Don Best Sports

Don Best

EOG Member
Generally, Don Best Sports is not active in making posts on the various forums for a variety of good reasons, with all due respect to the forum readers. We are making an exception in this case because we?ve seen some discussion on some important issues, and we?d like to set the record straight and provide our perspective.
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New Ownership<O:p
First, many of you may not know that Don Best is under new ownership and management. In April 2008, Corcom, Inc. d/b/a Don Best Sports(DB)was purchased by Big Stick Media Corp, an Ontario based Corporation that trades publicly on the Toronto Stock Exchange. We are not owned by any sportsbook, directly or through stockholders. At this time, Big Stick Media has over 450 shareholders. The only shareholder larger than 10% (and under 20%) is SkillJam Corporation, a company that is ultimately owned by Liberty Media
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DB has a long and respected history in this industry, having invented the computerized line service and provided first class service for many years. We understand that after 2005 when the original owners of Don Best sold the company, there had been complaints that the quality of service suffered. It does seem that last year, prior to our purchase of DB, injury reporting was not as good as in years past. We are here to tell you that we are intent on restoring the high level of customer service that Don Best has always been known for, and there is no question that our team is ready and able to deliver. We have already invested much in improving infrastructure and staff. We are confident that for this football season and beyond, our injury reporting will be second to none. We also offer several pricing specials that significantly reduce the monthly price for the service, and you are welcome to contact us for more information (800-DON-BEST).<O:p
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Theft of Line Information<O:p
In recent years, several companies have attempted to copy what we do at DB in an effort to compete. We have no problem with lawful competition or honest efforts to make a living, and have generally wished others success in their endeavors. However, we recently discovered the misappropriation of DB's proprietary data by certain industry competitors. Those competitors logged onto our servers posing as legitimate customers, and pulled lines from various sportsbooks to republish them on their competing services, reselling them as their own. We have strong proof of improper actions, and we are pursuing all available legal remedies against the offending parties.
<O:p
In was not our intention to make these allegations public in this forum, however, we have seen discussion on the issue and we felt it necessary to put the record straight. Any legal filings will be public documents, and we encourage any of you with questions or concerns to review such documents as they become available in the near future.

Exclusive Rights
It should be known that DB has exclusive agreements with BetCRIS, Grande, 5 Dimes, Catalina (and shortly other major sportsbooks). These agreements provide DB the exclusive rights to display such odds in real-time. No other competitor, regardless of any representation to the contrary, has the legal right to do so, whether they misappropriate lines from DB or from the sportsbook's web site against the express wishes of the sportsbook (also known as ?Scraping?). Some of our competitors have resorted to this unauthorized method of taking line data, and steps are being taken to stop that as well.

Some of you may wonder why this information shouldn?t be public and free to all. It is not dissimilar to real-time stock market information or rebroadcasting of live news information. It is not public domain information until a certain amount of time has passed (these vary based on which line feed and what their originators make available to the public). The fact is that a real time network system costs money and time to build and operate, and the company that invests to do it has every right to protect what it has built.

We hope that this post helps the visitors to this forum understand these issues a little better. Thank you.
 

ArchieBunker

EOG Dedicated
Re: Don Best Sports

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New Ownership<O:p
First, many of you may not know that Don Best is under new ownership and management. In April 2008, Corcom, Inc. d/b/a Don Best Sports(DB)was purchased by Big Stick Media Corp, an Ontario based Corporation that trades publicly on the Toronto Stock Exchange. We are not owned by any sportsbook, directly or through stockholders.
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BS.
 

ArchieBunker

EOG Dedicated
Re: Don Best Sports

Not owned by a sportsbook. There's more than one way to cover up ownership. All I've heard and seen is that CRIS controls DB.
 

ArchieBunker

EOG Dedicated
Re: Don Best Sports

The customers. Why would Cris give a shit about who carried their numbers unless they had a financial interest in the shop that they allowed to have access to their feed?
 

MadCapper

Head <in> Moderation
Re: Don Best Sports

Does CRIS really control DB???

Any way to prove this?

Dozer??? John??? AK???
 
Re: Don Best Sports

People will pay for access to just those few books? Seems like a waste of money.

I really think there is more to this and I am in WAY over my hear here. :doh1
 

ArchieBunker

EOG Dedicated
Re: Don Best Sports

Any way to prove it? I doubt it. Except for the common sense rule of why would they give a shit if they didn't have a financial interest in DB?
 

D-Ro

EOG Enthusiast
Re: Don Best Sports

Do they not realize it's common knowledge that Cris/Grande own DB?....DB are you saying that Linetracker had no affiliation with Cris either??
 
Re: Don Best Sports

Generally, Don Best Sports is not active in making posts on the various forums for a variety of good reasons, with all due respect to the forum readers. We are making an exception in this case because we’ve seen some discussion on some important issues, and we’d like to set the record straight and provide our perspective.
<O:p
New Ownership<O:p
First, many of you may not know that Don Best is under new ownership and management. In April 2008, Corcom, Inc. d/b/a Don Best Sports(DB)was purchased by Big Stick Media Corp, an Ontario based Corporation that trades publicly on the Toronto Stock Exchange. We are not owned by any sportsbook, directly or through stockholders. At this time, Big Stick Media has over 450 shareholders. The only shareholder larger than 10% (and under 20%) is SkillJam Corporation, a company that is ultimately owned by Liberty Media
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DB has a long and respected history in this industry, having invented the computerized line service and provided first class service for many years. We understand that after 2005 when the original owners of Don Best sold the company, there had been complaints that the quality of service suffered. It does seem that last year, prior to our purchase of DB, injury reporting was not as good as in years past. We are here to tell you that we are intent on restoring the high level of customer service that Don Best has always been known for, and there is no question that our team is ready and able to deliver. We have already invested much in improving infrastructure and staff. We are confident that for this football season and beyond, our injury reporting will be second to none. We also offer several pricing specials that significantly reduce the monthly price for the service, and you are welcome to contact us for more information (800-DON-BEST).<O:p
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Theft of Line Information<O:p
In recent years, several companies have attempted to copy what we do at DB in an effort to compete. We have no problem with lawful competition or honest efforts to make a living, and have generally wished others success in their endeavors. However, we recently discovered the misappropriation of DB's proprietary data by certain industry competitors. Those competitors logged onto our servers posing as legitimate customers, and pulled lines from various sportsbooks to republish them on their competing services, reselling them as their own. We have strong proof of improper actions, and we are pursuing all available legal remedies against the offending parties.
<O:p
In was not our intention to make these allegations public in this forum, however, we have seen discussion on the issue and we felt it necessary to put the record straight. Any legal filings will be public documents, and we encourage any of you with questions or concerns to review such documents as they become available in the near future.

Exclusive Rights
It should be known that DB has exclusive agreements with BetCRIS, Grande, 5 Dimes, Catalina (and shortly other major sportsbooks). These agreements provide DB the exclusive rights to display such odds in real-time. No other competitor, regardless of any representation to the contrary, has the legal right to do so, whether they misappropriate lines from DB or from the sportsbook's web site against the express wishes of the sportsbook (also known as “Scraping”). Some of our competitors have resorted to this unauthorized method of taking line data, and steps are being taken to stop that as well.

Some of you may wonder why this information shouldn’t be public and free to all. It is not dissimilar to real-time stock market information or rebroadcasting of live news information. It is not public domain information until a certain amount of time has passed (these vary based on which line feed and what their originators make available to the public). The fact is that a real time network system costs money and time to build and operate, and the company that invests to do it has every right to protect what it has built.

We hope that this post helps the visitors to this forum understand these issues a little better. Thank you.

Don Best,

EOG is grateful that you came into our forum this late at night to help straighten the record out...12io4j2w90

Thank you,

Ken
 
Re: Don Best Sports

Don Best- Good post. Now throw us a free week or two so we can check it out. I actually had DB long ago but not now.
 

SportsOptions

EOG Member
Re: Don Best Sports

Thank you for making an exception. The forums have been an invaluable vehicle for us to get feedback, both good and bad, from existing and potential customers, so maybe you will see the same benefit.

With 450 shareholders, would I be correct in assuming that you do not personally interact with each individual shareholder? To that end, it would seem that if a person or persons claim to be major shareholders, people should have no reason not to believe them. Also, is it possible for you to explain to the posters the details of the potential situation in which Don Best/Corcom could be taken private again?

As for the rest of your post, in what way is your stance good for customers? In just one year of SportsOptions being in business, your company is revamping your injury reporting and are offering special pricing to reduce the monthly cost of your service. Would DBS be making any changes if SportsOptions, G&J Update and SportsInsights were not in the market. This is a shining example of what a free market brings to the consumer. In the absence of a free market we would still be paying $10,000 for plasma TVs, $1,000 for cell phones and $600 for a line-service.

I understand that you have a responsibility to give each of your 450 shareholders the absolute highest return on their investments. We have taken on a different responsibility – to deliver the fastest and most accurate information at the best price.

Regardless of what DBS and its shareholders choose to do, we will continue to fight for a free market in the line-service industry giving the consumer the opportunity to pick the service that best fits their needs, whether it be Don Best, G&J Updates, SportsInsights or SportsOptions.
 

Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Don Best Sports

This is a great point Sports Options makes...and something the potential customers should think long and hard about.

Many posters who were/are customers of DB have stated the DB was slipping to the point of embarrassing over the past couple years....without the other services where would the quality rate now? Probably progressively worse.
 
Re: Don Best Sports

It's about time that Don Best chimed in :houra

They are exactly correct concerning the following.

What they are speaking of is not the moral issue of scraping lines from the web sites of sportsbooks.

What DB is addressing is the criminally prosecutable act of Piracy and/or Hacking into the actual Don Best software.

And they shall succeed. 12io4j2w90


Theft of Line Information<o></o>
In recent years, several companies have attempted to copy what we do at DB in an effort to compete. We have no problem with lawful competition or honest efforts to make a living, and have generally wished others success in their endeavors. However, we recently discovered the misappropriation of DB's proprietary data by certain industry competitors. Those competitors logged onto our servers posing as legitimate customers, and pulled lines from various sportsbooks to republish them on their competing services, reselling them as their own. We have strong proof of improper actions, and we are pursuing all available legal remedies against the offending parties.
<o></o>
In was not our intention to make these allegations public in this forum, however, we have seen discussion on the issue and we felt it necessary to put the record straight. Any legal filings will be public documents, and we encourage any of you with questions or concerns to review such documents as they become available in the near future.
 

High Times

EOG Master
Re: Don Best Sports

A lot of these sports books make their line public on their websites. Information that has been made public can not be control after the fact. Anybody can get Pinnicles updated lines by using their sports book.

Don Best has no way of proving that another line service is copying them unless the other line service is actually stealing feeds from Don Best. This problem Don Best is facing is that they and only they want to be able to control what time the line moves are made public when it's just about impossible to do it legally.

Don Best has no legal authority to be in control of public information. That is the problem Don Best faces and Don Best wants the betting public to think that they in fact have this self given right to hold back public information. Don Best gave this right to themselves.

The only way Don Best could do this is if the sports books that they use are all private business's. Then the information could remain private. As it is now don't let them fool you. Betting lines from sports books are public information.

Don Best is losing their monopoly and must improve their service to keep customers or they must scare other lines services into thinking they can't compete with them and have no right to keep up to date info on line moves like them.

No one can claim the "sole" right to keep public information private. Newspapers and T.V. stations are perfect example of this public information right.
 

FatBrain

EOG Enthusiast
Re: Don Best Sports

I dont think DB is saying other competitors cant scrap the freely available line information ... I think he's saying that someone hacked into either their network ... or cracked the software and was using that information ... which would be illegal
 

High Times

EOG Master
Re: Don Best Sports

I dont think DB is saying other competitors cant scrap the freely available line information ... I think he's saying that someone hacked into either their network ... or cracked the software and was using that information ... which would be illegal

And that would be stealing. I don't think that's the real problem.

They want no competition at all like they have had for over 15 years.
 
Re: Don Best Sports

And that would be stealing. I don't think that's the real problem.

HighTimes,
Your post #19 was right on point.

But FatBrain is also correct in defining the real issue.
The issue of stealing.

He wrote:
I dont think DB is saying other competitors cant scrap the freely available line information ... I think he's saying that someone hacked into either their network ... or cracked the software and was using that information ... which would be illegal.

My take: No one here likes a player that stiffs or a book that scams. Both are considered low life thieves. So what do you call a lines service that steals?
 

SportsInsights

EOG Member
Re: Don Best Sports

"Would love to see the four Line Service owners play it out here and the odds of that? - Journeyman"

Journeyman,

You may get your wish! Sorry for the late reply. Hopefully there are EOG members that are still interested in commenting on this. It’s a topic the affects everyone in the sports betting industry.

Linesmover,
It would appear "Linesmover" is on the Don Best payroll. (I don’t know this for a fact. I’m joking) I can't believe you're sticking up for Don Best. I can certainly respect your decision to not carry CRIS's odds, but supporting them is crazy. It's doesn't make any sense. If they are able to bully everyone, and squash out innovation, your product will be useless. You’ll be out of business.

High Times,
You made some excellent points. I can't speak for Sports Options or GJ but we haven't hacked the DB program or database in order to gather CRIS's lines. That indeed would be stealing. There is really no need to implement such drastic measures. It’s my feeling that when CRIS posts a line to their website or even Don Best’s live odds product it’s in the Public Domain. Let’s face it, within seconds of a CRIS move pretty much anyone that uses DB (which is almost every sportsbook) adjust their line accordingly.

This whole debate about what’s public domain and what’s not has already been hashed out in other industries. For example, MLB suing fantasy sites for using player names + stats, MLB lost. There was also another recent case in which NYMEX was suing ICE (both commodity exchanges) for using their oil derivative prices, NYMEX lost. Facts and prices don’t fall under copywrite law. The real issue is when exactly does something become public domain?...my feel is pretty much the second you post it on your website or broadcast it to the world through a line services.

Don Best is in a tough position. They’re really getting hammered from all sides. They haven’t improved their service in over 15+ years. They’ve experienced a lot of management changes in the last couple of years. Now factor in that the entire betting industry is in a downturn/recession, and new line services with innovative features and in many cases better information are popping up. This is all causing downward pressure on pricing.

I hope I’ve added something useful to this discuss. I’m going to do a better job looking out for posts on this topic.

Shrink,
It’s pretty amazing getting the owners of 4 of the 5 major lines services to comment on your posting forum. Good job!

Here’s to another profitable College Football season!

Dan
 
Re: Don Best Sports

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Linesmover,
It would appear "Linesmover" is on the Don Best payroll. (I don?t know this for a fact. I?m joking)

That would Mr. LinesMover to you Sir.
:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO




BTW: We still use SportsInsights all day every day Dan. Great product. 12io4j2w90
 

High Times

EOG Master
Re: Don Best Sports

I personally think that everyone should boycott Don Best and use other line services this football season. Books and bettors have been held hostage for over 15 years now only because Don Best had the first computerized line service.

The only reason Don Best was able to monopolize the line service industry was because of their connections to the major sports books and again their program was very good. The Don Best line service was also important for sports books because being on Don Best was also good advertising as far as getting the big money bettors.

This is no longer needed.

The service in todays world is so overpriced it's insane. This is the problem Don Best faces today. The information a line service gives is becoming more and more easier to get and because some other line services can offer the same lines for a lot less money Don Best is crying foul. They want their complete monopoly back.

The people who own Don Best today have made a horrible investment and they will live with this decision and will die because of it. Don Best will never last charging what they charge giving out information that is almost free any way. They buyers of Don Best obviously didn't understand that the line service business is no longer a huge money maker because they simply can not hold the entire sports betting industry hostage for much longer.

Don Best will have to completely change the way they do business and downsize. They need to cut out the dead weight (way too many owners) and start charging less or they will fold. They have no options except to try to keep this monopoly going and it can't.

Sorry Don Bests new owners. You will lose this battle. You have no legal stand to force sports books to choose only your service to be on and if I owned any one of these new services I would use CRIS, GRANDE, and any other sports book that would make my line service usable and would welcome any one of them to take me to court.

Bettors and bookmakers need to wake up and smell the coffee. You have been held hostage for way too long by a line service that only exists because of strong armed tactics.
 

feelingbettor

EOG Member
Re: Don Best Sports

I personally think that everyone should boycott Don Best and use other line services this football season. Books and bettors have been held hostage for over 15 years now only because Don Best had the first computerized line service.

The only reason Don Best was able to monopolize the line service industry was because of their connections to the major sports books and again their program was very good. The Don Best line service was also important for sports books because being on Don Best was also good advertising as far as getting the big money bettors.

This is no longer needed.

The service in todays world is so overpriced it's insane. This is the problem Don Best faces today. The information a line service gives is becoming more and more easier to get and because some other line services can offer the same lines for a lot less money Don Best is crying foul. They want their complete monopoly back.

The people who own Don Best today have made a horrible investment and they will live with this decision and will die because of it. Don Best will never last charging what they charge giving out information that is almost free any way. They buyers of Don Best obviously didn't understand that the line service business is no longer a huge money maker because they simply can not hold the entire sports betting industry hostage for much longer.

Don Best will have to completely change the way they do business and downsize. They need to cut out the dead weight (way too many owners) and start charging less or they will fold. They have no options except to try to keep this monopoly going and it can't.

Sorry Don Bests new owners. You will lose this battle. You have no legal stand to force sports books to choose only your service to be on and if I owned any one of these new services I would use CRIS, GRANDE, and any other sports book that would make my line service usable and would welcome any one of them to take me to court.

Bettors and bookmakers need to wake up and smell the coffee. You have been held hostage for way too long by a line service that only exists because of strong armed tactics.

High Times makes a good point, but I think it is superficial. The best part about the new competition is that the price is going down... but is it?

I am sorry to say that this is not true at all. Let's forget about GJ and Sports Insights (SI) and Linesmover (LM), cause they are not really in the business of servicing the sportsbook or pro-gambler like Don Best and Sports Options (is trying to be). If you are CRIS, Grande, or the rest of the big boys, you now need both screens... not just one. Imagine SO reports an important injury that DBS misses or vice-versa... do you want to be responsible for not having shelled out the extra money, no matter if it is $200, $300, $400, $500 or $600 per month and taking bets against yourself as a result? This means you are spending more (DBS + SO)... same is true for pro-bettors that use the service.

Also, everyone is forgetting that Don Best does more than provide line services. They produce all the rotation ids... for everyone (vegas, macau, anywhere that takes US sports action). Even GJ,SO,SI and LM use the rotations that DBS produces.

I LONG for the old days, when DBS had the monopoly. Everyone had the same info, and you knew where to turn to place your bets. They produced a decent product (which had problems, but who doesn't) and things were fair.

I do not think people should encourage huge competition in this part of this industry because it does not lend well to industry in general, or any people who need line services (for a living). It is too small a market to have 5 line services, and have a company do the thigns DBS did. I wish there were one again.... I only wish it was $200/month. :cheers I said it before in a prior post and I will say it again... If DBS wants the monopoly again, and can afford it, they should lower their price to $100 per month for the next 12 months. Not sure how many MBAs they have there, but it certainly does not take one to figure it out...
 

SportsInsights

EOG Member
Re: Don Best Sports

High Times,
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You are correct. There is no reason other than greed Don Best should be charging $600/month for live lines. Their price should be somewhere between $100-$200 per month.
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FeelingBettor,

You make some good points. But going back to the good old days wasn't one of them. You’re basically arguing that you’d like to go back to the days when AT&T was the only phone service in town because it was simpler. Who cares that you’d pay like $5/min to call someone in the state next to you. There was only one phonebook and it was simpler.
<o:p> </o:p>
I’m a firm believer in competition. It breeds innovation and the winner is the consumer. They get a better product at a competitive price. Here is what competition has done to Don Best, for the first time in 15+yrs they are offering a discount rate for their Premium odds service.

We don’t cater to sportsbooks. We never have and never will. Don Best has a lock on that business. We’ve probably affected Don Best’s bottom line by less than 1%. If they were smart, they’d focus their efforts on growing that business instead of trying to protect their monopoly. We believe we’ve created a whole new genre in the sports information that caters to the individual sports bettors.
<o:p> </o:p>
Dan
 
Re: Don Best Sports

High Times,
<o>:p> </o>:p>
You are correct. There is no reason other than greed Don Best should be charging $600/month for live lines. Their price should be somewhere between $100-$200 per month.
<o>:p> </o>:p>
FeelingBettor,

You make some good points. But going back to the good old days wasn't one of them. You?re basically arguing that you?d like to go back to the days when AT&T was the only phone service in town because it was simpler. Who cares that you?d pay like $5/min to call someone in the state next to you. There was only one phonebook and it was simpler.
<o>:p> </o>:p>
I?m a firm believer in competition. It breeds innovation and the winner is the consumer. They get a better product at a competitive price. Here is what competition has done to Don Best, for the first time in 15+yrs they are offering a discount rate for their Premium odds service.

We don?t cater to sportsbooks. We never have and never will. Don Best has a lock on that business. We?ve probably affected Don Best?s bottom line by less than 1%. If they were smart, they?d focus their efforts on growing that business instead of trying to protect their monopoly. We believe we?ve created a whole new genre in the sports information that caters to the individual sports bettors.
<o>:p> </o>:p>
Dan

Mr. Dan,

Please refrain from using Word Perfect to draft your posts for spell checking, grammar etc.

You will only end up with a bunch of <o>:p> </o>:p><o>:p> </o>:p><o>:p> </o>:p><o>:p> </o>:p><o>:p> </o>:p><o>:p> </o>:p><o>:p> </o>:p><o>:p> </o>:p><o>:p> </o>:p><o>:p> </o>:p>

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 

playersadvocate

EOG Senior Member
Re: Don Best Sports

It's a joke. It's like when CRIS wanted everyone to use 20 cent baseball lines and call there "BIG MEETING". They think they can monopolize the entire industry. It's come down to one word "EGO". If they charged less no one would complain(although there are ways to get the price down). Competition is good. When DB(CRIS/GRANDE and i heard OLY also) understand this they will be a better company.

One thing I can say about CRIS and GRANDE is that they are true bookmakers. No fake shit going on the screen from them. You can't say that about a few others trying to manipulate the cattle.

DB should just stop with the bull. They can't win a court battle. Any judge with laugh at the case.

A solution is all books should charge for there LIVE feed and who ever wants to pay for it can put it on there service.
 

Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Don Best Sports

DB may not be able to win a court battle but they do have a strong influence on the very books that are all over the other services...how much influence? Time will tell.
 

SportsInsights

EOG Member
Re: Don Best Sports

playersadvocate,
I like your idea about each book selling their feed for a reasonable price. This lets the sportsbook do what they do best and that's taking bets. Sportsbooks should be focused on taking bets and pleasing their customers, not running a line services. I'd venture to bet CRIS would be making a lot more money right now selling their feed to multiple line services then trying to prop up a failing company.
 

ArchieBunker

EOG Dedicated
Re: Don Best Sports

There's no way this thing goes to court. That would involve testifying under oath about ownership and offshore gambling and there's no way in hell that's going to happen. None. 12io4j2w90
 

VegasMike01

EOG Addicted
Re: Don Best Sports

There's no way this thing goes to court. That would involve testifying under oath about ownership and offshore gambling and there's no way in hell that's going to happen. None. 12io4j2w90

I guess that depends on who the plantiff is... Nobody needs anymore attention on this industry, but it is not fair to strong-arm and bully competitors either. Maybe its time the lid got blown off this thing. The king of the jungle woke a pack of hyenas, and the list of names that are going to get dragged into this wont be pretty.
 

VegasMike01

EOG Addicted
Re: Don Best Sports

holy shit.. i was just busting balls, i thought you had a typo. But you really do have a 13 day trial... where the hell did you get that number? Just wondering...
 
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