Should EOG get rid of all mods?

Cloverleaf

EOG Dedicated
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

HorseHockey my friend.

EOG.....not AS THE WORLD TURNS..... nothing personal but if you are NOT interested in sports....wrong NETWORK.

This place ROCKED a few years back because of SPORTS.

EOG needs and will make a decision if they want to be SPORTS or a heaven for every suckege who is lonely.
 
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

Excuse me for butting in here but I see some good dialogue and observations in this thread as well as some posters taking the opportunity to take shots at the current moderators. The first should be encouraged while the second is a bit difficult for me to take considering what the staff here at EOG has had to endure, both personally and while continuing to find a direction for the forum after Ken took his life. I think any rational person would agree that it can't have been easy for the staff over the past four months.

Having said that, EOG clearly needs to implement a realistic business plan. The floundering around while posters leave in droves simply can not go on if the forum is to survive. There are a multitude of personalities here, as with any other public forum and to ignore that each and every poster has a valid opinion, is short sighted, at least in my estimation.

Kinger's suggestion while certainly radical and clearly in the face of current EOG mentality, has some merit. Granted, while his idea regarding rewarding posters for exceptional posted content is far from being easily implemented, it is a fresh idea and I think few here would argue that fresh ideas are what is in short supply as EOG moves into what has typically been the busiest season.

Just my unsolicited two cents . . . . .


Judge, very nice piece.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

Excuse me for butting in here but I see some good dialogue and observations in this thread as well as some posters taking the opportunity to take shots at the current moderators. The first should be encouraged while the second is a bit difficult for me to take considering what the staff here at EOG has had to endure, both personally and while continuing to find a direction for the forum after Ken took his life. I think any rational person would agree that it can't have been easy for the staff over the past four months.

Having said that, EOG clearly needs to implement a realistic business plan. The floundering around while posters leave in droves simply can not go on if the forum is to survive. There are a multitude of personalities here, as with any other public forum and to ignore that each and every poster has a valid opinion, is short sighted, at least in my estimation.

Kinger's suggestion while certainly radical and clearly in the face of current EOG mentality, has some merit. Granted, while his idea regarding rewarding posters for exceptional posted content is far from being easily implemented, it is a fresh idea and I think few here would argue that fresh ideas are what is in short supply as EOG moves into what has typically been the busiest season.

Just my unsolicited two cents . . . . .

Your two cents is appreciated. Everyone's opinion is respected at this site, some more than others. I appreciate both EOG's supporters and detractors. Interestingly, I've learned more from the detractors than the supporters. With assistance from our ownership group, I'm currently crafting a comprehensive mission statement that will be published September 1.
 

Almost Allright

GO Bucks!!!
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

A signature is a piece of text which is included at the bottom of each post you make. You'll see when you make a post in either the Quick Reply or Advanced editors, a check-box to the lower left which says "Show your signature", giving you the option to leave it off certain posts if you wish. You set your signature in the User CP. Oftentimes I use historical quotes for my signature, but if I see a post I really think expresses something, I've been known to use it for awhile. In this case I thought JK's statement captured the essence of the fact that while he is a good gambler, he's not a bona fide forum person.

Not everything on a gambling forum is going to be directly related to a person's next wager, because these are social sites at heart. Like any voluntary association, there will be politicking and bickering, and an ongoing struggle to establish a pecking order. Leaders need to be available to their members and responsive to the group as a whole as well as to individual members because nobody needs to be here for any reason, they have to want to be here and that means feeling respected. I never liked The Shrink, but I had to respect him for his understanding that a balance needed to be struck on any forum between on-topic discussion and the "drama" factor. In contrast, I don't see any such understanding being manifested under JK's leadership. If EOG is to remain a viable business, it can't just tacitly exclude anyone who doesn't want to talk about sports and gambling 24/7. EOG survives because sportsbooks trust that they will put their brand name in front of the most eyeballs, not just the ones that fit the management's idea of a good poster.

That's why I chose the signature I'm now using.
 

Almost Allright

GO Bucks!!!
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

rouge, i hate replying to you because it gives you another opportunity to rewrite roots and war and peace, but these are not social sites at heart. sports and betting, at least in the beginning, were what these sites were about. I will say the passing of laws making it tough to bet on line has allowed these sites to become platforms for people to drone on and on about petty crap. drone on and on...sound like anyone you know?
 

munson15

I want winners...
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

A signature is a piece of text which is included at the bottom of each post you make. You'll see when you make a post in either the Quick Reply or Advanced editors, a check-box to the lower left which says "Show your signature", giving you the option to leave it off certain posts if you wish. You set your signature in the User CP. Oftentimes I use historical quotes for my signature, but if I see a post I really think expresses something, I've been known to use it for awhile. In this case I thought JK's statement captured the essence of the fact that while he is a good gambler, he's not a bona fide forum person.

Not everything on a gambling forum is going to be directly related to a person's next wager, because these are social sites at heart. Like any voluntary association, there will be politicking and bickering, and an ongoing struggle to establish a pecking order. Leaders need to be available to their members and responsive to the group as a whole as well as to individual members because nobody needs to be here for any reason, they have to want to be here and that means feeling respected. I never liked The Shrink, but I had to respect him for his understanding that a balance needed to be struck on any forum between on-topic discussion and the "drama" factor. In contrast, I don't see any such understanding being manifested under JK's leadership. If EOG is to remain a viable business, it can't just tacitly exclude anyone who doesn't want to talk about sports and gambling 24/7. EOG survives because sportsbooks trust that they will put their brand name in front of the most eyeballs, not just the ones that fit the management's idea of a good poster.

That's why I chose the signature I'm now using.
Thanks for the explanation, I have no signature then, and you create one in the user cp. I finally know.:+textinb3
 
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

This is a very interesting thread, and just goes to show how LITTLE most of you know. Judge, you, of all people, should talk. You and your floundering D rated book. The truth of the matter is that the Judge is in a desperate attempt to help out his buddy at another forum by offering some crazy contest to the poeple in that forum only. Judge, you should stay in that forum. You dare give business suggestions with that mess that you run now? What a joke. Only a complete and total fool would think that each and every poster in each and every site has a valid opinion. That is like saying that each and every off shore book is legitimate, and as you well know, that is not the case. Save your advice for your buddies Judge. We do not need it in here.

It looks like someone tried to steal an idea at SBR, where they award points that can be redeemed for certain itmes ranging form money into an of shore book to flowers, to gift cards, to you name it. SBR also runs many contests where they award points, and gives extra points for blogs. That is fine, if EOG has the money to do this. That is also something that EOG will decide, and no one else. You smart asses that have been around for a while and think you know everything about this site are in for a rude awakening. You do not.

Now as far as this site itself is concerned, there was a lot of crap being tossed around between the time of Ken's passing and Mo's leaving. A lot of morons in here were predicting the end of EOG. Fools were claiming that Mo's new site would soon pass EOG up. Well Mo's new site is sh**, with very few posters. Sometimes, the college football thread will go for 2 or 3 days without a new post. So you clowns who were boasting about the end of EOG have no idea about sites. You are nothing more than a bunch of gossip queens, and EOG sure as hell does not need you. There are very few sites with the same number of active posters as this site has. Ofcourse none of you would know this because none of you monitor and post at a lot of different sites.

As far as the mods go, you guys are lucky that I am not a mod, because if I were, I would throw many of your worthless asses out of here, and kick a few, up close and personal. Do you people have any idea of the bullshit that these mods have to go through on a daily basis? They have to read about morons who have 90% winning football angles. They have to put with the fools like gynecologist, who contribute nothing, but loves to jump all over the mods tails. That is because in real life, he gets his tail jump on daily.

The mods have to put up with the 85% of you who are losers in here. And don't try to B.S. me. Most of you in here are losers, and do nothing except cry about it, and go ballistic when you finally win somethng. But worse than any of that is the fact that the mods have to put up with you drama queens in here. The many of you that have no life at all, are total losers, and have to start crap to get attention. The many of you who have to pick a fight in here because in real life, if you got into fights, you would become regulars in the ER. So you queens flood the Online Sportsbook and Gambling Discussion thread with your moronic dissertations and prepare to defend yourselves for the inevitable onslaught of criticism that is coming your way. The mods have to read all of the crap that you post, decide what can stay, what goes into the asylum (which is where most of you belong), and who gets warned about what.

If you need the computer to find your "social" life, you are one poor dumb loser. So the mods basically have to deal with many losers in here. Losers who get tired of being stepped on every day in real life. Losers who could not win a hand of three card poker with five cards. You guys know who you are. You are the gutless ones. The ones who do nothing but complain, and offer very littie in the way of sports information. This is a sports and gaming site, not a social site. Not a political site. If you have nothing to offer in the world of sports (and some of you do not), then get the hell out of here. If you do not like the way things have gone since Mo left, go to his worthless site. That dumb S.O.B. still supports Tennessee football, despite their chicken s**t apporach to canceling games. I'm sure he will welcome you with open arms. He needs all the help he can get. If you want to see more contests in here, talk it over with J.K. See what can be done. But if you want to continue to come up with ignorant ideas like running EOG without mods, take it to another site.

There are some of us who are trying to keep the garbage out of this site. We stick to our chosen sport, and ignore the rest of you phonies out there. We are starting to see some success in the growth of these sub-forums. We do not need a bunch of dysfunctional queens bitching and moaning about the mods in this site. This site has people wo hae a ton of information to offer. The problem is that the queens aften get in the way of these dsicussions with their worthless opinions, based on absolutely nothing. The mods, Blondie, Jimmie, Ball, and KingRevolver do a very good job of trying to keep things in line in here. They put up with a lot more crap from you losers than they should. You queens should be thankful that these mods show so much patients with you. I promise you that you would not get that much patience shown to you in most other sites. And you fools think that you would be better off with no mods? This site wold not last a week.
 
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

The Judge is good people. I have no idea where this left field esponse came from. Judge, you wrote a "straight to the point piece that was excellent." Good luck Judge, I hope you have a great year.
 
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

The Judge is good people. I have no idea where this left field esponse came from. Judge, you wrote a "straight to the point piece that was excellent." Good luck Judge, I hope you have a great year.
This clown has been stalking me around the forums for years because I won't buy into the bullshit he routinely spews. He posted under BigDaddyQH until he was banned for threatening me and other EOG posters with calling the Feds on us.
All I will say to you Judge is this. How good is your memory? Remember when big mouths like yourself and Jack told me that I was crazy and the Feds would never kick off shore casino's out of this country? Remember that Judge? And waht happened? They got their asses kicked out of this country. Do you want to be next? That can easily be arranged. So why don't you drop it. You and your little friends have fun playing big bookie. When my friends and I want to put you out of business, we will, and their is not a single thing you can do about it. If you do not know this by now, you are as ignorat as I thought you were. All it takes is one complaint.
http://forums.eog.com/f22/2009-college-football-notebook-231072/index3.html#post2257071

I can't believe that the EOG powers that be continue to allow him to post his vile crap.
 

BigDaddy

EOG Master
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

judge is JYD really my little brother bigdaddyhq
:LMAO

JK!

it is nice to know who these people really are though if in fact he is HQ

thanks judge and hope all is well:cheers
 
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

Postscript: These new static IDs for the subforums are absolutely killing EOG on Google. No pages that were indexed by Google before the change are available when searched for. EOG appears to have ceased existing to anyone who clicks on a link to this site which was made two weeks ago or older; all they get is a "Page Not Found" error and not even a link to the forum or homepage. I don't know any successful business who would tolerate such a condition, and yet nothing is done to solve it. Perhaps JK could update us about his work on the matter when he finishes handicapping the WNBA, since that takes priority over his commitment to this community.
JK, did you even see this part? Do you have a plan for how to fix this situation? Do you care? Everything about your behavior to date suggests you don't.

Nice call on the Lynx. :doh1
 

Downbound Train

EOG Senior Member
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Seanie. I didn't mean for my posts to sound like I was sniffing around for a gig here, because honestly I'd be very reticent to do so. I enjoy posting because I get to do it of my own accord and on the topics which genuinely interest me, and that's a hobby I'd hate to see become a chore.

I hope you're right about JK, too. I thought this thread might serve as a good platform for him to share with us at least a few of his ideas for the upcoming season, considering we're at two weeks and counting. So far, he hasn't even released his Mission Statement, which troubles me. The best way to roll out any changes would be to get the posters on board before they're implemented, creating a sense of anticipation and allowing us to help in vetting the potential pitfalls of any new feature. The fact that he still hasn't even given us a glimpse into his plans leads me to wonder if he even has any plans, and perhaps that's why I tend to be critical of his judgment. I'd like to join you in the belief that JK has a vision for EOG that's worth contributing to, but until he can produce something concrete to evaluate, I'm afraid I'll have to remain a hardened skeptic of his leadership abilities.


In all fairness to Rogue the Mission Statement was promised for early August with full implementation by Sept 1. This was very reasonable and implied the vetting possibilities in the weeks between. This has not come to pass and questions as to why not are extremely fair.

On June 1st several posted that a new leader requires new staff for effective change.

It is only ironic that this thread two months later now asks if this is what needs to be done.
 

munson15

I want winners...
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

JK, did you even see this part? Do you have a plan for how to fix this situation? Do you care? Everything about your behavior to date suggests you don't.

Nice call on the Lynx. :doh1
First part, legit questions, second part, cheap shot.2938u4ji23
 
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

JK has made plenty of condescending comments to the effect that serious gamblers shouldn't have time to get caught up in posting passionately about topics not directly related to gambling. I've read those posts from him in a couple threads here that I had a deep interest in. In this thread he took it a step further and basically ignored a number of serious questions under the pretext that he was too busy handicapping to take the matter seriously. My comment was a product of the frustration that has come from waiting for him to take this forum seriously and be the leader this place is worthy of.

But you guys are right, it was a cheap shot, and I should've shown more restraint. I hope John Kelly can accept my apology and understands why I felt the need to lash out at the expense of my own dignity.
 

munson15

I want winners...
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

Apology accepted, Rogue, you must remember that many of us tail these picks so rubbing salt in the wound never goes over well.12io4j2w90
 

Almost Allright

GO Bucks!!!
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

JK has made plenty of condescending comments to the effect that serious gamblers shouldn't have time to get caught up in posting passionately about topics not directly related to gambling. I've read those posts from him in a couple threads here that I had a deep interest in. In this thread he took it a step further and basically ignored a number of serious questions under the pretext that he was too busy handicapping to take the matter seriously. My comment was a product of the frustration that has come from waiting for him to take this forum seriously and be the leader this place is worthy of.

But you guys are right, it was a cheap shot, and I should've shown more restraint. I hope John Kelly can accept my apology and understands why I felt the need to lash out at the expense of my own dignity.

maybe just maybe john doesn't give a fuck what u think.
 

ballwonder

EOG Master
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

Very well could be the case AA. Rogue do you post at the Rx, Sbr and other places as well?
 
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

Sure Ballwonder, I stop by all the major places in forumville, looking for interesting threads to get involved in. Anything to help pass the hours while I watch the line moves on my monitor, waiting for trigger prices to be passed. SBR was my first forum, and I still post there from time to time, but it's changed a lot (for the worse) since I was a prolific poster there. Currently I call CapWins home, they have great leadership that isn't afraid to tackle the hard questions, which is my primary criteria for a good place to post.

If JK doesn't care what I think, that's certainly his right. Lord knows I've never been the type of poster to swing from anybody's nuts, and with the current state of things over here, I'm sure those posters are the ones he feels he has to surround himself with. I'll continue to be a voice of dissent, the Devil's advocate, and hope that something good comes from having all opinions represented here, and not just the contest whores, shills and other misanthropes looking to capitalize on JK's inexperience with the forum world. You won't see me calling people names or hijacking threads to suit my own purposes, I know all the rules. I'll just continue to ask pertinent questions which will either serve to illustrate how quickly JK is learning about the details of his new job, or how much he still has to learn. When he ignores me, it may be frustrating to me, but his reputation for competency is the thing that really gets injured.
 

heart222

EOG Veteran
Re: Should EOG get rid of all mods?

just possibly its getting better. I noticed a rather offensive post here and when i complained I now seethe post and follow ups have been taken down. Congras to KR on this one. Junkyard I guess your a pro gambler from Vegas but you really have to lighten up on everybody else. I noticed your all over the guy who said he hit 90% LY. I notice he has a prety good NFL pre season so why not cut him some slack ::)). Lookingforward to college football and I am a hockey guy so hope to be helpful during the hockey season.
 
Top