RESPONSE TO THE SHRINK ABOUT LINESMOVER

LinesMover

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Good question.
We do not rate or endorse sportsbooks.
Cascade is a book that some people follow. 12io4j2w90
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The Shrink wrote:
I think it would be in your best interest NOT to display an entity that isn't payout out anyone....

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Just for the record.
[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1] We do not offer sports picks or gambling related advice.
Nor do we offer opinions, reviews, news or links to online sportsbooks.

No sportbooks advertise with LinesMover. Nor do we receive any commissions from any Affiliate relationships.

The sole purpose of the LinesMover product is to provide Real-Time Live Lines, News, Injury Reports, News, Scores etc. [/SIZE][/FONT]So this begs the question:
Why is Lenny's Book "BetCascade" one of the SportsBooks we have on the LinesMover screen?

Let me guess:
Without Cascade, we would only have 43 Books on the screen?
Not exactly.

Answer:
There are many sportbooks that subscribe to LinesMover that want to see Lenny's Lines. It is just as simple as that.

Bottom Line: Can we please see some Threads started that actually Bash the LinesMover product?
I request this for two reasons.
1) Let the public know the truth whether LinesMover is worth a shit or not.
2) Those that post with knowledge and hands on experience about LinesMover will serve to make the product better for all.

With all due respect, I have been posting my ass off here for the better part of three months.
Lots of politics, cat and mouse games, ghosts etc. But very little has been said about the product.

True Story:
I posted at TheRX the other night.
CarolinaKid aka CK came in and Bashed the Fuck out of LinesMover.
He said our Real-Time Lines were Slower than both DonBest and SportsOptions.

I challenged him to provide the Username he has for LinesMover.
I did this because I knew that he was just another ghost for the competition.
I even promised to post a new thread at TheRX saying that LinesMover has the Slowest Lines in the Bussiness

Guess what happened? He posted his LinesMover Username. He was telling the truth. And yes, I posted the Thread as promised.

The next day, our programmers made an improvement that brought us up to speed.

But how many have posted about what they like or dislike about the LinesMover product at EOG?

Thanks for the Branding Ken and JMan. And I mean that with all my heart.
The money invested has been well worth the results.

But is it possible to get down to the meat and potatoes?
Can we actually hear from people at EOG that have actually tried the product? :cheers
 
Enfuego

Enfuego

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And say his with as much honesty as possible. You being involved with JMAN in the first place is a huge mistake.

I'm sure you have a great product.
 
Journeyman

Journeyman

EOG Master
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Enfuego your obsession with me is admirable...keep up the good work.

I'm sure you know the product is great....keep trying kid...perhaps you culd also PM Rick A for hiring me to work for him as well....and The Shrink while you're at it.

Now go grade your contest and say hello to Dsethi the scamming tout...I have given more time and my own money to the posters than you could ever, keep trying to sling mud baby.
 
Enfuego

Enfuego

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Journeyman said:
Enfuego your obsession with me is admirable...keep up the good work.

I'm sure you know the product is great....keep trying kid...perhaps you culd also PM Rick A for hiring me to work for him as well....and The Shrink while you're at it.

Now go grade your contest and say hello to Dsethi the scamming tout...I have given more time and my own money to the posters than you could ever, keep trying to sling mud baby.
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I'll tell you what. I honestly think you are the biggest scum of any offshore gambling forum on the web. As a gambler, there are two things you should never do:

- Not pay on a bet
- Rat out other gamblers/posters

You, my friend, have done both. You still owe a poster a tremendous amount of money and you claim to have conacted the feds about that said situation and you will soon win the RX's "Biggest Douche" contest.

So, from now on I just won't waste my time with you but instead post the thread that alerted everyone in the community just how white trash you really are.

http://www.therxforums.com/showthrea...=515859&page=4
 
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roscoe

EOG Veteran
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what happened to the days when if you were a book on the don best screen,there was no doubt about your credit worthiness!
 
LinesMover

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Enfuego said:
And say his with as much honesty as possible. You being involved with JMAN in the first place is a huge mistake.

I'm sure you have a great product.
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Thanks Enfuego,

We negotiated with JMan to insure that his stiff status would be cleaned up before we allowed him to do the EOG contests for us.

A person I respect tells me JMan is an all star poster. But I honestly do not know this to be true as I am new to forumville.

What I do know is that Mr. T has been paid $1,500.00 to cover the $500.00 per month commitment. Next payment is due in October.

With that said, you my be absolutely correct. We got Bashed at TheRX the other night for the same reason you posted.


Re your quote:
"I'm sure you have a great product."

Truth is, we are not so sure.
I would be very pleased if you tried it free for a few days and post what you feel. :cheers
 
Enfuego

Enfuego

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LinesMover said:
Thanks Enfuego,

We negotiated with JMan to insure that his stiff status would be cleaned up before we allowed him to do the EOG contests for us.

A person I respect tells me JMan is an all star poster. But I honestly do not know this to be true as I am new to forumville.

What I do know is that Mr. T has been paid $1,500.00 to cover the $500.00 per month commitment. Next payment is due in October.

With that said, you my be absolutely correct. We got Bashed at TheRX the other night for the same reason you posted.


Re your quote:
"I'm sure you have a great product."

Truth is, we are not so sure.
I would be very pleased if you tried it free for a few days and post what you feel. :cheers
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LinesMover, I'm sure you do have a great product and I'd like to try it but I will never ever put my money into any operation that hired a known thief and rat. I'm sorry, that's just how I feel. My money to pay you would be going to support him and that's not going to happen in my lifetime.
 
Tuckman

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Enfuego said:
LinesMover, I'm sure you do have a great product and I'd like to try it but I will never ever put my money into any operation that hired a known thief and rat. I'm sorry, that's just how I feel. My money to pay you would be going to support him and that's not going to happen in my lifetime.
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but your willing to put your free time (which in my eyes is way more important as u could be spending it with your family instead) then giving money to a product when all in all its gonna revert back to jman in 1 way..

pay for line service to linemovers = gets back to jman as he works there

offer your free time to grade a contest where jman works = he gets paid from there


your logic is assinine, your trying to get jman fired by supposly putting down your foot and not paying for a product cuz hes involved, but all in all you hangout at a site that employs him as well
 
Enfuego

Enfuego

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Tuckman said:
but your willing to put your free time (which in my eyes is way more important as u could be spending it with your family instead) then giving money to a product when all in all its gonna revert back to jman in 1 way..

pay for line service to linemovers = gets back to jman as he works there

offer your free time to grade a contest where jman works = he gets paid from there


your logic is assinine, your trying to get jman fired by supposly putting down your foot and not paying for a product cuz hes involved, but all in all you hangout at a site that employs him as well
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Huh? I don't think me not paying for a line service will get a guy fired. If you don't buy a taco from Taco Bell is an employee going to get fired?
 
LinesMover

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roscoe said:
what happened to the days when if you were a book on the don best screen,there was no doubt about your credit worthiness!
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Roscoe,
Good question :cheers

Back in the day, I would trust a DonBest Premium Book more than any other book recommended by any other source.

We also thought about rating and recommending books at LinesMover.
The commissions alone with affiliate or paid advertising programs would be worth big bucks.

We decided that the current DOJ environment takes away from our ability to forecast the future and security of any book. 12io4j2w90
 
Tuckman

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Enfuego said:
Huh? I don't think me not paying for a line service will get a guy fired. If you don't buy a taco from Taco Bell is an employee going to get fired?
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plain and simple u are turning into a lil whiney bitch and everyone is against u 1 way or another, worst part is your now a lil protected :hangt

he said i lied, he said i wasnt a soldier, hes white trash, hes picking on me, hes entering in my threads... act like a "soldier" and man up and stop being a bitch :rolleyes:
 
LinesMover

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Enfuego said:
LinesMover, I'm sure you do have a great product and I'd like to try it but I will never ever put my money into any operation that hired a known thief and rat. I'm sorry, that's just how I feel. My money to pay you would be going to support him and that's not going to happen in my lifetime.
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I think we cleared up the stiff issue awhile back.

Can you please post more about the Rat thing?

With all due respect, I am not the smartest Bear in these parts of the woods.

What say you? 12io4j2w90
 
Enfuego

Enfuego

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Tuckman said:
plain and simple u are turning into a lil whiney bitch and everyone is against u 1 way or another, worst part is your now a lil protected :hangt

he said i lied, he said i wasnt a soldier, hes white trash, hes picking on me, hes entering in my threads... act like a "soldier" and man up and stop being a bitch :rolleyes:
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Tuck, I don't even know you. There is one guy here and only one I have a tremendous problem with and you know who that is and for good reason.

Can you tell me why on earth a guy would beat out more than 60+ posters to win a biggest douche contest if people really didn't dislike the guy for good reason?
 
Tuckman

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sorry about the thread hijack linesmover, keep up the excellent work
 
THE SHRINK

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Don,

Although I hear you argument for keeping Cascade aboard, I suspect you wouldn't lose ONE single customer if you took them down...

And if anything, you once again come across as someone trying to do the right thing...

My 2 cents,

THE SHRINK
 
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durito

EOG Senior Member
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Care to explain exactly what use anyone has for lines from a book that owes $2 million and has not paid in years?

I'm shopping for a new line service, but I'm not paying anyone that in anyway chooses to associate themselves with that outfit.
 
Journeyman

Journeyman

EOG Master
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durito said:
Care to explain exactly what use anyone has for lines from a book that owes $2 million and has not paid in years?

I'm shopping for a new line service, but I'm not paying anyone that in anyway chooses to associate themselves with that outfit.
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Don Best has Cascade as well.
 
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buddypar4

EOG Enthusiast
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What really makes the situation even worse is the fact that there is an even larger percentages of square's that no nothing about an offshore forum or any of the info regarding grading of certain books and that is why Cascade is still in business. they pick up new customer's every day and the customer is completely unaware.
 
ArchieBunker

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<TABLE class=tborder style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=thead colSpan=2>08-30-08 11:18 PM</TD></TR><TR title="Post 1463717" vAlign=top><TD class=alt2 align=middle width=125>Journeyman</TD><TD class=alt1>Re: RESPONSE TO THE SHRINK ABOUT LINESMOVER
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Care to explain exactly what use anyone has for lines from a book that owes $2 million and has not paid in years?

I'm shopping for a new line service, but I'm not paying anyone that in anyway chooses to associate themselves with that outfit.
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Don Best has Cascade as well. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


Just another reason not to use DB. Cascade's a stiff, plain and simple. But I guess that doesn't bother some posters.
 
The Meatman

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LinesMover.com says:
The sole purpose of the LinesMover product is to provide Real-Time Live Lines, News, Injury Reports, News, Scores etc. So this begs the question:
Why is Lenny's Book "BetCascade" one of the SportsBooks we have on the LinesMover screen?

Let me guess:
Without Cascade, we would only have 43 Books on the screen?
Not exactly.

Answer:
There are many sportbooks that subscribe to LinesMover that want to see Lenny's Lines. It is just as simple as that,



You have got to be kidding me. There is not one(1) human on planet earth spending $300 to $500 for a live line service that wants to see Cascade's numbers. Just in case you don't know this Lenny does not pay winners. Lenny is in debt for millions of dollars. Are you saying you have people who purchase your live lines that still bet at Cascade? That's BS and you know it.


Dave "The MeatMan" Scandaliato
 
trytrytry

trytrytry

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linesmover....how about calling Lenny (you seem to know of him) and just ask him as a business man when he will start paying players?>

Tell him you love to have his feed and numbers on the screen but you know first hand that he is not paying anyone. Maybe a little industry collegue to collegue talk can help the players...

I tell you what if Lenny pays me my balance in the next 3 months I will pay you for a year service for you in advance! In fact you can have Lenny just transfer my entire account balance to you there and just keep charging me month by month till its dry! Can you help?
 
Tuckman

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trytrytry said:
linesmover....how about calling Lenny (you seem to know of him) and just ask him as a business man when he will start paying players?>

Tell him you love to have his feed and numbers on the screen but you know first hand that he is not paying anyone. Maybe a little industry collegue to collegue talk can help the players...

I tell you what if Lenny pays me my balance in the next 3 months I will pay you for a year service for you in advance! In fact you can have Lenny just transfer my entire account balance to you there and just keep charging me month by month till its dry! Can you help?
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leave it to try cubed to drop the hammer.. hope u get some sorta money out of this man, or a lineservice :cheers
 
LinesMover

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THE SHRINK said:
Don,

Although I hear you argument for keeping Cascade aboard, I suspect you wouldn't lose ONE single customer if you took them down...

And if anything, you once again come across as someone trying to do the right thing...

My 2 cents,

THE SHRINK
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Thanks for chiming in Dr.

We do not have Lenny's lines to attract customers. We have them because some of the books want to see their lines.

From a players point of view, there is only one reason a player would subscribe to a lines service.
And that is because the player has outs on the screen he is watching.

Did it ever occur to you that Cascade may be one of the player's outs?

Is it not correct to provide as much information as possible to the subscriber?

You also wrote:
The Shrink,
And if anything, you once again come across as someone trying to do the right thing...

My Response:
Thank you very much for the back handed compliment.
Have you used the LinesMover product?
What do you think about it?
 
LinesMover

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durito said:
Care to explain exactly what use anyone has for lines from a book that owes $2 million and has not paid in years?

I'm shopping for a new line service, but I'm not paying anyone that in anyway chooses to associate themselves with that outfit.
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Hello Durito,

We have a multitude of sponsors including Michael Vick, OJ Simpson, EXXON, George W, Osama, Charlie Manson, Cascade and the Cambino Family.

Others offering a stake are The Red Cross, The American Medical Association, MADD, The DOJ and Sarah Palin.

We asked Barrack Obama but he was busy doing some sort of election thing. :cheers
 
trytrytry

trytrytry

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"Did it ever occur to you that Cascade may be one of the player's outs?"


No...They dont pay why provide a feed and link to customers who are not getting paid from this scam book?



"Is it not correct to provide as much information as possible to the subscriber? "

Yes in the cascade slot instead of numbers post "NEVER send them a penny, they are a stiff joint that have not paid anyone in 2 years but keep begging for deposits" that would be a nice use of that space!
 
THE SHRINK

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trytrytry said:
"Did it ever occur to you that Cascade may be one of the player's outs?"


No...They dont pay why provide a feed and link to customers who are not getting paid from this scam book?



"Is it not correct to provide as much information as possible to the subscriber? "

Yes in the cascade slot instead of numbers post "NEVER send them a penny, they are a stiff joint that have not paid anyone in 2 years but keep begging for deposits" that would be a nice use of that space!
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agree, agree, agree...12io4j2w9012io4j2w9012io4j2w90

This is a no brainer as the negatives far outweigh the positives...

You stood up and did the right thing when CRIS asked you not to scrape but now you choose to ignore the voice of reasonable posters?

Is Casacde that important?

I don't get it....

Really I don't...
 
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durito

EOG Senior Member
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LinesMover said:
Hello Durito,

We have a multitude of sponsors including Michael Vick, OJ Simpson, EXXON, George W, Osama, Charlie Manson, Cascade and the Cambino Family.

Others offering a stake are The Red Cross, The American Medical Association, MADD, The DOJ and Sarah Palin.

We asked Barrack Obama but he was busy doing some sort of election thing. :cheers
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Is this post supposed to make sense?

I'm kind of the type of client you want for your service. You aren't helping yourself.
 
LinesMover

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The Meatman said:
You have got to be kidding me. There is not one(1) human on planet earth spending $300 to $500 for a live line service that wants to see Cascade's numbers. Just in case you don't know this Lenny does not pay winners. Lenny is in debt for millions of dollars. Are you saying you have people who purchase your live lines that still bet at Cascade? That's BS and you know it.
Dave "The MeatMan" Scandaliato
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Dave,
Your point is well taken.
Any moron that signs up with Lenny is a total idiot.
Cascades lines are not posted until late in the day.
They are totally useless from a linesmovers point of view.
Lenny does not even get into the office until the afternoon most days due to a hangover.

The only players left at Cascade are the Sharps that know how to get paid.
And they do get paid.

If there is one benefit to see Cascade's lines on the screen, it is the 2nd Halves. His 2nd half lines represent very sharp lines vs. very sharp players. 12io4j2w90
 
trytrytry

trytrytry

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OK lets learn a bit here...

What does this mean specifically?

"The only players left at Cascade are the Sharps that know how to get paid.
And they do get paid."

who is getting paid? and how? thanks!
 
LinesMover

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trytrytry said:
"Did it ever occur to you that Cascade may be one of the player's outs?"


No...They dont pay why provide a feed and link to customers who are not getting paid from this scam book?



"Is it not correct to provide as much information as possible to the subscriber? "

Yes in the cascade slot instead of numbers post "NEVER send them a penny, they are a stiff joint that have not paid anyone in 2 years but keep begging for deposits" that would be a nice use of that space!
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TTT.
We are not SBR, EOG Covers or TheRX. And we do not receive any funds from the books on our screen.

But you and others here have made valid points for those that may think that we may endorsing books.

As such, we took down Cascade from our home page earlier today.

They are still visible on the LinesMover screen, but are not mentioned on the web site.

Thanks to TTT and others for the suggestions. :cheers
 
LinesMover

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trytrytry said:
OK lets learn a bit here...

What does this mean specifically?

"The only players left at Cascade are the Sharps that know how to get paid.
And they do get paid."

who is getting paid? and how? thanks!
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We don't care who is getting paid.

Sorry to be so blunt, but we really don't care.

Our focus is on providing accurate and timely game time information.12io4j2w90
 
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