Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

NEW YORK ? Minnesota Timberwolves forward Kevin Garnett is close to going to the Phoenix Suns in a monumental three-way trade that would send Phoenix forward Amare Stoudemire to the Atlanta Hawks, league sources said Wednesday.
Atlanta would move the Nos. 3 and 11 picks in Thursday's draft, as well as Zaza Pachulia and Anthony Johnson, to Minnesota.
Minnesota owner Glen Taylor has delivered a mandate to his basketball executives to get a deal done, one league executive said.
Yahoo! Sports has learned that the trade would also save the Hawks from an emerging showdown between the front office and coaching staff over whom to draft with the third pick. The front office and coaching staff had settled on Florida power forward Al Horford, but a faction of the Atlanta Spirit ownership group, with business interests in China, is pushing them to take Yi Jianlian.

Is this too much from the Hawks?

The front office and coaching staff had settled on Florida power forward Al Horford, but a faction of the Atlanta Spirit ownership group, with business interests in China, is pushing them to take Yi Jianlian. This looks like a big problem for the Hawks if this is how they
make decisions.
:+clueless
 

roseman

EOG Dedicated
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

I think the media has speculated on this Garnett thing enough. Every day for that last 2 weeks. Give it a rest, please.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

From what I am hearing it is a done deal... All ATL has to do is sign off on it....
 
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

What a dumb deal for the Suns. Trade away the future just in the hopes you can beat the Spurs. What if the Suns don't play the Spurs? Wow if this goes through in 5 years there are going to be a lot of people scratching their heads on this one.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

The Hawks wanted Marion instead of Amare, but the Suns said No....With the History of the Hawks draft picks this is a smart move...
 
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

Its just because Marion is playing king maker with his contract status. I'm sure he doesn't want to leave the Suns, but we shall see how all this trade talk affects his attitude towards the franchise. He knows its just business, but the ego on players today its hard to say what it does to them. After all if he was a free agent how many teams would he even consider playing for? Probably could count them on one hand.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

Hard to pass up a player of Amare's status...but it still does not address the Hawks need of a Point Guard...Speedy Claxton does not get it.... But a Amare Might persuade someone to come that normally wouldn't .... Hawks have a good Young Nucleus coming back...
 
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

I was hoping Garnett would have ended up a Laker would have been fun to see what he and Kobe could have done together.
 
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

Amare is FUCKED in ATL

lmfao
As long as Billy Knight is here, you are correct.
Atlanta Spirit owners get what they deserve for
keeping him.
This ownership group is the worst in all of
sports. It is not even close.

 
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

:nono check out the Os. Angelos is the worst owner in sports. not the 2nd or 3rd worst. the worst.

:(
We will have to agree to disagree. Anyone that would still employ
Billy boy Knight with his draft record has to be the worse.
 

mofome

Banned
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

We will have to agree to disagree. Anyone that would still employ
Billy boy Knight with his draft record has to be the worse.


it seems we will. if you document everything angelos has done to the Os, its quite a case. its awful being here.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

Realistically Knight has had some good drafts...they are still young.. He took 19-20 year old kids that are just now Coming into their own in Josh Childress, Marvin Williams, and Josh Smith...All three are going to be very good players in the NBA>.. His only failure is to get a point guard... I watch the Hawks every night and I can see a Huge upside for this team if we get a couple of key Players.
 

d ray

EOG Dedicated
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

What i find amazing is that the Hawks were fighting about taking Horford or Jianlian. PG PG PG Mike Conley, what the fuck, who runs the Hawks??? Conley is a studdddddddddd! and who they should draft.
 
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

Realistically Knight has had some good drafts...they are still young.. He took 19-20 year old kids that are just now Coming into their own in Josh Childress, Marvin Williams, and Josh Smith...All three are going to be very good players in the NBA>.. His only failure is to get a point guard... I watch the Hawks every night and I can see a Huge upside for this team if we get a couple of key Players.
Childress, drafted too high, nobody else would h ave taken that high. He is a role player.
Sheldon Williams, everyone was laughing at the Hawks for picking him that
high.
Josh Smith, he better grow up fast. He had too major temper blow ups last
year, one in game and one at practice that caused suspensions. Those are
just the ones we know about.
Marvin, has some good upside but he was the wrong pick for that draft.
In the NBA you always draft for need or have a trade plan afterwards.
 
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I am just still having a hard time comprehending why the Suns would do this. I am just sick at the thought of losing one of the NBA's best at just 24 for a guy who is probably going to head downhill in a year or two. The guy has been playing pro since he was in his teens, he has to be close to wearing down physically. I know the Nash window is there, but the franchise does have to think about a future without Nash as well.

I am hoping this is just as some have suspected, trying to raise bids from the Lakers and maybe other teams in order to get them to pay up more. It just doesn't make sense to me to give up the lone inside presence for a guy that takes a lot of mid-range jumpers.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

Childress, drafted too high, nobody else would h ave taken that high. He is a role player.
Sheldon Williams, everyone was laughing at the Hawks for picking him that
high.
Josh Smith, he better grow up fast. He had too major temper blow ups last
year, one in game and one at practice that caused suspensions. Those are
just the ones we know about.
Marvin, has some good upside but he was the wrong pick for that draft.
In the NBA you always draft for need or have a trade plan afterwards.


They did draft on need in those Drafts... They needed everything....

And Smith has grown up.. He is the real deal on the court...Childress is far from a roll player...he showed that after the Break last year, and Marvin is going to be a very good player... Sheldon is fine when he is Healthy..... You add a Amare and a Point guard to them and Joe Johnson, then we will be a playoff team Next year......

I think the Problem is Woodson...but still too hard to say because when Knight and Woodson got there the Hawks only had 1-2 players who deserved to be in the NBA... Then
 

mofome

Banned
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

what the hell are the suns doing.

:+clueless

its almost impossible to get garnett for a single player and get worse. the suns would be making that happen.
 
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

They did draft on need in those Drafts... They needed everything....

And Smith has grown up.. He is the real deal on the court...Childress is far from a roll player...he showed that after the Break last year, and Marvin is going to be a very good player... Sheldon is fine when he is Healthy..... You add a Amare and a Point guard to them and Joe Johnson, then we will be a playoff team Next year......

I think the Problem is Woodson...but still too hard to say because when Knight and Woodson got there the Hawks only had 1-2 players who deserved to be in the NBA... Then

<table bgcolor="#cccccc" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" width="600"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td width="12%">Apr. 9</td> <td width="28%">Josh Smith, GF</td> <td width="70%">Team Suspension Two games</td></tr></tbody></table>He must of grown up after this tirade during a game in Philly. he cussed
the coach in front of the team and the fans when his # wasn't called
take a shot.
Shelden Williams
Josh Childress
Josh Smith
Marvin Williams
All 3 of these guys are 6'9 and you couldn't get a lottery pick for
any of them.
 

minnyace01

EOG Addicted
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

This would be an excellent trade for the Timberpuppies. They would then have 3 draft choices in the top 11. For such a deep draft, especially at the top, they will come out in much better after, and if, this trade goes down. Supposedly, there is also a trade to unload Rickey Davis that is only waiting on the Garnett trade. These could be the first good moves that McHale has done since he has been the GM of the Wolves.
 

Hache Man

"Seven Days Without Gambling Makes One Weak"
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

I really hope to see this trade go down

I still stand by my earlier opinion that Garnett replacing Amare in Phoenix instantly makes the Suns the team to beat in the NBA for the next 4-5 years.

I do understand that Stoudemire's youth would benefit Phoenix in the long run, but you have to understand that the time for the Suns is NOW because Steve Nash is already 33 years old.

There are 4 tiers of players in the NBA:

Bench/below average player
Average player
Star
Superstar

Amare fits the Star category, but Garnett is Superstar status & will put Phoenix over the top....
 

sabian06

EOG Dedicated
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

Would love to see KG with Phoenix.....Already a huge Nash fan and I think Garnett is a class act......Would be alot of fun to watch.....
 
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=yspsctnhdln>NBA official: Chances for 3-team deal overblown
</TD></TR><TR><TD height=7><SPACER type="block" width="1" height="1"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><STYLE type=text/css> td.yspwidearticlebody { font-size: 13.5px; }</STYLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=yspwidearticlebody>By BOB BAUM, AP Sports Writer
June 27, 2007

PHOENIX (AP) -- Reports the Phoenix Suns were nearing a deal to acquire Kevin Garnett were downplayed Wednesday by an NBA official with knowledge of the situation.
Contrary to several reports, the official told The Associated Press, the sides were not close to a three-team deal that would send Amare Stoudemire to Atlanta and Garnett from Minnesota to Phoenix.
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A more likely scenario would have Phoenix trading up in the order of Thursday's draft, though few teams seem interested in moving down with what's regarded as a deep talent pool available.
Suns officials did not return telephone messages left at their offices on Wednesday, but new general manager Steve Kerr indicated on Tuesday that anything that might happen probably wouldn't occur until Thursday.
"Everything usually comes down to the last minute because everybody's waiting for the home run," Kerr said Tuesday, "and usually no one hits one."
D'Antoni wasn't talking like a coach who expected to lose Stoudemire.
"We can get better with what we have," D'Antoni said, "and we should play better next year. One more year together, Amare's going to get better. We're going to be better. If we can get the end of the bench a little bit better and some of our guys come back ready to roll, then we're automatically better."
D'Antoni long has cautioned against breaking up the nucleus of a team that's won three consecutive Pacific Division titles. Stoudemire came back from microfracture surgery on one knee and arthroscopic surgery on the other to make first team all-NBA last season.
Had Stoudemire not been suspended for taking a few too many steps off the bench when San Antonio's Robert Horry sent Steve Nash crashing into the scorer's table, the Suns might have won their Western Conference semifinal series with the eventual NBA champion Spurs.
The scenario being bandied about had the Suns sending Stoudemire to Atlanta, the Hawks shifting their No. 3 pick and other selections to Minnesota, and the Timberwolves shipping Garnett to Phoenix.
The idea gained a bit of credence because Garnett, a good friend of Nash, has said he would like to play for the Suns. But Stoudemire is 24 and Garnett 31. Still, Kerr has told the players that no one on the team is untouchable.
Another supposed deal would send Shawn Marion to Boston, with the Celtics giving Minnesota their No. 5 pick and Garnett coming to Phoenix. Celtics general manager Danny Ainge deflated that report by saying it was "unlikely" Boston would trade its pick.
There was considerable evidence, though, that Phoenix was attempting to acquire a better draft pick. The Suns have the 24th and 29th picks, but many of the players brought to Phoenix to work out for the team are sure to gone before those picks.
North Carolina power forward Brandan Wright and Florida State small forward Al Thornton worked out for Phoenix on Wednesday. That follows workouts Tuesday by two members of the NCAA champion Florida Gators -- small forward Corey Brewer and power forward Joakim Noah -- along with Georgetown small forward Jeff Green.
"All really impressive kids," Kerr said on Tuesday. "They're competitors, really good players. That's why they're projected to go in the top 10."
Moving up, if it's possible at all, would not come easily. Phoenix might have to part with the pick it holds from Atlanta next season.
"Of course it's going to come with a price," Kerr said. "So you have to evaluate that, whether it means giving up something in the future, you have to evaluate whether it makes sense."
AP Sports Writer Andrew Bagnato in Phoenix contributed to this story.
Updated on Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 9:50 pm EDT
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Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

Wolves contact Bobcats to reshape Garnett trade talks

By Chad Ford
ESPN.com
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The Minnesota Timberwolves' attempts to trade Kevin Garnett continued Thursday afternoon.
The Wolves have contacted the Charlotte Bobcats to try to help facilitate a deal for Garnett, one day after a potential three-way deal with the Phoenix Suns and the Atlanta Hawks hit a roadblock.
According to sources, the Wolves are asking the Bobcats to give up the No. 8 pick along with an undisclosed player. In the proposed deal, Garnett would go to Phoenix, and the Suns would send Amare Stoudemire to Charlotte. The Bobcats would also be required to take Suns guard Marcus Banks.
The Bobcats have been offering the No. 8 pick to various teams for weeks and have several offers. If they can't get something worked out with Minnesota and Phoenix before the draft, the Bobcats will likely move the pick in another deal, a source said.
However, a source in Phoenix continues to maintain that the team has not had any conversations about trading Stoudemire.
This is just the latest turn in what has been an increasingly bizarre saga of Minnesota superstar Kevin Garnett, who was until recently considered untouchable.
ESPN.com first reported on June 18 that Minnesota GM Kevin McHale was finally listening to trade offers for Garnett and was talking to the Boston Celtics. Shortly after that, Garnett's agent said Garnett would opt out of his contract if he were traded to Boston.
In the last few days, the Lakers got into the picture, trying to work a four-way trade and then a direct deal with the Wolves for Garnett.
When that fell through, Minnesota began looking to acquire Atlanta's No. 3 and No. 11 picks in Thursday's draft along with several cap-friendly contracts from the Hawks and Phoenix Suns. To participate, Atlanta wanted Amare Stoudemire from Phoenix.
On Wednesday, sources say one of the Hawks owners vetoed a hypothetical deal for Stoudemire for financial reasons.
However, late Wednesday night the Wolves were trying to resurrect the deal in a way that would overcome the objections. The sticking point has been a trade kicker in Garnett's contract. The Wolves were talking to a fourth team that could help alleviate the financial burden on Atlanta and Phoenix.
"All I can tell you is we're talking to a lot of people," Hawks general manager Billy Knight said Wednesday afternoon, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "I can't say that anything is imminent or even likely to take place. Right now, we have the No. 3 and No. 11 picks and that's all we have.
"We feel good about what we could do if we draft at No. 3 and then again at No. 11. But we are talking ... we're talking about a lot of different things, and we're going to continue to do so up until the draft begins."
The Suns claim to have never had any direct contact with the Hawks about a deal. While they have shown strong interest in acquiring Garnett, the deal never reached a stage where they were asked by either team to give up Stoudemire and never offered him in a trade.
While teams like the Lakers and Suns will continue to pursue Garnett, and the Wolves seem intent on trading him, sources say that it's unlikely, but not impossible, that a deal goes down by the time of the draft.
The latest drama in the Garnett saga shows some of the perils of dealing with the Hawks -- arguably the most dysfunctional franchise in the league.
The Hawks ownership group, Atlanta Spirit LLC, is embroiled in a nasty lawsuit with former partner Steve Belkin. Belkin won a lawsuit against Atlanta Spirit LLC last summer and a judge ruled that he could buy out the owners of Atlanta Spirit and gain full ownership of the team. Atlanta Spirit is currently appealing the ruling.
In the meantime, Belkin holds some authority over the team. He can veto any trade or free agent signing that takes the team above the NBA salary cap. Several sources suggested that it was Belkin who vetoed the trade.
This fiasco isn't the only situation the Hawks are dealing with. Sources said that Knight is in a dispute with some of the Hawks owners over who to take at No. 3. Knight prefers Florida's Al Horford. Some in the Hawks ownership, including influential owner Michael Gearon Jr., want to draft Yi Jianlian out of China. Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.

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Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

This is a dead deal according to Minnesota news outlets here talk has now turn to who should the wolves take with the 7th pick rather then trading Garnett.
 

mofome

Banned
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

I really hope to see this trade go down

I still stand by my earlier opinion that Garnett replacing Amare in Phoenix instantly makes the Suns the team to beat in the NBA for the next 4-5 years.

I do understand that Stoudemire's youth would benefit Phoenix in the long run, but you have to understand that the time for the Suns is NOW because Steve Nash is already 33 years old.

There are 4 tiers of players in the NBA:

Bench/below average player
Average player
Star
Superstar

Amare fits the Star category, but Garnett is Superstar status & will put Phoenix over the top....


that may be true, but one is getting closer to superstar status while the other is getting closer to star status.
 

Hache Man

"Seven Days Without Gambling Makes One Weak"
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

that may be true, but one is getting closer to superstar status while the other is getting closer to star status.


That is true as well

But the important thing here, as I mentioned before, is that the time is NOW for Phoenix with Nash already 33.

At this very moment Kevin Garnett is a better player than Amare Stoudemire, period, and probably will be the next 2-3 years, before the roles change as you explained above....
 

mofome

Banned
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

That is true as well

But the important thing here, as I mentioned before, is that the time is NOW for Phoenix with Nash already 33.

At this very moment Kevin Garnett is a better player than Amare Stoudemire, period, and probably will be the next 2-3 years, before the roles change as you explained above....


i dont think its a large enough difference to warrant the deal. amare is 24 years old and just finished a playoff season where he scored 20 or more in each game. he had 21, 16 and 18 rebounds in consecutive games. he is not even a full year back into playing, i would not deal amare for garnett. with stoudemire there the time is still now and it can also be in the coming years. losing garnett and nash around the same time would set a franchise back many years. i don't think the reward is anything close to worth it.

thats just my opinion. mind you, i also defended garnett in the thread where everyone was bashing him. im a huge fan of his....i just really respect what stoud brings to the team.

:cocktail
 
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

Thank goodness the Suns didn't make that dumb move. Funny how people were saying it would happen while Suns mgmt says they never spoke about it with Atlanta ever. How in the hell do "sources" call a deal imminent when a team hasn't even been involved? Crazy.

Nash may only have 3-4 years left, but maybe more who knows if Stat can continue to build. He seems destined to be an MVP. Garnett WAS an MVP. KG has played so much and started so young its hard to say he is just in his early 30s. He's more like a guy of 35 with all that wear and tear. If this deal really would have gone through the Suns would have been trading for a player with only the Spurs in mind. That would have been nuts, Suns are close enough to have a good shot at the Spurs as it stands, they wouldn't need to make desperation moves in hopes it gets them forward.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

The Hawks and Suns did Talk... The deal was done.....The Suns are just denying it to keep harmony with the players since nothing happened... Hawks have 2 different factions of Owners... 3 live in Boston/Atlanta and 2 in Hong Kong with their businesses... They could not agree to do the Suns deal so it was called off... They had a vote this afternoon on whether to draft the Big Chinaman or Horford.. Big Al won out... This ownership group is one big clusterfuck and it needs to be remedied as soon as possible.
 
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

Who do you trust anymore Dirty? I don't trust any of these rumors anymore. Who knows what the Suns or even Hawks really said?
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

I trust Jamie Dukes on Sports Talk here ... he is friends with Knight... and he said the talks went down.... I don't trust ESPN, etc.... but Dukes is pretty accurate on his local stuff... has a good relationship with all the GM's... He even gets stuff out of Schuerholz occasionally
 
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Phoenix media says the last time they officially talked with Atlanta was over a week ago. Stoudamire said he talked to Joe Johnson about it only because both heard the rumors, but neither said the teams had actually made a real offer.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal

Prolly never got to that point as it would have to go thru the commish office with the ownership fucked up like it is in ATL... Hell even the Thrashers had to get NHL approval to do things.... That does not mean they didn't have formal talks until yesterday... If ATL could not get their shit in order and agree then they didn't want to waste anymore time.... But from What Dukes said on CSS TV and Radio here is that all ATL had to do was agree to do it and it was a pretty much done deal... Jamie is one of the Most honest Talk show hosts around and does not start up rumors. He hates that shit.
 
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