i took 4 of them on 1 sheet

and a bunch of smaller ones.

i would love to see a 14-14 halftime
 

kidslick

EOG Dedicated
CHARLIEPEETE said:
carib sports has a whole bunch of squares.. i am depositing just to play the squares......................

when do they pick the numbers.
and what amount for the boxes
thanks
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
boeing has one

$1,000 A SQUARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

final score takes the ENTIRE POT

think about that!!!!!!!!!!!
 

kidslick

EOG Dedicated
winkyduck said:
boeing has one

$1,000 A SQUARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

final score takes the ENTIRE POT

think about that!!!!!!!!!!!

winky i have 2 squares with partners for that amount
the numbers are (one's that i think are good numbers)

1)first half 4-4
2)3rd 4th Q 1-4

final is 50k
 
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