Truth About America that people hate to admit..and even harder to swallow

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>The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the president. In essence 2/3s of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.
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>So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, ''What we are so unhappy about?'' Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter? Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job? Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than
Darfur has seen in the last year?
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>Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state? Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter? I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.
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>Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes , an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss.
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>This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers. How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world? Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.
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>Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U. S. , yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have , and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.
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>I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks? The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me?
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>Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad? Think about it...... Are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the "Media" told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day. Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.
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>So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells , and when criticized, try to defend their actions by "justifying" them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O. J. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way...... Insane!
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>Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad. We are among the most blessed people on Earth and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative." "With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, "Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"
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Re: Truth About America that people hate to admit..and even harder to swallow

so in other words shut the fuck up and keep being the sheep

works for me
 
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that's how it's written dude.

it basically says don't question anything......you have it good here.....you can go to grocery store and buy food

wtf...lmfao
 

world traveler

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huh...no i think the point of the post is take stock of what you have and then compare that to the rest of the world and you wil see life aint so bad after all. of course if youve never been anywhere but cancun bahamas or vegas than chances are you have no clue hw the REAL world lives. do yourself a favor grb a backpack 2k of your betting account and take a 1 month backpacking trip to some plce other than a 4 star all inclusive resort, you wil be very surprised at what you experience. if you have traveled round then obviously you didnt pay attension.
if you really think the grass is greener on the other side then jump over the fence my man there are no armed guards preventing your exsit.
 
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huh...no i think the point of the post is take stock of what you have and then compare that to the rest of the world and you wil see life aint so bad after all. of course if youve never been anywhere but cancun bahamas or vegas than chances are you have no clue hw the REAL world lives. do yourself a favor grb a backpack 2k of your betting account and take a 1 month backpacking trip to some plce other than a 4 star all inclusive resort, you wil be very surprised at what you experience. if you have traveled round then obviously you didnt pay attension.
if you really think the grass is greener on the other side then jump over the fence my man there are no armed guards preventing your exsit.

you talking to me dude?

let me ask you this. have you ever been outside of the US ?
 
Re: Truth About America that people hate to admit..and even harder to swallow

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this was written by Jay Leno..not a huge conservative republican now is he...

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Re: Truth About America that people hate to admit..and even harder to swallow

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PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN WHERE ATLEAST I KNOW IM FREE


I LOVE THIS LAND

GOD BLESS THE USA
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KT there you go assuming things again.

you obviously have no idea how I think. you calling me a liberal is funny.

the problem with me is I don't blindly make up my mind about stuff and follow the herd. I like to think for myself and make up my own mind.

I might be 'liberal' on some stuff and 'conservative' on other issues.

and btw it's good that your proud to be an american. one should be proud of it's nationality
 

world traveler

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currently living in costa rica, lived in panama, domincan republic, chile, uk, arizona, florida, new york, and new jersey (witnessed 9-11) those places ive LIVED visited many others...and yes my post was commenting on your post ball rash.
 
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nice WT, then you should know that the 'freedom' and how good life is in the states is not all that is pumped up to be.

I've lived on all continents of the world exept for australia (and yes australia is a continent)

currently living in what some people might call a third world country and still have all the same stuff available to me then one can have in the states.

don't think I can ever live in the states again after being spoiled living abroad
 
Re: Truth About America that people hate to admit..and even harder to swallow

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STAY THE FK OUT THEN....

ENJOY LIVING IN A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY AND YOU ARE DREAMING TO THINK YOU HAVE IT AS GOOD AS IT IS HERE...

GLAD YOUR GONE:finger004 :finger004 :finger004 :finger004
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krusher we as americans can butt into anyone's business in the world (afghanistan, iraq, iran, etc) but someone from a foreign country can't even make a COMMENT about our state of affairs?

yes we have it ok but compare our lives to past generations:

pros:
houses are bigger and better than ever
cars are, for most people, newer and better than parents used to buy
people have more disposable income for vacations, eating out, etc

cons:
- both spouses in most families are now working
- dad is working much more than 40 hours a week in most cases
- medical care is ridiculously expensive for self-employed like me
- family values have deteriorated to the point where 1/2 of all couples get divorced
- family time because of my first 2 points is way down from prior generations

so we have been raising a bunch of spoiled brats (i am unfortunately in this camp) that have cell phones, ipods, internet, etc but have no true bonding with people. we have all this junk that some can't even afford yet we have no family time and love.
and our high tax $ go to the 2 dumbest things to spend money on - war and interest.
 

Trip my ducks

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Hey KTB,

Good post, and you're (or Jay Leno is) right, we do have a standard of living here that is beyond imagination for most of the world. But that precisely is the root of the problem with this country.

American citizens have generally become soft, lazy, irresponsible, apathetic, and most concerning of all, incredibly uninformed about the world and even the country they live in.

Increasingly we view the government as being responsible for our individual welfare. We willingly sacrifice freedoms which men have fought and died for in the interest of security. We support ever increasing tax rates on the wealthy to accomodate the socialist agenda of redistribution of wealth. We prefer to learn of the latest celebrity gossip rather than issues of national and world concern. And most frighteningly we prefer not to think, to reason, to discuss or debate these issues, opting instead to blindly follow our Party line or the social agenda spun by our major media outlets.

Freedom is a right, but is not a gift. It must be earned and people must be willing to die for it if necessary. I fear that we as a people no longer have the strength of character or will necessary to sustain it.

Sadly, I think the American people will be perfectly content to live in a socialist police state so long as they have their HD televisions, 150 channels, food in the fridges, central air, and roofs over their heads.

Freedom in America today is already more illusion than fact; the government regulates nearly everything we may say or do. Eventually, barring a massive wake up call to the American people, we will have no freedoms and people won't give a damn.

After all, it will have been necessary for our national security, for the common good, and of course, for our own good!
 
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So we've sunk so low that we are comparing ourselves to what's happening in outer south bumfuckistan? We are supposed to be the light of the free world; the beacon on the hill; the collection of the best and the brightest. Due to our unique history and circumstances, Americans commonly believe that our country has unlimited potential. Just having more grocery stores per capita than Pakistan will not, and should not, cut it for a patriotic American.
Our citizenry is rightly dissatisfied because the current regime and its lackeys have betrayed the American ideal. This regime has stained America's honor; betrayed our superlative military; endangered American interests around the world; and treated the Constitution like some sort of inconvenient impediment as if it were toilet paper stuck on the bottom of Cheney's shoe.
Damn right we are "dissatisfied" with the course of America!
 
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good catch woomera.
i didn't think a media personality like jay leno would complain so greatly about the "negative media".

why is it that the ones doing the most complaining are usually complaining that they think others are complaining?

i have had it quite good. although there has always been a major, covert, government force in play it is getting much worse.
i fear that my children and grandchildren will have to live with tanks on the street, military law, and none of the personal freedoms that i have had.

already just in the last 10 years they (and i) have been subjected to friskings, metal detectors, fingerprinting, armed guards, etc at places i would've never dreamed of like baseball games, six flags, school, and the mall. but that's all to keep them "safe" lol.
the presence of armed guards at the mall is actually promoting a family atmosphere and keeping peace? it's actually promoting more fear and agression.
 

The Devil

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already just in the last 10 years they (and i) have been subjected to friskings, metal detectors, fingerprinting, armed guards, etc at places i would've never dreamed of like baseball games, six flags, school, and the mall. but that's all to keep them "safe" lol.
the presence of armed guards at the mall is actually promoting a family atmosphere and keeping peace? it's actually promoting more fear and agression.

I GUESS YOU THINK IT'S FUNNY THAT SAFEGUARDS ARE IN PLACE TO KEEP YOU ALIVE? MAYBE YOU WOULD PREFER THAT WE HAVE NO SAFEGUARDS? I WOULD BET MIKE YOU WOULD BE THE FIRST TO CRY, "WHERE THE FUCK WAS THE PROTECTION, HOW COULD THE GOVERNMENT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN" IF YOU OR YOURS WERE KILLED OR INJURED IN A TERRORIST ATTACK.

MAYBE YOU CAN'T WAIT TO GET YOUR 72 VIRGINS.
 
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"protection" what a joke.

even your new york mayor bloomberg admitted you are much more likely to be struck by lightning than attacked by a "terrorist".

when you give up liberty for security you get neither.

have you ever been to places like rome? where guys stand around with machine guns keeping everyone "safe"??
sure doesn't feel safe.
and going to mayfair mall here doesn't feel safe either when there are armed guards present at the doorways checking ids. that seems more like visiting a prison than taking the family to the mall.

but that's all to keep me safe lol. those nasty terrorists are going to blow up all our malls, apartments, stadiums, subways, etc.
well they've had 6 years and i still don't see anything?...

what kind of war has one attack and no follow ups? maybe we're just so terrific at thwarting all their attempts since our defense system is so terrific and our borders are so secure.
:LMAO
 
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terrible thing about your post devil is the "how can the government allow this to happen" line.

WE ARE SUPPOSED TO "BE" THE GOVERNMENT. IT IS OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, AND FOR THE PEOPLE.

i would never in my wildest dreams ask where was the government to protect me. i guess burying two children gives you more of a sense that things can and do go wrong in this world. that doesn't mean we should live in plastic bubbles.

the nine scariest words in the english language are "i'm from the government and i'm here to help".
 

The Devil

EOG Master
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"protection" what a joke.

even your new york mayor bloomberg admitted you are much more likely to be struck by lightning than attacked by a "terrorist".

when you give up liberty for security you get neither.

have you ever been to places like rome? where guys stand around with machine guns keeping everyone "safe"??
sure doesn't feel safe.
and going to mayfair mall here doesn't feel safe either when there are armed guards present at the doorways checking ids. that seems more like visiting a prison than taking the family to the mall.

but that's all to keep me safe lol. those nasty terrorists are going to blow up all our malls, apartments, stadiums, subways, etc.
well they've had 6 years and i still don't see anything?...

what kind of war has one attack and no follow ups? maybe we're just so terrific at thwarting all their attempts since our defense system is so terrific and our borders are so secure.
:LMAO


I HAVE A FEELING YOU GO TO THE MOSQUE EVERYDAY MIKE. WHAT WOULD YOU PREFER MIKE, PICKING UP SOME KID OUT OF A BOMB RUBBLE OR HAVING AN ARMED GUARD AT YOUR MALL.

TELL ME MIKE WHAT WOULD YOU PREFER?

MAYBE YOU NEED TO TALK TO SOME PEOPLE WHO LOST LOVED ONES IN 9-11 TO GET A BETTER PROSPECTIVE OF WHAT IT IS LIKE TO LOSE SOMEONE TO A TERRORIST ATTACK.

OH, AND YES MIKE I HAVE BEEN ALL AROUND THE WORLD, AND BELIEVE ME, THERE ARE NO MILITARY PRESENCE IN THE U.S. COMPARED TO MANY PLACES IN THE WORLD.
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
Re: Truth About America that people hate to admit..and even harder to swallow

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STAY THE FK OUT THEN....

ENJOY LIVING IN A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY AND YOU ARE DREAMING TO THINK YOU HAVE IT AS GOOD AS IT IS HERE...

GLAD YOUR GONE:finger004 :finger004 :finger004 :finger004

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Isn't this like the pot calling the kettle Black?:dancefool :dancefool :dancefool :dancefool
 

The Devil

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terrible thing about your post devil is the "how can the government allow this to happen" line.

WE ARE SUPPOSED TO "BE" THE GOVERNMENT. IT IS OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, AND FOR THE PEOPLE.

i would never in my wildest dreams ask where was the government to protect me. i guess burying two children gives you more of a sense that things can and do go wrong in this world. that doesn't mean we should live in plastic bubbles.

the nine scariest words in the english language are "i'm from the government and i'm here to help".

In announcing the UK's raised threat level, Gordon Brown said, "The first duty of the government is the security and safety of all the British people."
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ZZ CREAM

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OH, AND YES MIKE I HAVE BEEN ALL AROUND THE WORLD, AND BELIEVE ME, THERE ARE NO MILITARY PRESENCE IN THE U.S. COMPARED TO MANY PLACES IN THE WORLD.
Have you visited our nation's capital lately? It looks like an armed camp with bunkers and big cement blockers everywhere.....and heaven forbid you want to stop for a few seconds and take a photo.......I think that's a felony under George Bush.........security? At what costs my friend?
 

dirty

EOG Master
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Armed Guards at the Mall... I can say Never in My life in the State of GA have I every seen a armed guard at any Mall or for that matter anywhere.... At the Military bases yes...but not in public... If it is that way in your state then blame the state not the National Government because that is not the norm that I know of... We have metal detectors at some schools in Bad areas, but 99% do not... We issue school ID's in HS here but that is local government's job to decide....


If Milwaukee and Wisconsin is a Militarily controlled state you need to move... GA damn sure is not like that... Only time I have to show ID is when I buy Claritan D or buy Alcohol....
 

The Devil

EOG Master
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Have you visited our nation's capital lately? It looks like an armed camp with bunkers and big cement blockers everywhere.....and heaven forbid you want to stop for a few seconds and take a photo.......I think that's a felony under George Bush.........security? At what costs my friend?

WHY IS IT ANY DIFFERENT IN CANADA ZZ?? DON'T THEY HAVE CEMENT BLOCKERS AROUND ALMOST ALL FOREIGN EMBASSEYS? I KNOW THEY HAVE CEMENT BLOCKERS AROUND SOME OF THE EMBASSEYS IN A LITTLE ISLAND LIKE CURACAO AND ALSO ON MARGARITA.

YOU GUYS MAKE THE U.S. SOUND LIKE A POLICE STATE, WHEN IN TRUTH NO ONE HAS THE FREEDOMS WE HAVE.

LIKE I SAY TO ANYONE, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE, LEAVE, THERE ARE NO ANCHORS ON YOUR ASS.
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
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WHY IS IT ANY DIFFERENT IN CANADA ZZ?? DON'T THEY HAVE CEMENT BLOCKERS AROUND ALMOST ALL FOREIGN EMBASSEYS? I KNOW THEY HAVE CEMENT BLOCKERS AROUND SOME OF THE EMBASSEYS IN A LITTLE ISLAND LIKE CURACAO AND ALSO ON MARGARITA.

YOU GUYS MAKE THE U.S. SOUND LIKE A POLICE STATE, WHEN IN TRUTH NO ONE HAS THE FREEDOMS WE HAVE.

LIKE I SAY TO ANYONE, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE, LEAVE, THERE ARE NO ANCHORS ON YOUR ASS.
I am not talking about embassies Devil....I am talking about monuments and street corners and parks. Go take a look.....but do not linger......especially you......they will use one of many cameras the Park Police and Capitol Police monitor 24/7......I don't think you would like DC Jail. And no, it is not like that in Canada.
 

The Devil

EOG Master
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I am not talking about embassies Devil....I am talking about monuments and street corners and parks. Go take a look.....but do not linger......especially you......they will use one of many cameras the Park Police and Capitol Police monitor 24/7......I don't think you would like DC Jail. And no, it is not like that in Canada.


DO YOU BLAME THEM ZZ?? OUR MONUMENTS ARE CONSIDERED NATIONAL TREASURES. DON'T YOU THINK THERE ARE BARRACADES AROUND THE EIFFEL TOWER? WHY DO YOU THINK THE FRENCH HAVE THEM THERE?

I HAVE A FEELING SOME FOLKS HERE WILL NOT BE HAPPY UNLESS WE HAVE A REOCCURANCE OF 9-11. AT THAT POINT MAYBE YOU WILL GET OFF YOUR BLEEDING HEART ASSES AND SEE WHAT THE WORLD IS ABOUT. NOT SOME IDEALISTIC PLACE WHERE NOTHING GOES WRONG AND BUSH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE WORLD ILLS.
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
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DO YOU BLAME THEM ZZ?? OUR MONUMENTS ARE CONSIDERED NATIONAL TREASURES. DON'T YOU THINK THERE ARE BARRACADES AROUND THE EIFFEL TOWER? WHY DO YOU THINK THE FRENCH HAVE THEM THERE?

I HAVE A FEELING SOME FOLKS HERE WILL NOT BE HAPPY UNLESS WE HAVE A REOCCURANCE OF 9-11. AT THAT POINT MAYBE YOU WILL GET OFF YOUR BLEEDING HEART ASSES AND SEE WHAT THE WORLD IS ABOUT. NOT SOME IDEALISTIC PLACE WHERE NOTHING GOES WRONG AND BUSH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE WORLD ILLS.
I don't know about France, and you may be correct about our monuments. But, growing up playing in and on our monuments, parks and even the US Capitol. It sure does not feel like the friendly places I knew and loved. And that is truly sad. Me and two friends were once kicked off of the US Capitol in the mid 70's, (drunk as skunks) climbing up the side of the building. When we were leaving, there was a bum who was sleeping in a box on the front steps. We asked the Cops why they didn't kick him out? They replied, "He lives here." That is the Washington I grew up in. Once again, I am not sure which is more important, the feeling of freedom or the feeling of security? I am afraid the two have been on a collision course for a while now.
 

The Devil

EOG Master
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ZZ, IT WON'T GET ANY BETTER FOR A WHILE. NOT BECAUSE OF OUR PRESIDENT, BUT BECAUSE WE ALLOW RELIGIONS TO RUN RAMPANT.
 

dirty

EOG Master
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I don't know about France, and you may be correct about our monuments. But, growing up playing in and on our monuments, parks and even the US Capitol. It sure does not feel like the friendly places I knew and loved. And that is truly sad. Me and two friends were once kicked off of the US Capitol in the mid 70's, (drunk as skunks) climbing up the side of the building. When we were leaving, there was a bum who was sleeping in a box on the front steps. We asked the Cops why they didn't kick him out? They replied, "He lives here." That is the Washington I grew up in. Once again, I am not sure which is more important, the feeling of freedom or the feeling of security? I am afraid the two have been on a collision course for a while now.


That has nothing to do with the President...but everything to do with Society today... We all used to be able to leave our doors unlocked when we left etc... but that is just not the case anywhere any longer....
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
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That has nothing to do with the President...but everything to do with Society today... We all used to be able to leave our doors unlocked when we left etc... but that is just not the case anywhere any longer....
His war has not made us many friends..............anywhere. Which has only exacerbated the situation. Any and all that continued this war after knowing it was all based on lies and deception should not only be kicked out of office, but placed in jail. And George Bush should be the first to wear an orange jumpsuit.
 

Trip my ducks

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Re: Truth About America that people hate to admit..and even harder to swallow

Dirty,

It will never get any better if we are willing to continue sacrificing our liberties for the sake of security. Do you honestly see any end to the war on terror? While I do not dispute that we are now subject to terrorists attacks, the threat of such attacks will be a perpetual justification for the further erosion of our freedoms.

How different it is today from the time of the attack onPearl Harbor. FDR addressed the nation at that time and stated "We have nothing to fear but fear itself". Now, we are encouraged to live in fear and sacrifice hard won freedoms for "our own good" .

Generations have fought and died so that we may live in freedom. Have we become such pussies that we no longer have the courage to do so?

Perhaps we should accord the same level of fear to our own government (Republican or Democrat) as we do any terrorist. Washington seems to be the greater threat to our lives as free men.

Also, I find your scapegoating of religion for all of our world's problems strikingly similar to the Nazis' persecution of the Jews. It is a simplistic and convenient attack which diverts attention from the more serious issues. I am no bible thumping religous activist and certainly recognize the complexities of religion and the moral dilemmas and problems which may result from it.

Do you really believe that the terrorist attacks are religously motivated. As Ron Paul stated, our own CIA intelligence reports indicate they directly result from our Middle East interventionist policies.
 

The Devil

EOG Master
Re: Truth About America that people hate to admit..and even harder to swallow

His war has not made us many friends..............anywhere. Which has only exacerbated the situation. Any and all that continued this war after knowing it was all based on lies and deception should not only be kicked out of office, but placed in jail. And George Bush should be the first to wear an orange jumpsuit.

STOP THE BULL ZZ, WE HAD VERY FEW FRIENDS PRIOR TO THE WAR. WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS THE SAME WAY IT IS WITH PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD. THE HAVE NOTS ALWAYS WANT WHAT THE HAVES HAVE.

WAR IS A WAY OF THE WORLD, HAS BEEN SINCE ITS INCEPTION. YOU CAN TALK PEACE ALL YOU WANT, BUT THIS WORLD WILL NEVER HAVE PEACE AS LONG AS THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE OFF OF IT.

AS FOR YOUR FEELINGS OF BUSH, YOU SHOW THE SIGNS OF A MAN WHO CAN'T HAVE HIS WAY AND THE ONLY THING HE SAYS SOUNDS LIKE A BROKEN RECORD ON A DAILY BASIS. QUIT YOUR JOB, COME TO THE STATES AND CARRY PLACARDS AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE.
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
Re: Truth About America that people hate to admit..and even harder to swallow

STOP THE BULL ZZ, WE HAD VERY FEW FRIENDS PRIOR TO THE WAR. WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS THE SAME WAY IT IS WITH PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD. THE HAVE NOTS ALWAYS WANT WHAT THE HAVES HAVE.

WAR IS A WAY OF THE WORLD, HAS BEEN SINCE ITS INCEPTION. YOU CAN TALK PEACE ALL YOU WANT, BUT THIS WORLD WILL NEVER HAVE PEACE AS LONG AS THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE OFF OF IT.

AS FOR YOUR FEELINGS OF BUSH, YOU SHOW THE SIGNS OF A MAN WHO CAN'T HAVE HIS WAY AND THE ONLY THING HE SAYS SOUNDS LIKE A BROKEN RECORD ON A DAILY BASIS. QUIT YOUR JOB, COME TO THE STATES AND CARRY PLACARDS AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE.
May be a broken record, but I was raised to admit when you are wrong , repent, ask forgiveness. Sounds like a good policy for the country that is supposed to represent the highest in values. That is what made America great, what it stood for. It could again if people like you stopped backing up fear and isolation instead of love and freedom. It comes down to choices. George Bush and his War represent the 'New America' perfectly. Why should war be acceptable, even if it has been perpetrated forever? You and your fellow Bushies are the ones that need to stop the Bull. Don't worry, it may not be too late. Operative word there is 'may'.
 

The Devil

EOG Master
Re: Truth About America that people hate to admit..and even harder to swallow

May be a broken record, but I was raised to admit when you are wrong , repent, ask forgiveness. Sounds like a good policy for the country that is supposed to represent the highest in values. That is what made America great, what it stood for. It could again if people like you stopped backing up fear and isolation instead of love and freedom. It comes down to choices. George Bush and his War represent the 'New America' perfectly. Why should war be acceptable, even if it has been perpetrated forever? You and your fellow Bushies are the ones that need to stop the Bull. Don't worry, it may not be too late. Operative word there is 'may'.

SEE ZZ, YOU ALWAYS HAVE A BUSH REFERENCE.......AGAIN YOU SPEAK AS IF YOU KNOW ME. I AM A PROUD AMERICAN. IF BUSH AND CLINTON HAD REVERSED TIME AND PRESIDENTIAL ROLES, I WOULD BE AS LOUD BACKING CLINTON. AS FAR AS FEAR GOES.....CALL CHIP AND ASK HIM HOW MANY TIMES HE SAW ME SHOW FEAR, HE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THAT FOR YOU.
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
Re: Truth About America that people hate to admit..and even harder to swallow

SEE ZZ, YOU ALWAYS HAVE A BUSH REFERENCE.......AGAIN YOU SPEAK AS IF YOU KNOW ME. I AM A PROUD AMERICAN. IF BUSH AND CLINTON HAD REVERSED TIME AND PRESIDENTIAL ROLES, I WOULD BE AS LOUD BACKING CLINTON. AS FAR AS FEAR GOES.....CALL CHIP AND ASK HIM HOW MANY TIMES HE SAW ME SHOW FEAR, HE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THAT FOR YOU.
You miss my point. The Bush administration is selling fear and you and his supporters are responsible, as well as I. I tried to stop him, what did you do? Nothing, I'm guessing. If I am wrong, I apologize.

P.S. How does backing up a murderer, even if he is our President help our country? That's like saying you would back up Hitler if he was our President. You have to draw a line somewhere and have a conscience, or just accept anything anybody tells you and enjoy being a sheep.
 

The Devil

EOG Master
Re: Truth About America that people hate to admit..and even harder to swallow

You miss my point. The Bush administration is selling fear and you and his supporters are responsible, as well as I. I tried to stop him, what did you do? Nothing, I'm guessing. If I am wrong, I apologize.

YOU TRIED TO STOP HIM?

WHAT DID YOU DO VOTE AGAINST HIM?

WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THE GUY YOU VOTED FOR WOULD HAVE BEEN ANY BETTER?
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
Re: Truth About America that people hate to admit..and even harder to swallow

YOU TRIED TO STOP HIM?

WHAT DID YOU DO VOTE AGAINST HIM?

WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THE GUY YOU VOTED FOR WOULD HAVE BEEN ANY BETTER?
I don't know that. I had no problem with giving Bush a chance until he started a war because a guy tried to kill his Daddy. We went to war with no proof, only a lot of innuendo. For this, Bush should be in jail. I did demonstrate and I did try to get public opinion behind seeking justice. What did you do?
 

The Devil

EOG Master
Re: Truth About America that people hate to admit..and even harder to swallow

I WAS THE GUY WITH THE SIGN THAT SAID PUT THOSE DEMONSTRATORS IN JAIL.
 
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