Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End?



July 10, 2007

The offshore industry has been operating since the early 90s, yet it seems every week people wonder if these are the last days we will all be able to bet on football outside of Nevada. What needs to be understood though is this industry is always dynamic and changing. Don't mistake change for doom.

My personal experience with the offshore industry began in 1995. Back then I accessed the internet through Prodigy or AOL. The idea of placing a bet online was still a pipe dream which would take years to realize. New betting options emerged as Dial A Bet and Rich's Sportsbook, among others, began offering account betting over the phone.

It seemed like the greatest idea since sliced bread, having phone operations by 800 number, but originating from outside the U.S. The neighborhood bookie gone global, what wasn't there to like? Finally a real Las Vegas-style option was available in an era when the big hitters bet through Nevada phone accounts at the Mirage, Binions, the Stardust, and the Sands.

Fast forward to 2007. Binions seems headed on a death march towards oblivion. The Stardust and Sands were imploded. The Mirage offers lousy "vanilla" numbers mirroring offerings at about a half dozen other casinos. If you told the sharps around the Mirage back then in about a decade's time they would be betting into the same numbers found at the Excalibur at far lower limits they would have crapped their pants.

The situation continually changes when it comes to sports betting. The early 90s were the halcyon years of sports betting in Nevada. No one imagined competition emerging to what Las Vegas offered. The only concern was Congress might impinge on the sovereignty of Nevada and ban sports betting, a concern which thankfully is sidelined for now. Back then people could bet up to house limits without a concern. Now sharps are banned or given $200 betting limits by gaming companies making hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

Large changes hit the offshore world as well. Dial A Bet and Rich's both shut down in less than a couple of years, victims of old fashioned bookmaker greed. In their place thankfully were more customer service oriented operations, ones who embraced the internet and made it easy to get your bets down and to do your banking transactions in an instant.

Sadly that phase has ended with some of the pioneers of online betting like NASA/Betonsports out of business and the beloved Pinnacle Sports unable to serve its previous core American market. Operational methods have been forced to change again. New technologies are emerging rapidly which will change the way we place our bets and how laws against betting are enacted and enforced.

The new state of the art operations are just getting started now and we won't realize they are the future until they ascend to the top. Pinnacle seemed a novelty at first. Lots of people thought no way could a book make it charging half the standard juice and not taking bets by phone. By the time it was accepted as the way of the future Pinnacle had already taken a large share of the market.

We can certainly all speculate on what happens next, but history shows few have made prescient predictions in the past. Some might be able to say what will happen in six months, but predictions for five years out will likely miss the mark.

This might be discomforting to some, but it is a process repeated across countless industries who make a living serving customers online. The industry will see different operators and tougher legal conditions to work under, but in all likelihood sports betting will still be available despite the wishes of those set on putting the industry out of business.


-- WildBill (EOG.com)
 

auditor

EOG Senior Member
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

In Aug 06 FHM:

Robert Walker, Director of race and sports booksfor MGM properties.
"We're about entertainment. Ten years ago, we were a profit center, but now the MGM Mirage makes so much money from hotel rooms, retail restaurants that we're not even a blip on their screen. My goal in this company is to make as much as the New York-New York roller coaster."

There will always be sportsbetting as long as there is a demand.
 
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

As one who also bet the offshores before Internet availabilities existed, I like your optimism. But I'm afraid that the Antigua legal "pygmies" have no clue that they're now playing out of their league. I seriously doubt we'll see the offshores as a serious option for American bettors again in our lifetimes.
 
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

i also seriously doubt we'll see big money internet gambling again.
with the feds threatening everyone with foreign accounts over $10k with prison time, who in their right mind wants to take that risk?

i for one am not making another deposit into an online book.
sad that it has come to that but if the alternative results in risking more than your bankroll then i'll pass.
and of course the feds got their court win where they can spy on internet activity without a warrant. so i wonder who will be watching when people are making large wagers at bodog/dsi/betjam/etc....
 

The General

Another Day, Another Dollar
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

Keep the faith and hope. We don't know what tomorrow holds, but it may be good. It may not. I guess that wondering helps keep us going.

Thanks for the article, Bill.
 

frankjohnson

EOG Dedicated
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

My sportsbook which i have been with for years offshore is operating just fine. I think the guys that remain are solid though they have taken a huge hit with the godamn internet legislation and when the doj cleaned out the brits they also cleaned some of us out. I know there are guys around here that don't see it this way, but this happened under bush and frist so once again we see the republican "freedom loving" hypocrites not beiing able to handle people actually having fun. These guys aren't happy unless everyone is miserable. A wierd mindset and totally screwed for us cause we are the people these perverts govern.
 

jimmycrackcorn

EOG Senior Member
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

All this talk of doom and gloom. Goddamn I'm tired. I worry about this crap 24 hours a day. I feel like I have a dear friend and I am sitting in the room each day watching him deteriorate just waiting to die. Let's get a damn resolution on this thing and end it, or open the f'n doors and stand out of the damn way..either way I almost just dont care anymore..I just want it over! I need closure and an understanding on which way to go..very soon! This is my livelihood and I need to know if I am going to be able to keep it going or not so I can make appropriate arrangements either way.
 

frankjohnson

EOG Dedicated
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

All this talk of doom and gloom. Goddamn I'm tired. I worry about this crap 24 hours a day. I feel like I have a dear friend and I am sitting in the room each day watching him deteriorate just waiting to die. Let's get a damn resolution on this thing and end it, or open the f'n doors and stand out of the damn way..either way I almost just dont care anymore..I just want it over! I need closure and an understanding on which way to go..very soon! This is my livelihood and I need to know if I am going to be able to keep it going or not so I can make appropriate arrangements either way.

Anyway you cut it, we all got it a lot easier than our parents and grandparents. You got to maintain!
 
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

i'm not quite sure either?
frank i agree with blaming the current administration for online gambling's woes.

but to say we have it better than our parents or grandparents is completely untrue. president's approval rating is 27% and congress is 23%. that is not reflective of a happy and prosperous populace.

my dad worked roughly 30-35 hours a week, my mom didn't have to. my grandpa worked about the same, grandma didn't have to.
not too many families these days can say they work anywhere close to a combined 35 hours a week. it's more like 70+ with husband and wife both working full time, and in many cases unpaid overtime.

so working twice as many hours, there's a lot less time for family. and the alternative is not having enough $ to make ends meet.
so of course divorces and general unhappiness are at all time highs.

my son is, and will be, in much worse shape imho than me or my ancestors.
just because the house and car are bigger and better doesn't mean you are better off or happier.
 

frankjohnson

EOG Dedicated
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

My grandparents were immigrants. My dad had to drop out of high school during the depression. They had genuine concerns and fear of imminent financial armeghedon that those of us who sit in front of a computer today know jack shit about.
 
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

yes the depression was tough.
hard to compare our current problems with not having food to eat.

but even then i think people loved each other more.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

my son is, and will be, in much worse shape imho than me or my ancestors.
just because the house and car are bigger and better doesn't mean you are better off or happier.



You answered your own bitching and Pessimism ..... Don't buy a House and car that is bigger and better.... Live within your means like your parents did and then the other spouse will not have to work... Not a hard concept to understand... Not everyone has to Keep up with the 'Jones" of the world..they don't have to have something to show how big their Dick is.....
 
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

dirty i agree "if" one spouse can find a job good enough.

i wasn't being bitchy and pessimistic, your post seems a lot more antagonistic than mine. i was just pointing out some facts - i certainly have it a lot better than most so i wasn't complaining. for christ's sake i'm on here and following my stocks all day!!
:party

i am just pointing out the complaints i usually hear from friends and family. if you're self-employed like me for example there's $10-15k in health insurance/ out-of-pocket medical per year and $3-4k in gas.
that's a heck of a lot more on those items than 10 years ago and most people's wages haven't gone up accordingly.
so i think people are starting to get squeezed more and more and they can't use their house refinancing like an atm (like a couple of years ago) to pay the other bills.

my wife doesn't work but "most" of the families i know don't do it so that they can both drive a bmw and live in a mansion; it's usually out of necessity.

30 years ago you could find a decent blue-collar job and have more than enough money to support a family. now the blue-collar jobs (around milwaukee at least) are hard to come by and might pay $15/hr. i can't imagine supporting a family of 4 on a take home pay of $2k/month these days.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

If you can't afford kids then don't have them...
 
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

If you can't afford kids then don't have them...

Exactly. It drives me nuts when others tell me I should have kids when I am happy without them and have planned a lifestyle without them. People get upset when it is hard to afford kids like the world has some obligation to help them raise how many ever kids they think they are entitled. to.
 

Almost Allright

GO Bucks!!!
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

Best friend of my brother in law is always bitching about being broke. dude has 5 kids by 3 different women, including knocking up his wife and ex wife about the same time. Every time I hear him bitch I state the simple fact that a condom goes for 75 cents.
 
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

its getting tougher and tougher, but its still possible
 
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

and im with dirty. Dont bitch about choices you make, if you dont want to pay for kids, think about that before you get your dick wet
 

msftkid

EOG Addicted
Re: Is Online Sports Betting Reaching an End? -by Wild Bill

The sports gambling business is better than ever. My clientels income keeps on increasing and it is easier to prospect now than ever before subseqently my office income has grown!!! Off shore is not the totality of sports betting!!!! Associates who i deal with also agree that this is a great period to be involved in the sports business.
 
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