Don't use bookies and Don't fly in and out of Vegas

[gridironguy]

Betting with bookies is illegal and flying in and out of Vegas, no matter where you are flying from, gets very expensive and cuts into your bottom-line too much. Trust me on this -- I did it some years ago.

Bet your games online and then pay your taxes on your winnings. You'll be happy you did.

ADDING: Vegas sportsbooks are afraid of action since they got buried in the 2005 football season. Most of them are owned by MGM-Mirage Properties or Harrah's, and if you bet anywhere near a dime at one property, they won't allow you to bet at the other properties. They will ask you if you're staying at the hotel, do you have a player's club card, etc. They make it difficult for sharps to get any real $$$ down.

And bookies won't pay you when you keep winning.

 

[frankjohnson]

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Betting with bookies is illegal and flying in and out of Vegas, no matter where you are flying from, gets very expensive and cuts into your bottom-line too much. Trust me on this -- I did it some years ago.

Bet your games online and then pay your taxes on your winnings. You'll be happy you did.

ADDING: Vegas sportsbooks are afraid of action since they got buried in the 2005 football season. Most of them are owned by MGM-Mirage Properties or Harrah's, and if you bet anywhere near a dime at one property, they won't allow you to bet at the other properties. They will ask you if you're staying at the hotel, do you have a player's club card, etc. They make it difficult for sharps to get any real $$$ down.

And bookies won't pay you when you keep winning.

Much of this is right out of fantasy land. I've bet thousands at a time in my time at vegas sports books. Never heard of any of em demanding to see a plaeyrs card. My biggest bet of more than 80,000 was taken in increments as they moved the line a half point every 30 grand. But no one refuses the kind of bets 99.99999999999 per cent make. This is pure bullshit.

 

[WildBill]

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They do, but only if they know you as a sharp. Konik's book pretty much tells the story of what goes on for those betting big amounts every week.

 

[gridironguy]

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Much of this is right out of fantasy land. I've bet thousands at a time in my time at vegas sports books. Never heard of any of em demanding to see a plaeyrs card. My biggest bet of more than 80,000 was taken in increments as they moved the line a half point every 30 grand. But no one refuses the kind of bets 99.99999999999 per cent make. This is pure bullshit.

Frank, did you bet there in 2006? I agree that prior to 2006 they used to take most bets, but after getting crushed in 2005 in both NCAA and NFL Football, the books totally changed their ways in 2006. Only about 3% of Vegas books even sell 1/2 pts any more, as opposed to offshores who all sell 1/2 pts.

Also, only 2 or 3 Vegas books hang totals on every NCAA Football game, and they are located in the shady downtown area.

The point is that Vegas is not interested in action any more. Take it from me - as a guy who went to Vegas 13-14 times a year during each football season over the course of 7 yrs, Vegas has become totally cowardly as of the past year.

Maybe as Wild Bill said, they recognized me as a sharp, but I was only looking to get down 2K on college games and about 1.5K on the NFL. They asked me if I was staying at the hotel, they asked me if I had a player's club card, they did whatever they could to stop me from wagering more than a $110 or $220. That's hardly enough to cover my costs of traveling to and from Vegas every week of the season.

I learned the hard way, and am trying to save people money, time, and energy, from dealing with the Vegas hassles. Don't deal with local bookies either, they will stiff you if you win too much..

 

[Mr. Smith]

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konik is a fucking jagoff. that book belongs in fantasy land

 

[WildBill]

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Say what you want about the book but many people have said what Konik says still goes for the most part if you are someone who comes in weekly to bet. The limits are going down somewhat, but if you give some action on the tables the sky is the limit. Some have suggested playing basic strategy for $100 a hand might give you positive EV because it will allow your sports bets to get bigger. Frankly I would just stay offshore, but its an open option. Still such a hassle to come into Vegas during weekends in Fall, better be getting good RFB to make it worth your while and sports betting isn't the way to get RFB these days.

 

[Whoson1st]

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For a guy not staying at their hotel and who does not have a "player card", how much would the average Vegas book let him bet on the World Series games? $2k-no problem?

 

[roseman]

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I have no idea what the point here is...:whatever:

 

[Whoson1st]

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I have no idea what the point here is...:whatever:

MY POINT in asking--is this. Since I have ended ALL on line wagering except for horses (legal); I would like to go to Vegas and bet the World Series games and hope to make enough to pay for my trip IF I win. (Don't want to fool with small bets of 1 to 3 hundred; and can't play at $25. blackjack tables!)

 

[roseman]

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MY POINT in asking--is this. Since I have ended ALL on line wagering except for horses (legal); I would like to go to Vegas and bet the World Series games and hope to make enough to pay for my trip IF I win. (Don't want to fool with small bets of 1 to 3 hundred; and can't play at $25. blackjack tables!)

In my experience, and Ive been to vegas maybe 6 times in my life, the books have no idea if your staying at their hotel and neither do the tables. The only way is if you flash your key card or tell them. You can always stay somewhere else and join their club. Good luck though. I wouldn't worry about your wagers for the series. Go to one of the bigger books.

 

[pvcpipe]

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The books will gladly let you bet 2k on the world series. and konik is kind of a jackoff but the book is still worth reading.

 

[frankjohnson]

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I guarantee if you walk into any of the vegas premier sportsbooks (Ceasar's, Bally's, Mirage, Treasure Island, Billagio, Venitian, any oe 'em on a saturday or sunday afternoon and plunk down five dimes on a football game you'll have no problem getting down. They'll merely punch you out a ticket and wish you good luck. Guaranteed.

 

[BigDaddy]

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I guarantee if you walk into any of the vegas premier sportsbooks (Ceasar's, Bally's, Mirage, Treasure Island, Billagio, Venitian, any oe 'em on a saturday or sunday afternoon and plunk down five dimes on a football game you'll have no problem getting down. They'll merely punch you out a ticket and wish you good luck. Guaranteed.

LOL! i just stayed at that shitty ballys and tried to bet $800 on a MLB game supervisor came over and said all she would do is $500 i dont even live in las vegas i was just on vacation and had to walk ballys sportsbook is a fucking hike so i went to ceasears whichis connected to ballys through the walkways and got the other $300

whats funny is the clerk apologized to me ( I dont know why? ) i was like cant you get a bet down vegas he said they need permission

 

[BigDaddy]

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also had a bet ticket at bills gambling hall next to ballys and went to cash the ticket in about 4am they wouldnt fucking do it had to go back in the morning all the other casinos do it at the cage that i visited why would the casino not want the money in the gamblers hands?

 

[frankjohnson]

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LOL! i just stayed at that shitty ballys and tried to bet $800 on a MLB game supervisor came over and said all she would do is $500 i dont even live in las vegas i was just on vacation and had to walk ballys sportsbook is a fucking hike so i went to ceasears whichis connected to ballys through the walkways and got the other $300

whats funny is the clerk apologized to me ( I dont know why? ) i was like cant you get a bet down vegas he said they need permission

I posted a guarantee about how easy it is to get five dimes (or much more for that matter) on a football game. You come back with some bs about mlb. 500 limits on mlb have been the story for a while at some places but it's got nothing to do with how much you can bet on ncaa fb or the nfl. What is the point of you guys bad mouthing vegas with bs. Guys come here for the facts. Not a load of biased, false, criticism of the sportsbooks which isn't even close to factual.

 

[dirty]

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Frank Knows it all guys... don't waste your breath... Those Rock throwing aliens taught him all he needs to know

 

[frankjohnson]

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Frank Knows it all guys... don't waste your breath... Those Rock throwing aliens taught him all he needs to know

Dude if you'd have done as much acid as i did and read some science fiction back in the sixties you wouldn't be so narrow minded. Do you think bringing up my asteroid scenario makes me wrong on the vegas sportsbook football betting limits. When you finally realize that beer has destroyed your ability to think clearly maybe then we can talk, sucka!

 

[BigDaddy]

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frank just posting my experience with them thats all:cheers

its not bs its the truth and it was at one of the placed you mentioned i could bet 5dimes on a football game with no problems i just found it funny as i couldnt bet 800 on a baseball game

 

[frankjohnson]

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frank just posting my experience with them thats all:cheers

No problema. And i was just posting my experience with dirty who hasn't been right yet!

 

[gridironguy]

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FrankJohnson and any other doubters -- I went to Vegas for 7 straight yrs every Thursday of the football season from Sept to Nov. That's 13-14 trips per yr, for 7 straight yrs.

If you believe you understand the Vegas landscape better than I do, then more power to you. Go ahead and fly in there week after week, and let me know how it works for you. You will see within a week or two that I am correct about the "New" Vegas.

If you're serious about betting big there, you don't want to be there on a Saturday morning betting college football -- the lines are way too long at the any book in town.

If you're serious, then you go on a Wed or a Thur, not even on a Fri. On Wed and Thur it is much slower there and you get all your bets down at various places. Of course, when they see you week after week after week, like they saw me, they see all the winning tickets and perhaps that is why they asked me so many questions.

I never had this problem from 1999-2005, it was only 2006 that everything changed. No more buying 1/2 pts anywhere on the strip, and no more "big bets" at a dime ($1100) or more on the strip unless they had verification that I was staying at the property, or that I had a "player's club" card where they could track my action. I was not allowed to bet more than a nickel ($550) on college totals!!!

No thank you, I don't want so many restrictions just because I win a little more than I lose. A 55% bettor and they're backing me off? That's BS.

I am speaking from experience and speaking in facts. Just trying to help. Take it or leave it..

 

[frankjohnson]

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When i'm in vegas i head downtown for the crack whores.

 

[milwaukeemike]

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gridiron, "a couple of friends" have had the same unfortunate experience as you.
and being the libertarian that i am there should be nothing to do with showing a card so mgm mirage inc. could know exactly how much cash people are carrying around and playing with - NONE OF THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS, JUST TAKE THE BET!!

even corporate vegas of the late 90s/early 2000s understood that their customers had a right to privacy. and that if they were running a sportsbook they were in the business of taking bets, not asking questions and doing background checks.

i can understand having runners to unload 100k in bets on a game, but if the sportsbook is going to post mlb sides limit of 10k then they should take a 10k bet no questions asked.

 

[gridironguy]

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Exactly Mike. TY for vouching that you know people who went through similar experiences.

A few people are accusing me of being full of shit -- yes, in some subjects I can be full of shit, but not on this one. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to the Vegas Sportsbook mindset.

They are afraid of their own shadow..

God forbid a decent bettor come into town and cut into their bottom-line profit..

 

[Whoson1st]

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So $500 is the standard bet allowed for mlb games, until the WS or playoffs? Then what is the standard?

 

[gridironguy]

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So $500 is the standard bet allowed for mlb games, until the WS or playoffs? Then what is the standard?

If you are a tourist/vacationer, and they don't recognize you and thus deem you a square, they will allow you to bet whatever limits they have.

If you are a guy who they deem as a regular, a face they recognize (and they likely have your face photographed in their database), they will try and determine if you are a square (losing bettor) or a sharp (winning bettor).

They will adjust your limits accordingly.

Vegas is all about family and casino entertainment. A family playground. If they had it their way, they would remove the sports books because they view it as too high a risk and it adds very little to their bottom-line.

Don't get me wrong -- I love going to Vegas with my family and friends and playing blackjack, poker, partying at the clubs, etc. But when it comes to trying to get money down as a serious sports investor, Vegas has been in steady decline and they fell off the cliff last year. After the 2005 thrashing the Vegas books took in NFL and college football, they have become cowardly about taking significant sized bets from sharp players..

 

[Whoson1st]

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If you are a tourist/vacationer, and they don't recognize you and thus deem you a square, they will allow you to bet whatever limits they have.

If you are a guy who they deem as a regular, a face they recognize (and they likely have your face photographed in their database), they will try and determine if you are a square (losing bettor) or a sharp (winning bettor).

They will adjust your limits accordingly.

Vegas is all about family and casino entertainment. A family playground. If they had it their way, they would remove the sports books because they view it as too high a risk and it adds very little to their bottom-line.

Don't get me wrong -- I love going to Vegas with my family and friends and playing blackjack, poker, partying at the clubs, etc. But when it comes to trying to get money down as a serious sports investor, Vegas has been in steady decline and they fell off the cliff last year. After the 2005 thrashing the Vegas books took in NFL and college football, they have become cowardly about taking significant sized bets from sharp players..

Thanks-i understand now!

 

[mgmhatesme]

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March Madness they limited me to 2k per game... Ceasars also limited me to 1k a game after I had a strong 2 day winning streak, which was stupid as I went 1-3 on that last day.

NFL and college football usually I get limited to 10k a game, maybe 5k on totals.

put much more during playoffs, including a huge bet in the Super Bowl that lost (mgr tried to talk me into the Colts also)

always need to show players card and have a relationship with the sportsbook manager I have found.

I can really only get my action down at the MGM, everywhere else it is a pain. I cannot stand other sportsbooks to be honest.

Vegas sweats somebody that may win, period. I dont care if you have won only a few thousand in blackjack... if you appear as a counter they will ban you. They dont want your action, period. Same with sportsbooks.

 

[panther]

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why not play smaller amounts at more places

with the rail it not hit to hit 5+books in a couple hrs

 

[panther]

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plus I would not bet over 9900 at one place for any reason on one game

 

[rainbow]

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Betting with bookies is illegal and flying in and out of Vegas, no matter where you are flying from, gets very expensive and cuts into your bottom-line too much. Trust me on this -- I did it some years ago.

Bet your games online and then pay your taxes on your winnings. You'll be happy you did.

ADDING: Vegas sportsbooks are afraid of action since they got buried in the 2005 football season. Most of them are owned by MGM-Mirage Properties or Harrah's, and if you bet anywhere near a dime at one property, they won't allow you to bet at the other properties. They will ask you if you're staying at the hotel, do you have a player's club card, etc. They make it difficult for sharps to get any real $$$ down.

And bookies won't pay you when you keep winning.

IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT BOOKIES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, I KNOW BOOKIES IF YOU BEAT THEM 365 DAYS A YEAR YOU WILL GET PAID EVERY CENT. WHAT BOOKIES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT WON`T PAY IF YOU KEEP WINNING?

 

[Bucky]

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Bally's and Caesar's treat you a little better if you use your player's card. But, you lose your anonymity. Guess, that is what it is all about they want to know who you are before you make your bet. You just don't see them telling black jack players that you can play but only on the 5-50 tables.

I sent a 5k wire to a front money account at Caesar's once to get past the BS of carrying cash or trying to cash a check. I get there and this miserable heifer won't give me my money and asks me where I play? I say the sportsbook and she comes out of the cage and walks me over to the sportsbook. What do you want? I said I don't know - this usually takes a while to look it over. She says that she can't stand there all day and I start getting pissed and say why don't you give me some chips and I'll make the plays and show my players card each time.

Well, that worked - they gave me a couple dimes of my money in chips. I bet them and come back with my players card and then I got more chips and they quit jerking me around.

BTW, don't eat the peanuts in the room above the TV in the room - 10 bucks a can on your bill! haha

 

[gridironguy]

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<hr style="color: rgb(214, 216, 219);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> As I said before, I went to Vegas 13-14 times every fall from 1999-2006. That's 7 yrs on the calendar, 8 football seasons. After the thrashing that Vegas books took in 2005, they changed their tune entirely in 2006.

If you don't believe me, try going into ANY Vegas strip sportsbook and try and get down $1100 on a College Football total. They might take it once or twice -- but the moment they see you cash one of those tickets and you try to bet totals again, they'll ask you if you're staying at their property for the night or two, then they'll ask you if you have a player's club card. If you say no, they'll limit you to about $220 on the totals bet.

 

[Bucky]

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GIGuy - No, I hear ya. Can I ask-Did you stockpile chips? Chips works some much better at the betting window. My dime bet wins - pay me with a dime chips and a black one.

Where there is a will there has to be a way. The catch 22's are enormous everywhere to get after big bucks-100k. So, devils advocate my idea of going to CR for the weekend - do the research - send wires to books that have the ability to send a wire back on Monday. Physically call them from a CR Hotel - make the bets - have wireless access - do it that way - be able to prove where the bets originated from.

Have I violated any laws? In theory I can get 20 k down on games pretty fast but can I collect on Monday by snapping my fingers. Go collect checks from every book on Monday morning. Heck, collect it from an Agent. Are agents legal in CR? Are we talking a legal profession on my tax report?

The Mendoza line of where the expenses are reasonable to receive the reward is a little more difficult. The obvious remains that outs are going to bitch when a player wins. It's the nature of the beast.

 

[Whoson1st]

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<HR style="COLOR: rgb(214,216,219)" SIZE=1> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> As I said before, I went to Vegas 13-14 times every fall from 1999-2006. That's 7 yrs on the calendar, 8 football seasons. After the thrashing that Vegas books took in 2005, they changed their tune entirely in 2006.

If you don't believe me, try going into ANY Vegas strip sportsbook and try and get down $1100 on a College Football total. They might take it once or twice -- but the moment they see you cash one of those tickets and you try to bet totals again, they'll ask you if you're staying at their property for the night or two, then they'll ask you if you have a player's club card. If you say no, they'll limit you to about $220 on the totals bet.

This summary and others comments from this thread do not give me the impression that the Las Vegas books want to have internet sports wagering EVER regulated! Here I am planning for my trip of a lifetime to sin city to make my bet of a lifetime--(for me) on the World Series and to think they might say; some small amount allowed; that would not even cover air fare much less room. This is depressing.

 

[milwaukeemike]

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whoson1st if you're only doing a one-time bet you should be ok especially if you're willing to show identification if asked.
and of course if you want to lay 2k and they only take 500 just walk down/across the street and place it in pieces.
the way mgm mirage and harrahs have linked their lines you should be able to get virtually the same line everywhere.

it still boggles my mind though that companies that take in billions have to screw with players over bets of a couple grand.

 

[msftkid]

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I must live in a different world. I have never stiffed anyone who bet my store or who was a proven winner. I have passed a few customers on to larger stores who were to large for me. In my own expierences I have never been stiffed by any local stores I have used when i have been tailing a individual or playing myself. I sure dont need to go to Vegas for action cause I have always had plenty of outs with local stores . If you are a stand up guy finding outs are no problem. However if you just want to play NCAA totals and nothing else you might have problems butas long as you bet the NFL you will get action.

 

[WildBill]

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This summary and others comments from this thread do not give me the impression that the Las Vegas books want to have internet sports wagering EVER regulated!

What ever made you think this? The casino companies are dying to get internet gambling legal for them to offer BUT not sports. They will gladly sacrifice that lamb when the time comes and say sports betting isn't legal anywhere online because they have little to gain from it. In fact they might even fight to have it blocked when any legislation comes up and make up some asinine reason for it.

Sports betting in Nevada will remain because its the come-on they need to pack the town when big events are going. They have no such incentive for online betting. When it comes to online they want you playing the slots and video poker (with bad payout tables). They might accept you playing poker, but only as long as they can make it easy to play casino games on the side. Imagine a little 3 line slot machine on the bottom portion of your poker table, they would absolutely love that! Sports is the last thing they would ever add, maybe they will relent and take parlay cards online but that is about it.

 

[Whoson1st]

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On line sports parlays from Vegas, while not the best idea--would still be HUGE and that's an understatement!

 

[Bucky]

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Whatever it takes - if players can play - get paid if they win - and everybody lives by the same rules - why not.

 

[gridironguy]

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Much of this is right out of fantasy land. I've bet thousands at a time in my time at vegas sports books. Never heard of any of em demanding to see a plaeyrs card. My biggest bet of more than 80,000 was taken in increments as they moved the line a half point every 30 grand. But no one refuses the kind of bets 99.99999999999 per cent make. This is pure bullshit.

You must be a SQUARE.