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COLLEGE HOOPS: TOLEDO VS. ODU BABY...
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ODU -40 ???
after all - right after UNC, Memphis and UCLA the next team most people mention as National Title contenders is ODU
i even hear that midway thru the season look for all teams to quit playing because they know it is futile to play because ODU will win it all and embarrass them in the process
ODU is so great this season Shrink could play for them and they would STILL win it all. ODU is so great SCARLETT could play for them this season and still win it all
ODU -40 ???
after all - right after UNC, Memphis and UCLA the next team most people mention as National Title contenders is ODU
i even hear that midway thru the season look for all teams to quit playing because they know it is futile to play because ODU will win it all and embarrass them in the process
ODU is so great this season Shrink could play for them and they would STILL win it all. ODU is so great SCARLETT could play for them this season and still win it all
Re: COLLEGE HOOPS: TOLEDO VS. ODU BABY...
How's this for a tough NOVEMBER schedule baby? :houra
11/16 Toledo
11/18 at Clemson
11/20 Iona
11/23 at #1 UNC
11/24 at BYU/Louisville Winner
11/28 #5 Georgetown
Thank gawd for GTOWN baby!!!
How's this for a tough NOVEMBER schedule baby? :houra
11/16 Toledo
11/18 at Clemson
11/20 Iona
11/23 at #1 UNC
11/24 at BYU/Louisville Winner
11/28 #5 Georgetown
Thank gawd for GTOWN baby!!!
Howard Cosell
Banned
Almost Allright
GO Bucks!!!
Re: COLLEGE HOOPS: TOLEDO VS. ODU BABY...
for sure if they don't beat Toledo and I am not so sure they will.
for sure if they don't beat Toledo and I am not so sure they will.
Re: COLLEGE HOOPS: TOLEDO VS. ODU BABY...
AA,
ODU beat them at Toledo last year when Toledo was MUCH BETTER...
AA,
ODU beat them at Toledo last year when Toledo was MUCH BETTER...
Howard Cosell
Banned
Re: COLLEGE HOOPS: TOLEDO VS. ODU BABY...
3 potential final four teams in their first 6 games.
3 potential final four teams in their first 6 games.
Re: COLLEGE HOOPS: TOLEDO VS. ODU BABY...
Is that counting ODU as well? :LMAO
P.S.
ODU is already 1-0 so it would be in their first 7 games technically speaking...
Is that counting ODU as well? :LMAO
P.S.
ODU is already 1-0 so it would be in their first 7 games technically speaking...
Howard Cosell
Banned
Re: COLLEGE HOOPS: TOLEDO VS. ODU BABY...
Yes , NIT FINAL FOUR :cocktail
Yes , NIT FINAL FOUR :cocktail
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SCREW YOU...
ODU has been to MARCH MADNESS 2 out of past 3 years and the one year they didn't make the Big Dance, they were in the NIT FINAL 4 baby!!!
arty
SCREW YOU...
ODU has been to MARCH MADNESS 2 out of past 3 years and the one year they didn't make the Big Dance, they were in the NIT FINAL 4 baby!!!
arty
Howard Cosell
Banned
Re: COLLEGE HOOPS: TOLEDO VS. ODU BABY...
Yeah they had Michigan State on the ropes as I recall....what ever happened to their big man, where is he now? I believe they covered by a point or a half point on that friday night.
Yeah they had Michigan State on the ropes as I recall....what ever happened to their big man, where is he now? I believe they covered by a point or a half point on that friday night.
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Alex Loughton is who you are referring to and last I heard, he is playing in Australia....:houra
Alex Loughton is who you are referring to and last I heard, he is playing in Australia....:houra
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Others receiving votes: Clemson 51; Davidson 41; Butler 40; Xavier 38; Wisconsin 36; Connecticut 26; Florida 26; Mississippi State 23; Southern California 17; Ohio State 15; Alabama 14; Brigham Young 14; Washington 14; Illinois 11; Utah 6; Virginia Commonwealth 6;
OLD DOMINION 4;
Saint Joseph's 4; George Mason 3; Notre Dame 3; Oklahoma 3; Vanderbilt 3; California 2; Virginia 2; Kentucky 1; Maryland 1; Mercer 1; San Diego State 1.
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</TD></TR><TR><TD class=vaText width=79>Rank
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192>School (first-place votes)
</TD><TD class=vaText width=109>Record
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</TD><TD class=vaText width=192>North Carolina (14)
</TD><TD class=vaText width=109>0-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>747
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>1
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>2.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192>UCLA (10)
</TD><TD class=vaText width=109>1-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>744
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>2
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>3.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192>Memphis (6)
</TD><TD class=vaText width=109>2-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>715
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>3
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>4.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192>Kansas (1)
</TD><TD class=vaText width=109>2-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>680
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>4
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>5.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>1-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>636
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>5
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>6.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>0-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>610
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>6
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>7.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>1-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>606
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>7
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>8.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>0-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>504
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>9
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>9.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>1-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>502
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>11
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>10.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192>Duke
</TD><TD class=vaText width=109>1-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>428
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>17
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>11.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>1-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>404
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>12
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>12.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>0-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>400
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>8
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>13.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>2-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>398
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>13
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>14.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>1-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>320
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>14 (tie)
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>15.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>1-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>289
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>14 (tie)
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>16.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>0-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>269
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>16
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>17.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>0-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>266
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>17
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>18.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192 height=12></TD><TD class=vaText width=109 height=12>1-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77 height=12>205
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129 height=12>19
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>19.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>3-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>201
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>20
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>20.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>3-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>191
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>21
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>21.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>0-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>155
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>23
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>22.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>0-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>127
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>24
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>23.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>1-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>114
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>25
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>24.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>2-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>89
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>NR
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>25.
</TD><TD class=vaText width=192></TD><TD class=vaText width=109>0-0
</TD><TD class=vaText width=77>69
</TD><TD class=vaText width=129>NR
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=5>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Dropped out: No. 18 Southern California (0-1); No. 22 Kentucky (1-1).Others receiving votes: Clemson 51; Davidson 41; Butler 40; Xavier 38; Wisconsin 36; Connecticut 26; Florida 26; Mississippi State 23; Southern California 17; Ohio State 15; Alabama 14; Brigham Young 14; Washington 14; Illinois 11; Utah 6; Virginia Commonwealth 6;
OLD DOMINION 4;
Saint Joseph's 4; George Mason 3; Notre Dame 3; Oklahoma 3; Vanderbilt 3; California 2; Virginia 2; Kentucky 1; Maryland 1; Mercer 1; San Diego State 1.
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Re: COLLEGE HOOPS: TOLEDO VS. ODU BABY...
Here's a tad more about Toledo...
Toledo is down to six scholarship players and no true point guard (3 starters lost to graduation and Kashif Payne, the MAC Defensive Player of the Year left the team at the beginning of the month for personal reasons).
Here's a tad more about Toledo...
Toledo is down to six scholarship players and no true point guard (3 starters lost to graduation and Kashif Payne, the MAC Defensive Player of the Year left the team at the beginning of the month for personal reasons).
mofome
Banned
Re: COLLEGE HOOPS: TOLEDO VS. ODU BABY...
heres a tad more about you
Here's a tad more about Toledo...
Toledo is down to six scholarship players and no true point guard (3 starters lost to graduation and Kashif Payne, the MAC Defensive Player of the Year left the team at the beginning of the month for personal reasons).
heres a tad more about you
Almost Allright
GO Bucks!!!
Re: COLLEGE HOOPS: TOLEDO VS. ODU BABY...
and was not ODU much better as well? ODU lost their 3 top scores and correct me if i am wrong but are they not unproven at both guards as well? Johnson, and Lionde will no doubt be decent but is all going to flow game two.
No doubt Toledo is not as good as last year. They came out awful against Vandy down 18-0 and eneded losing to Vandy by 7.
so are you saying ODU is as good as last year? if you are then 6 points or less would not be much to lay.
and was not ODU much better as well? ODU lost their 3 top scores and correct me if i am wrong but are they not unproven at both guards as well? Johnson, and Lionde will no doubt be decent but is all going to flow game two.
No doubt Toledo is not as good as last year. They came out awful against Vandy down 18-0 and eneded losing to Vandy by 7.
so are you saying ODU is as good as last year? if you are then 6 points or less would not be much to lay.
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TSN predicting a 5th place finish this year in the CAA for ODU Shrink losing your top 3 scores will hurt but best of luck this season!
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By Mike Castiglione, Associate College Basketball Editor
Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network) - OUTLOOK: In the past two years, four CAA teams have combined to assemble a 5-4 mark in the NCAA Tournament, most notably George Mason's trip to the Final Four in 2005-06. Of the non-major conferences, only the Missouri Valley has sent more teams to the Big Dance in that time frame. That of course leaves the question -- who, if anybody, is this year's George Mason out of the CAA? One of the candidates is none other than the Patriots of George Mason, who return their two top players in Will Thomas and Folarin Campbell. Another is Virginia Commonwealth, a well-coached team coming off a 28-win season and a solid showing in the tourney (the Rams beat Duke, then lost to Pittsburgh in overtime). At Drexel, the Dragons will go as far as big man Frank Elegar takes them. Hofstra no longer has that nasty backcourt trio. It is now Antoine Agudio's team, though he has a decent cast around him. Old Dominion lost its top three scorers from last season's 24-win team, but the Monarchs have built a solid program in recent years and should still contend. At UNC-Wilmington, the key is the return of T.J. Carter, though the Seahawks have a solid forward tandem to help alleviate some pressure. Northeastern lost a few key players from last year's middle-of-the-road squad, and while the Huskies are young, they are led by CAA Rookie of the Year Matt Janning, who steps into a bigger role. Questions abound among the remaining teams in the conference. James Madison is coming off a seven-win season and needs some young players to grow up in a hurry. William & Mary has a promising young cast, but must replace last year's leading scorer. Georgia State lost its top scorer, and the Panthers are probably a year away from competing. Towson lost the league's top scorer, meaning the Tigers should take a step back. And at Delaware, the Blue Hens won't start the season with much proven talent, which is certainly not good news coming off a dismal five-win campaign.
PREDICTED CONFERENCE CHAMPION: George Mason
PREDICTED ORDER OF FINISH: 1. George Mason, 2. Virginia Commonwealth, 3. Drexel, 4. Hofstra, 5. Old Dominion, 6. UNC-Wilmington, 7. Northeastern, 8. James Madison, 9. William & Mary, 10. Georgia State, 11. Towson, 12. Delaware
TEAM-BY-TEAM ANALYSIS:
GEORGE MASON: After a slow start, the Patriots really turned things up a notch during their stretch run last season, reaching the CAA Tournament championship game as the sixth seed. With 1,000-point scorers Thomas (13.3 ppg, 6.9 rpg) and Campbell (13.9 ppg, 3.8 apg) back in the fold, George Mason is a popular pick to hoist the league trophy this season. In fact, all five starters return from last year's squad that ripped through the conference tourney all the way to the title tilt. Thomas was a member of the CAA All-Defensive team and a Second Team All-CAA pick. Point guard Jordan Carter and forward Darryl Monroe are back for their senior seasons, while junior guard Dre Smith returns after leading the team with 17.3 ppg in the postseason. And with experienced bench players such as John Vaughan and Louis Birdsong, the Patriots have enough depth to overcome an injury or two. Of course, the glue that holds this unit together is Jim Larranga, the winningest coach in CAA history.
VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH: The Rams also got off to a slow start but then rallied for a school-record 28 wins and put together a remarkable postseason, which of course was highlighted by a NCAA Tournament first-round win over Duke. George Mason was ousted in the second round after taking Pittsburgh to overtime, but the Rams figure to come back hungry in 2007-08. Like George Mason, the Rams are also a well-coached bunch, led by reigning CAA Coach of the Year Anthony Grant. The top returning player, and arguably the conference's top returning player, is junior guard Eric Maynor, who averaged 13.9 ppg and set a school record for assists in a season (6.4 apg). A complete player, Maynor is also known for his defensive abilities. He will be complemented by senior forwards Wil Fameni (8.9 ppg, 5.4 rpg) and Michael Anderson (6.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg), as well as shooting guard Jamal Shuler (8.6 ppg) and sophomore T.J. Gwynn (2006-07 CAA All-Rookie selection) on the wing. The biggest hurdle facing the Rams is replacing the 28 ppg lost from the departures of B.A. Walker and Jesse Pellot-Rosa.
DREXEL: The Dragons have a few key losses to deal with, no doubt. But when you've got 6-9, 220-pound senior forward Frank Elegar, you've got a chance to make some noise in the CAA. Coach Bruiser Flint will look to get his big man involved as much as possible, because Elegar is a force to be reckoned with in the frontcourt. Coming off a season in which he averaged 16 points and 6.8 rebounds per game, Elegar was named a preseason All-Conference First-Team selection. Elegar will need to be on his game to help alleviate the losses of Chaz Crawford and Bashir Mason, two players known for their defensive work ethic who helped Drexel along to a 23-8 record last year. Out on the perimeter, junior guard Scott Rodgers (8.0 ppg) will be asked to shoulder more of a scoring load. He was second on the club in minutes and assists last year, but will need to bring more to the scoring column. Fellow junior guard Tramayne Hawthorne was primarily a sixth man last season, though he shot .412 percent from beyond the arc and finished 11th in the league in steals per game.
HOFSTRA: Hofstra finished in the top-75 in final NCAA RPI, though the Pride will have a noticeably different look than last year's 22-win club. Gone from the picture are guards Loren Stokes and Carlos Rivera. Still representing the pride, however, is senior Antoine Agudio, whose 1,664 career points rank third among returning players in all of Division I. A First Team All-CAA selection last year, Agudio should draw plenty of attention after finishing third in the conference in scoring, with 20.2 ppg. He set a school record with 100 three- pointers and could set the league mark, as well as finish as Hofstra's all-time leading scorer. Having won at least 21 games in each of the past three seasons, Hofstra is a team that has come to expect to win, and the Pride figure to do plenty of that in 2007-08.
OLD DOMINION: The Monarchs went on to win their final 10 conference games last season, but expectations are tempered a bit for 2007-08 with the departure of their three top scorers, who combined to average 36 ppg. But a school-record 75 wins in a three-year span, including two NCAA Tournament appearances, has given ODU some recruiting prowess, which should once again pay off this season for coach Blaine Taylor. The catalyst is CAA All-Defensive Team selection Brandon Johnson, who averaged 2.1 steals and 8.3 points per bout last season. He, along with fellow senior guard Brian Henderson (9.4 ppg), will be asked to step up his game this season at the offensive end. Senior Abdi Lidonde (4.6 ppg) also figures to get extensive playing time in the backcourt, while underclassmen Gerald Lee (4.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg) and Jonathan Adams (3.0 ppg, 3.4 rpg) are primed to take over down low. ODU is a team that does not lack confidence, having beaten Georgetown rather handily last November.
UNC-WILMINGTON: Perhaps the most welcomed returnee for the Seahawks is a player who did not step on the floor at all last season. Guard T.J. Carter, who averaged 13.6 ppg in 05-06, is the league's seventh returning scorer. A Third Team All-CAA selection two years ago and the MVP of the 2006 CAA Tournament (17.3 ppg, 7.3 rpg), Carter missed last season with hernia problems. Center Vladimir Kuljanin (13.6 ppg, 7.1 rpg) is back after leading the team in scoring and rebounding a year ago. He was fourth in Division I in field goal percentage (.662), and spent the summer representing Canada in the Pan American Games. Those two figure to give the Seahawks a formidable one-two punch. Todd Hendley, a 6-9 senior forward who averaged 11.1 points and 4.1 rebounds per tilt in '06-'07, also figures into the mix and should aid UNCW in returning to respectability. The Seahawks, who have collected four CAA titles in an eight- year span, are hungry after coming off last year's seven-win season.
NORTHEASTERN: The Huskies must replace the backcourt tandem of Adrian Martinez and Bobby Kelly, as well as Bennet Davis. But the key returnee is sophomore guard Matt Janning, who was named the 2006-07 CAA Rookie of the Year after scoring 11.6 ppg, tops among league freshmen. Janning can dish it out, and he can spot up and shoot the three. The Huskies must get off to a better start than last year's dreadful 3-12 mark, and the addition of transfers Chris Alvarez and Nkem Ojougboh should help right away. Alvarez is a former starter at Dayton, while Ojougboh averaged nearly seven ppg at Texas-San Antonio, and both are ready to go after sitting out last season. Under first-year coach Bill Coen, Northeastern won six of its final eight games last year, and the Huskies are looking to carry that momentum into this season.
JAMES MADISON: Although JMU sputtered to a 7-23 season in 2006-07, the Dukes figure to be solid with the return of four double-digit scorers, led by forward Juwann James (13 ppg). Pierre Curtis is back to run the point after averaging 11.4 ppg a year ago, while Terrance Carter (12.8 ppg) and Joe Posey (10.1 ppg) also lend solid experience. But the biggest new arrival is the addition of junior guard Abdulai Jalloh, a Second Team All-Atlantic 10 Conference selection from Saint Joseph's in '05-'06 who is ready to step in after sitting out last season. Jalloh (15 ppg), along with Texas Tech transfer Dazzmond Thornton, could help JMU to its first winning season since 1999-00.
WILLIAM & MARY: The Tribe took a step forward last year with 15 wins and eight conference victories, which marked their highest such totals since the 1997-98 season. And with four starters returning from that team, William & Mary figures to be right in the thick of the CAA standings this year. While leading scorer Adam Payton has moved on, the Tribe returns Nathan Mann (9.1 ppg), who has 142 career three-pointers under his belt. Mann will be asked to take on more of an all-around role in the offense, as will the team's leading returning scorer, forward Laimis Kisielius (11.3 ppg). Those two should form a solid inside-out combo. Other key contributors include guard David Schneider, who made the CAA All-Rookie Team last year, and junior forward Alex Smith, who played for Panama in the Pan American Games this summer.
GEORGIA STATE: The Panthers are set to begin their first season under new coach Rod Barnes, who was the Naismith Coach of the Year in 2001 while at Ole Miss. However, with top scorer Lance Perique having moved on, and several key transfers not eligible to join the team until next season, the Panthers figure to struggle this year. Shooting guard Leonard Mendez (13.8 ppg) is among the top returning scorers in the CAA, and he will be asked to carry the load while Georgia State adjusts to its new personnel. Mendez led the league in three- point percentage (.475), and scored in double figures in 19 of the team's final 21 games. The only other key contributor returning is junior forward Rashad Chase (8.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg), a Georgia high school sensation who has been solid, but not spectacular in his first two seasons at Georgia State.
TOWSON: The Tigers must replace the league's leading scorer from a year ago in Gary Neal, who helped the program along to its highest win total in 11 years. The top returning player is guard C.C. Williams. Williams runs the offense well, having averaged 4.1 assists last year, including a school-record 14 helpers against Georgia State last February. Down low, senior forward Tommy Breaux returns after averaging 2.1 blocked shots per game, which ranks tops among all returning players in the conference. A wideout on the Towson football team, Breaux will be asked to improve upon last season's numbers (5.9 points and 4.5 rebounds per game). Rodney Spruill, a 6-4 sophomore forward, also needs to step up his game as he enters his second season at Towson.
DELAWARE: Delaware boasts the league's second returning scorer in Herb Courtney (18.1 ppg, 8.0 rpg). A Second Team All-CAA selection, the senior forward led the conference with 10 double-doubles. Coming off last year's 5-26 campaign, however, the Blue Hens are going to need to bring a lot more than just Courtney to the hardwood. They will get some help from transfers Marc Egerson and Jim Ledsome, though neither will be available until the middle of December. Egerson is a junior guard who comes over from Georgetown after averaging 7.5 points and 4.0 rebounds per game with the Hoyas. Ledsome, a junior forward, played at Nebraska a year ago. Until those two are eligible to play, it will be on the shoulders of Courtney and sophomore point guard and CAA All-Rookie selection Brian Johnson (9.6 ppg, 4.2 apg), to carry much of the load.
TSN predicting a 5th place finish this year in the CAA for ODU Shrink losing your top 3 scores will hurt but best of luck this season!
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College Basketball Preview - Colonial Athletic Association
The Sports Network
By Mike Castiglione, Associate College Basketball Editor
Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network) - OUTLOOK: In the past two years, four CAA teams have combined to assemble a 5-4 mark in the NCAA Tournament, most notably George Mason's trip to the Final Four in 2005-06. Of the non-major conferences, only the Missouri Valley has sent more teams to the Big Dance in that time frame. That of course leaves the question -- who, if anybody, is this year's George Mason out of the CAA? One of the candidates is none other than the Patriots of George Mason, who return their two top players in Will Thomas and Folarin Campbell. Another is Virginia Commonwealth, a well-coached team coming off a 28-win season and a solid showing in the tourney (the Rams beat Duke, then lost to Pittsburgh in overtime). At Drexel, the Dragons will go as far as big man Frank Elegar takes them. Hofstra no longer has that nasty backcourt trio. It is now Antoine Agudio's team, though he has a decent cast around him. Old Dominion lost its top three scorers from last season's 24-win team, but the Monarchs have built a solid program in recent years and should still contend. At UNC-Wilmington, the key is the return of T.J. Carter, though the Seahawks have a solid forward tandem to help alleviate some pressure. Northeastern lost a few key players from last year's middle-of-the-road squad, and while the Huskies are young, they are led by CAA Rookie of the Year Matt Janning, who steps into a bigger role. Questions abound among the remaining teams in the conference. James Madison is coming off a seven-win season and needs some young players to grow up in a hurry. William & Mary has a promising young cast, but must replace last year's leading scorer. Georgia State lost its top scorer, and the Panthers are probably a year away from competing. Towson lost the league's top scorer, meaning the Tigers should take a step back. And at Delaware, the Blue Hens won't start the season with much proven talent, which is certainly not good news coming off a dismal five-win campaign.
PREDICTED CONFERENCE CHAMPION: George Mason
PREDICTED ORDER OF FINISH: 1. George Mason, 2. Virginia Commonwealth, 3. Drexel, 4. Hofstra, 5. Old Dominion, 6. UNC-Wilmington, 7. Northeastern, 8. James Madison, 9. William & Mary, 10. Georgia State, 11. Towson, 12. Delaware
TEAM-BY-TEAM ANALYSIS:
GEORGE MASON: After a slow start, the Patriots really turned things up a notch during their stretch run last season, reaching the CAA Tournament championship game as the sixth seed. With 1,000-point scorers Thomas (13.3 ppg, 6.9 rpg) and Campbell (13.9 ppg, 3.8 apg) back in the fold, George Mason is a popular pick to hoist the league trophy this season. In fact, all five starters return from last year's squad that ripped through the conference tourney all the way to the title tilt. Thomas was a member of the CAA All-Defensive team and a Second Team All-CAA pick. Point guard Jordan Carter and forward Darryl Monroe are back for their senior seasons, while junior guard Dre Smith returns after leading the team with 17.3 ppg in the postseason. And with experienced bench players such as John Vaughan and Louis Birdsong, the Patriots have enough depth to overcome an injury or two. Of course, the glue that holds this unit together is Jim Larranga, the winningest coach in CAA history.
VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH: The Rams also got off to a slow start but then rallied for a school-record 28 wins and put together a remarkable postseason, which of course was highlighted by a NCAA Tournament first-round win over Duke. George Mason was ousted in the second round after taking Pittsburgh to overtime, but the Rams figure to come back hungry in 2007-08. Like George Mason, the Rams are also a well-coached bunch, led by reigning CAA Coach of the Year Anthony Grant. The top returning player, and arguably the conference's top returning player, is junior guard Eric Maynor, who averaged 13.9 ppg and set a school record for assists in a season (6.4 apg). A complete player, Maynor is also known for his defensive abilities. He will be complemented by senior forwards Wil Fameni (8.9 ppg, 5.4 rpg) and Michael Anderson (6.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg), as well as shooting guard Jamal Shuler (8.6 ppg) and sophomore T.J. Gwynn (2006-07 CAA All-Rookie selection) on the wing. The biggest hurdle facing the Rams is replacing the 28 ppg lost from the departures of B.A. Walker and Jesse Pellot-Rosa.
DREXEL: The Dragons have a few key losses to deal with, no doubt. But when you've got 6-9, 220-pound senior forward Frank Elegar, you've got a chance to make some noise in the CAA. Coach Bruiser Flint will look to get his big man involved as much as possible, because Elegar is a force to be reckoned with in the frontcourt. Coming off a season in which he averaged 16 points and 6.8 rebounds per game, Elegar was named a preseason All-Conference First-Team selection. Elegar will need to be on his game to help alleviate the losses of Chaz Crawford and Bashir Mason, two players known for their defensive work ethic who helped Drexel along to a 23-8 record last year. Out on the perimeter, junior guard Scott Rodgers (8.0 ppg) will be asked to shoulder more of a scoring load. He was second on the club in minutes and assists last year, but will need to bring more to the scoring column. Fellow junior guard Tramayne Hawthorne was primarily a sixth man last season, though he shot .412 percent from beyond the arc and finished 11th in the league in steals per game.
HOFSTRA: Hofstra finished in the top-75 in final NCAA RPI, though the Pride will have a noticeably different look than last year's 22-win club. Gone from the picture are guards Loren Stokes and Carlos Rivera. Still representing the pride, however, is senior Antoine Agudio, whose 1,664 career points rank third among returning players in all of Division I. A First Team All-CAA selection last year, Agudio should draw plenty of attention after finishing third in the conference in scoring, with 20.2 ppg. He set a school record with 100 three- pointers and could set the league mark, as well as finish as Hofstra's all-time leading scorer. Having won at least 21 games in each of the past three seasons, Hofstra is a team that has come to expect to win, and the Pride figure to do plenty of that in 2007-08.
OLD DOMINION: The Monarchs went on to win their final 10 conference games last season, but expectations are tempered a bit for 2007-08 with the departure of their three top scorers, who combined to average 36 ppg. But a school-record 75 wins in a three-year span, including two NCAA Tournament appearances, has given ODU some recruiting prowess, which should once again pay off this season for coach Blaine Taylor. The catalyst is CAA All-Defensive Team selection Brandon Johnson, who averaged 2.1 steals and 8.3 points per bout last season. He, along with fellow senior guard Brian Henderson (9.4 ppg), will be asked to step up his game this season at the offensive end. Senior Abdi Lidonde (4.6 ppg) also figures to get extensive playing time in the backcourt, while underclassmen Gerald Lee (4.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg) and Jonathan Adams (3.0 ppg, 3.4 rpg) are primed to take over down low. ODU is a team that does not lack confidence, having beaten Georgetown rather handily last November.
UNC-WILMINGTON: Perhaps the most welcomed returnee for the Seahawks is a player who did not step on the floor at all last season. Guard T.J. Carter, who averaged 13.6 ppg in 05-06, is the league's seventh returning scorer. A Third Team All-CAA selection two years ago and the MVP of the 2006 CAA Tournament (17.3 ppg, 7.3 rpg), Carter missed last season with hernia problems. Center Vladimir Kuljanin (13.6 ppg, 7.1 rpg) is back after leading the team in scoring and rebounding a year ago. He was fourth in Division I in field goal percentage (.662), and spent the summer representing Canada in the Pan American Games. Those two figure to give the Seahawks a formidable one-two punch. Todd Hendley, a 6-9 senior forward who averaged 11.1 points and 4.1 rebounds per tilt in '06-'07, also figures into the mix and should aid UNCW in returning to respectability. The Seahawks, who have collected four CAA titles in an eight- year span, are hungry after coming off last year's seven-win season.
NORTHEASTERN: The Huskies must replace the backcourt tandem of Adrian Martinez and Bobby Kelly, as well as Bennet Davis. But the key returnee is sophomore guard Matt Janning, who was named the 2006-07 CAA Rookie of the Year after scoring 11.6 ppg, tops among league freshmen. Janning can dish it out, and he can spot up and shoot the three. The Huskies must get off to a better start than last year's dreadful 3-12 mark, and the addition of transfers Chris Alvarez and Nkem Ojougboh should help right away. Alvarez is a former starter at Dayton, while Ojougboh averaged nearly seven ppg at Texas-San Antonio, and both are ready to go after sitting out last season. Under first-year coach Bill Coen, Northeastern won six of its final eight games last year, and the Huskies are looking to carry that momentum into this season.
JAMES MADISON: Although JMU sputtered to a 7-23 season in 2006-07, the Dukes figure to be solid with the return of four double-digit scorers, led by forward Juwann James (13 ppg). Pierre Curtis is back to run the point after averaging 11.4 ppg a year ago, while Terrance Carter (12.8 ppg) and Joe Posey (10.1 ppg) also lend solid experience. But the biggest new arrival is the addition of junior guard Abdulai Jalloh, a Second Team All-Atlantic 10 Conference selection from Saint Joseph's in '05-'06 who is ready to step in after sitting out last season. Jalloh (15 ppg), along with Texas Tech transfer Dazzmond Thornton, could help JMU to its first winning season since 1999-00.
WILLIAM & MARY: The Tribe took a step forward last year with 15 wins and eight conference victories, which marked their highest such totals since the 1997-98 season. And with four starters returning from that team, William & Mary figures to be right in the thick of the CAA standings this year. While leading scorer Adam Payton has moved on, the Tribe returns Nathan Mann (9.1 ppg), who has 142 career three-pointers under his belt. Mann will be asked to take on more of an all-around role in the offense, as will the team's leading returning scorer, forward Laimis Kisielius (11.3 ppg). Those two should form a solid inside-out combo. Other key contributors include guard David Schneider, who made the CAA All-Rookie Team last year, and junior forward Alex Smith, who played for Panama in the Pan American Games this summer.
GEORGIA STATE: The Panthers are set to begin their first season under new coach Rod Barnes, who was the Naismith Coach of the Year in 2001 while at Ole Miss. However, with top scorer Lance Perique having moved on, and several key transfers not eligible to join the team until next season, the Panthers figure to struggle this year. Shooting guard Leonard Mendez (13.8 ppg) is among the top returning scorers in the CAA, and he will be asked to carry the load while Georgia State adjusts to its new personnel. Mendez led the league in three- point percentage (.475), and scored in double figures in 19 of the team's final 21 games. The only other key contributor returning is junior forward Rashad Chase (8.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg), a Georgia high school sensation who has been solid, but not spectacular in his first two seasons at Georgia State.
TOWSON: The Tigers must replace the league's leading scorer from a year ago in Gary Neal, who helped the program along to its highest win total in 11 years. The top returning player is guard C.C. Williams. Williams runs the offense well, having averaged 4.1 assists last year, including a school-record 14 helpers against Georgia State last February. Down low, senior forward Tommy Breaux returns after averaging 2.1 blocked shots per game, which ranks tops among all returning players in the conference. A wideout on the Towson football team, Breaux will be asked to improve upon last season's numbers (5.9 points and 4.5 rebounds per game). Rodney Spruill, a 6-4 sophomore forward, also needs to step up his game as he enters his second season at Towson.
DELAWARE: Delaware boasts the league's second returning scorer in Herb Courtney (18.1 ppg, 8.0 rpg). A Second Team All-CAA selection, the senior forward led the conference with 10 double-doubles. Coming off last year's 5-26 campaign, however, the Blue Hens are going to need to bring a lot more than just Courtney to the hardwood. They will get some help from transfers Marc Egerson and Jim Ledsome, though neither will be available until the middle of December. Egerson is a junior guard who comes over from Georgetown after averaging 7.5 points and 4.0 rebounds per game with the Hoyas. Ledsome, a junior forward, played at Nebraska a year ago. Until those two are eligible to play, it will be on the shoulders of Courtney and sophomore point guard and CAA All-Rookie selection Brian Johnson (9.6 ppg, 4.2 apg), to carry much of the load.
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yeah, didnt know toledo only had 3 players. i dont follow it.
At least mofome was close...
yeah, didnt know toledo only had 3 players. i dont follow it.
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GO Bucks!!!
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Rockets play next 6 games on road
Old Dominion will be the first tonight
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The University of Toledo's Tyrone Kent makes sure on this layup. He leads the Rockets in scoring with a 20.5 ppg average.
( THE BLADE/AMY E. VOIGT )
By MAUREEN FULTON
BLADE SPORTS WRITER
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After showing some promise in its first two games at home, the University of Toledo men's basketball team hopes it is ready for the next three weeks.
<CENTER></CENTER>The Rockets (1-1) have six consecutive games on the road in six different states. Tonight's game against Old Dominion kicks it off.
<CENTER></CENTER>For a team with just one senior, staying on the road so long is a daunting challenge, one that coach Stan Joplin felt the need to apologize for.
<CENTER></CENTER>"I really put the players in a terrible position," Joplin said. "It's really not fair that they're in this position. We're suffering because of the success the program has had. Nobody wants to play us, so we have to go on the road.
<CENTER></CENTER>"I'm hoping now that we can balance our schedule out and can have more home games [in the future], and we won't have to do this anymore. When you go on the road for this long [of a] period of time, it's going be very, very tough."
<CENTER></CENTER>The Monarchs (1-0) will be the third straight team UT plays that made the postseason last year. ODU went to the NCAA Tournament and lost in the first round.
<CENTER></CENTER>The game is a return for the BracketBusters contest from last year, when the Monarchs beat the Rockets 73-70 at Savage Hall.
<CENTER></CENTER>Through two games, UT has shown that it can still play pressure defense with success and use it to find ways to score. With so little experience returning from last year, though, confidence could be an issue.
<CENTER></CENTER>A lack of confidence might have been the reason for the slow start against Vanderbilt on Tuesday that caused the Rockets to fall behind 18-0. But after watching the film senior forward Jerrah Young said UT "came out too relaxed.
<CENTER></CENTER>"We weren't mentally focused for the game," Young said. "We've got to play harder from the beginning. We learned the hard way."
<CENTER></CENTER>ODU returns one starter from last year, senior Brian Henderson, although he did not play in the season opener Sunday after experiencing a fainting spell last week. The Monarchs defeated South Carolina State 64-54, led by Abdi Lidonde's 20 points. ODU was 15-2 at home last year.
<CENTER></CENTER>"They almost call a set play every time down the floor," Joplin said. "They have so many set plays we can't cover all of them, so we're going to have to stick to our principles."
Rockets play next 6 games on road
Old Dominion will be the first tonight
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Zoom | Photo Reprints</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>By MAUREEN FULTON
BLADE SPORTS WRITER
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After showing some promise in its first two games at home, the University of Toledo men's basketball team hopes it is ready for the next three weeks.
<CENTER></CENTER>The Rockets (1-1) have six consecutive games on the road in six different states. Tonight's game against Old Dominion kicks it off.
<CENTER></CENTER>For a team with just one senior, staying on the road so long is a daunting challenge, one that coach Stan Joplin felt the need to apologize for.
<CENTER></CENTER>"I really put the players in a terrible position," Joplin said. "It's really not fair that they're in this position. We're suffering because of the success the program has had. Nobody wants to play us, so we have to go on the road.
<CENTER></CENTER>"I'm hoping now that we can balance our schedule out and can have more home games [in the future], and we won't have to do this anymore. When you go on the road for this long [of a] period of time, it's going be very, very tough."
<CENTER></CENTER>The Monarchs (1-0) will be the third straight team UT plays that made the postseason last year. ODU went to the NCAA Tournament and lost in the first round.
<CENTER></CENTER>The game is a return for the BracketBusters contest from last year, when the Monarchs beat the Rockets 73-70 at Savage Hall.
<CENTER></CENTER>Through two games, UT has shown that it can still play pressure defense with success and use it to find ways to score. With so little experience returning from last year, though, confidence could be an issue.
<CENTER></CENTER>A lack of confidence might have been the reason for the slow start against Vanderbilt on Tuesday that caused the Rockets to fall behind 18-0. But after watching the film senior forward Jerrah Young said UT "came out too relaxed.
<CENTER></CENTER>"We weren't mentally focused for the game," Young said. "We've got to play harder from the beginning. We learned the hard way."
<CENTER></CENTER>ODU returns one starter from last year, senior Brian Henderson, although he did not play in the season opener Sunday after experiencing a fainting spell last week. The Monarchs defeated South Carolina State 64-54, led by Abdi Lidonde's 20 points. ODU was 15-2 at home last year.
<CENTER></CENTER>"They almost call a set play every time down the floor," Joplin said. "They have so many set plays we can't cover all of them, so we're going to have to stick to our principles."
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I'LL BE AT ALL THE HOME GAMES WIN OR LOSE!!! MAY'N!!!:cheers
I'LL BE AT ALL THE HOME GAMES WIN OR LOSE!!! MAY'N!!!:cheers
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GO Bucks!!!
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From the photos last year it looks like a sweet place to watch a college basketball game.
From the photos last year it looks like a sweet place to watch a college basketball game.
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ODU BABY!!
THANKS SHRINK!!arty
ODU BABY!!
THANKS SHRINK!!
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ODU LOOKED GOOD!! WHIPPED THE PISS OUTTA THE ROCKETS!!!
ODU LOOKED GOOD!! WHIPPED THE PISS OUTTA THE ROCKETS!!!
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ODU played well enough DEFENSIVELY that they could have beaten a TOP 10 team tonight, period...:houra
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AA,
First, you have me grief when I predicted ODU would cover the point spread against Toledo...
With all due respect, not only did ODU cover, but they held a Division 1 team that isn't horrible to the lowest number of points in the history of their school!!!
Toledo could only manage scoring 35 points not for a half but for the entire game!!!
Also, ODU held Toledo to 21% shooting throughout the whole game...
Those numbers don't lie tonight...
I was there...
ODU'S DEFENSE was amazing...
I stand by that statement...
THE SHRINK
AA,
First, you have me grief when I predicted ODU would cover the point spread against Toledo...
With all due respect, not only did ODU cover, but they held a Division 1 team that isn't horrible to the lowest number of points in the history of their school!!!
Toledo could only manage scoring 35 points not for a half but for the entire game!!!
Also, ODU held Toledo to 21% shooting throughout the whole game...
Those numbers don't lie tonight...
I was there...
ODU'S DEFENSE was amazing...
I stand by that statement...
THE SHRINK
Almost Allright
GO Bucks!!!
Re: COLLEGE HOOPS: TOLEDO VS. ODU BABY...
how is asking you a QUESTION about ODU giving you grief. maybe i was asking to learn something. Sorry you took a question about ODU's returning guards as a threat to your knowledge. And I asked it BEFORE you posted it as a play. sorry yet again, I thought we were having a conversation. And to top it off, the only comment I made in your thread where you posted the play was to have a great time. I stand by my statement, take a breath.
AA,
First, you have me grief when I predicted ODU would cover the point spread against Toledo...
With all due respect, not only did ODU cover, but they held a Division 1 team that isn't horrible to the lowest number of points in the history of their school!!!
Toledo could only manage scoring 35 points not for a half but for the entire game!!!
Also, ODU held Toledo to 21% shooting throughout the entire game...
Those numbers don't lie tonight...
I was there...
ODU'S DEFENSE was amazing...
I stand by that statement...
THE SHRINK
how is asking you a QUESTION about ODU giving you grief. maybe i was asking to learn something. Sorry you took a question about ODU's returning guards as a threat to your knowledge. And I asked it BEFORE you posted it as a play. sorry yet again, I thought we were having a conversation. And to top it off, the only comment I made in your thread where you posted the play was to have a great time. I stand by my statement, take a breath.
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AA,
It's all good. :cheers
I apologize for getting so defensive about my beloved Monarchs...
We have no other teams regionally that interest me, so this is the time of year I go nutz....
Ken
AA,
It's all good. :cheers
I apologize for getting so defensive about my beloved Monarchs...
We have no other teams regionally that interest me, so this is the time of year I go nutz....
Ken