The General
Another Day, Another Dollar
This is by far the least promoted and talked about Ky Derby in my city and surrounding people, in flesh or on line.
In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
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OscarB
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Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
and interestingly enough, perhaps one of the greatest horses in years won it and has a damn good chance at the Triple Crown
and interestingly enough, perhaps one of the greatest horses in years won it and has a damn good chance at the Triple Crown
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
Bottom Line
Horse Racing doesn't really appeal to the younger generation. I've been going to the Va. Offtrarck wagering for years now. Yes, there are some younger girls/guys there for a couple drinks and to bet a race or two. ( On Derby Day) Yet--there is NO passion whatsoever for this sport amoung them. Probably no surprise. It could be --IF all betting were explored. Yet I'm speaking from an older generation.
I don't think even the horse industry totally gets it--parlay's track to track (WPS) could make it much more popular plus education for the public that kinda--not totally maybe; like it to start with. Prioblem is as with everything; don't "rock the boAT"--"WE lIKE STATUS QUO"/ tHAT TYPE THINKINING is why the offshore even CAME into BEING to START with"
Bottom Line
Horse Racing doesn't really appeal to the younger generation. I've been going to the Va. Offtrarck wagering for years now. Yes, there are some younger girls/guys there for a couple drinks and to bet a race or two. ( On Derby Day) Yet--there is NO passion whatsoever for this sport amoung them. Probably no surprise. It could be --IF all betting were explored. Yet I'm speaking from an older generation.
I don't think even the horse industry totally gets it--parlay's track to track (WPS) could make it much more popular plus education for the public that kinda--not totally maybe; like it to start with. Prioblem is as with everything; don't "rock the boAT"--"WE lIKE STATUS QUO"/ tHAT TYPE THINKINING is why the offshore even CAME into BEING to START with"
wrigley
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Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
The younger generation these days love poker the poker rooms at canterbury park is what keeps the track running when I walk into the canterbury card room it is a young crowd then you walk up the steps to the horse racing crowd and its like you enter a senior citizen home.
Horse racing industry needs to do something to get the younger crowd into the ponies how I have no ideal.
The younger generation these days love poker the poker rooms at canterbury park is what keeps the track running when I walk into the canterbury card room it is a young crowd then you walk up the steps to the horse racing crowd and its like you enter a senior citizen home.
Horse racing industry needs to do something to get the younger crowd into the ponies how I have no ideal.
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
When is the Derby General? :+clueless :dancefool
When is the Derby General? :+clueless :dancefool
The General
Another Day, Another Dollar
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
hahaha, funny guys.
hahaha, funny guys.
The General
Another Day, Another Dollar
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
Doesn't a Sunday morning Egg Mac sound good?
You know it does.
Doesn't a Sunday morning Egg Mac sound good?
You know it does.
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
The Dr. Z Theory and that type thing. (STATISTICS)!!!!! Promote it!
You know-Poker, Sports and hell even Life itslef is about Stats. You can't bet every hand or every game or take every chance that;s fun inlife.
Horse racing does not understand how to promote itself. Of course except the few BIG days that it has.
Offer track to track (WPS) parlays where the player can pick and choose WHAT he/she wants to bet! This was explained to me by an oldtimer from Ca.
What is it they can't understand. MATCHUPS-TRACKS? This is NOT ROCKET science. Yet they (operator's) live in the 1950's! (Except for maybe Nevada and Calif).
The Dr. Z Theory and that type thing. (STATISTICS)!!!!! Promote it!
You know-Poker, Sports and hell even Life itslef is about Stats. You can't bet every hand or every game or take every chance that;s fun inlife.
Horse racing does not understand how to promote itself. Of course except the few BIG days that it has.
Offer track to track (WPS) parlays where the player can pick and choose WHAT he/she wants to bet! This was explained to me by an oldtimer from Ca.
What is it they can't understand. MATCHUPS-TRACKS? This is NOT ROCKET science. Yet they (operator's) live in the 1950's! (Except for maybe Nevada and Calif).
gopherbob
EOG Dedicated
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
my guess is the future of horse racing will be the internet. i was at the canterbury card room the other day in the early afternoon and it was all seniors there too, i was tripping over their portable oxygen tanks.
my guess is the future of horse racing will be the internet. i was at the canterbury card room the other day in the early afternoon and it was all seniors there too, i was tripping over their portable oxygen tanks.
wrigley
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Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
That says more about your city than this year's Derby....you need to move to Vegas....it was well promoted and well attended here!
That says more about your city than this year's Derby....you need to move to Vegas....it was well promoted and well attended here!
The General
Another Day, Another Dollar
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
I know your perception my friend, but it is a business in turmoil for a few years now and things are not looking to get better. I really don't see how you argue this debate. I do appreciate the opinion and posts though.
I know your perception my friend, but it is a business in turmoil for a few years now and things are not looking to get better. I really don't see how you argue this debate. I do appreciate the opinion and posts though.
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
it will be less next year, but not for me, wheel see em run for them black eyed susans ,u bet cha :+wink-2+ thats my story and iam sticken to it.
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
Let me explain it then, if you really don't see. I "argue this debate" with you because I feel that your perception is wrong. For instance your first post in this thread....you're out in Bum Fcuk Egypt and because you perceive that there is less interest in the KD this year than usual, you think that is some kind of problem? I don't, and I presented my perception, which is based on facts, ie. I have been in 4 different race books over the past 2 days and there has been more interest in this KD than past years. Coast Casinos, Stations, South Pointe, Planet Hollywood, all had special promotions for the KD this year and all were well attended.
And then we had the recent thread where you posted that "horseracing was a dying breed"(I presume you meant industry, not breed, but if the industry does die, then the breed will follow). I presented 2 industry reports that showed an increase in handle, which refutes your statement.
Now, I agree with you that this industry is in turmoil, but it's been like that for decades and even though many of the tracks of my youth have closed, the remaining tracks are stronger than ever. That is a fact....in spite of Frank Stronach's apparent attempts to singlehandedly ruin horseracing himself! (the Youbet fiasco this KD)
But I appreciate your posts also; we're like good cop/bad cop...you keep posting ridiculous fallacies about horseracing and I get to rebutt them. Carry on...Semper Fi
Let me explain it then, if you really don't see. I "argue this debate" with you because I feel that your perception is wrong. For instance your first post in this thread....you're out in Bum Fcuk Egypt and because you perceive that there is less interest in the KD this year than usual, you think that is some kind of problem? I don't, and I presented my perception, which is based on facts, ie. I have been in 4 different race books over the past 2 days and there has been more interest in this KD than past years. Coast Casinos, Stations, South Pointe, Planet Hollywood, all had special promotions for the KD this year and all were well attended.
And then we had the recent thread where you posted that "horseracing was a dying breed"(I presume you meant industry, not breed, but if the industry does die, then the breed will follow). I presented 2 industry reports that showed an increase in handle, which refutes your statement.
Now, I agree with you that this industry is in turmoil, but it's been like that for decades and even though many of the tracks of my youth have closed, the remaining tracks are stronger than ever. That is a fact....in spite of Frank Stronach's apparent attempts to singlehandedly ruin horseracing himself! (the Youbet fiasco this KD)
But I appreciate your posts also; we're like good cop/bad cop...you keep posting ridiculous fallacies about horseracing and I get to rebutt them. Carry on...Semper Fi
WildBill
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Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
You can't compare a Derby to everyday racing. That is like someone saying an exciting World Series should excite people to watch more baseball in late-April. It doesn't translate, people love big events but they don't enjoy the grind of too many seemingly insignificant events. Sort of like how does a low-level claimer race resonate to someone who enjoys the excitement of the Derby?
Too much racing for too few fans if you ask me. Too easy to bet on races from 10+ tracks a day, which even though it grows the pools, it dilutes the race to race interest level. Races just become results and not exciting 2 minute events. Don't know how to deal with this, the industry can't exactly reduce oversupply on its own.
You can't compare a Derby to everyday racing. That is like someone saying an exciting World Series should excite people to watch more baseball in late-April. It doesn't translate, people love big events but they don't enjoy the grind of too many seemingly insignificant events. Sort of like how does a low-level claimer race resonate to someone who enjoys the excitement of the Derby?
Too much racing for too few fans if you ask me. Too easy to bet on races from 10+ tracks a day, which even though it grows the pools, it dilutes the race to race interest level. Races just become results and not exciting 2 minute events. Don't know how to deal with this, the industry can't exactly reduce oversupply on its own.
The General
Another Day, Another Dollar
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
Pioneer, growing up in Indiana and visiting these horse parks quite often prior to 2000, I seen days during the week when the tracks, Turfway, Riverdowns, Churchill were packed and lines had to be stood in to make a wager. As the years go by and each time I go back, most recently Turfway, it's like a ghost town and very little excitement in the air. I am reporting from a perspective from these midwest tracks and their losses esp. because of casinos. And, even if the slots are set-up in the parks, I think it really to late to save the downfall. Another couple factors are the cheating that has came to the attention and minds of many as well as the online gaming sector taking people away from these tracks. Places like Keeneland and Santa Anita I think will have positive returns although I wonder the losses Keeneland has sustained due to the purchase of Turfway because it was a losing buy I think. Hypothetically, Keeneland will be around for a long time after us because that is the capital of horse racing IMO. Those rich horse breeders down there will keep Keeneland open for a long time as well as Churchill I suspect but all in all my eyes & ears perceive declines and lack of interest. Much more interest in the casinos. Quite amazing action for these casinos also when I look at it. Anyhow, thanks for the civil debate.
Pioneer, growing up in Indiana and visiting these horse parks quite often prior to 2000, I seen days during the week when the tracks, Turfway, Riverdowns, Churchill were packed and lines had to be stood in to make a wager. As the years go by and each time I go back, most recently Turfway, it's like a ghost town and very little excitement in the air. I am reporting from a perspective from these midwest tracks and their losses esp. because of casinos. And, even if the slots are set-up in the parks, I think it really to late to save the downfall. Another couple factors are the cheating that has came to the attention and minds of many as well as the online gaming sector taking people away from these tracks. Places like Keeneland and Santa Anita I think will have positive returns although I wonder the losses Keeneland has sustained due to the purchase of Turfway because it was a losing buy I think. Hypothetically, Keeneland will be around for a long time after us because that is the capital of horse racing IMO. Those rich horse breeders down there will keep Keeneland open for a long time as well as Churchill I suspect but all in all my eyes & ears perceive declines and lack of interest. Much more interest in the casinos. Quite amazing action for these casinos also when I look at it. Anyhow, thanks for the civil debate.
The Devil
EOG Master
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
OUTSIDE OF BIG RACES, NEW YORK AREA TRACKS DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR THE ATTENDANCE THEY USED TO HAVE.
PLACES LIKE THE MEADOWLANDS WOULD GET A 25-30,000 ATTENDANCE WHICH IS NOW MAYBE 10,000.........HANDLE MAY BE UP, BUT IT IS ALL OFF TRACK BETS.
BELMONT DURING THE WEEK WHILE NOT EXACTLY A GHOST TOWN IS NEVER CROWDED.
AQUADUCT HAS MORE PEOPLE WITH WALKERS THAN YOU SEE IN A NURSING HOME.
OUTSIDE OF BIG RACES, NEW YORK AREA TRACKS DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR THE ATTENDANCE THEY USED TO HAVE.
PLACES LIKE THE MEADOWLANDS WOULD GET A 25-30,000 ATTENDANCE WHICH IS NOW MAYBE 10,000.........HANDLE MAY BE UP, BUT IT IS ALL OFF TRACK BETS.
BELMONT DURING THE WEEK WHILE NOT EXACTLY A GHOST TOWN IS NEVER CROWDED.
AQUADUCT HAS MORE PEOPLE WITH WALKERS THAN YOU SEE IN A NURSING HOME.
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
General/Devil,
I agree that track attendance is down...I don't agree that is a sign of a "dying breed" or a "lack of interest". Horseplayers are playing at home online or at the OTB. Your perception of a decline in handle and interest based on your Indiana tracks is counterbalanced by the 156K attendance at Churchill yesterday, 2nd highest track attendance ever, and the healthy attendance at all the Vegas racebooks, which I reported to you. And wait until Indiana allows the slots....you'll have lotsa idiots there playing those one-armed bandits(Wow...that gives my age away) and supplying purse money for the horses. Horsebetting is a unique form of gambling in that, like sportsbetting, it requires some thought, unlike slot machines. And unlike sportsbetting, there is the opportunity to make a big score in the exotics. Horseracing will never be as popular as it was in the 1930's, but it will survive, unless it kills itself, and Stronach is making a damned good attempt at that!
General/Devil,
I agree that track attendance is down...I don't agree that is a sign of a "dying breed" or a "lack of interest". Horseplayers are playing at home online or at the OTB. Your perception of a decline in handle and interest based on your Indiana tracks is counterbalanced by the 156K attendance at Churchill yesterday, 2nd highest track attendance ever, and the healthy attendance at all the Vegas racebooks, which I reported to you. And wait until Indiana allows the slots....you'll have lotsa idiots there playing those one-armed bandits(Wow...that gives my age away) and supplying purse money for the horses. Horsebetting is a unique form of gambling in that, like sportsbetting, it requires some thought, unlike slot machines. And unlike sportsbetting, there is the opportunity to make a big score in the exotics. Horseracing will never be as popular as it was in the 1930's, but it will survive, unless it kills itself, and Stronach is making a damned good attempt at that!
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
Suffolk back on right track: Optimism greets new season
By Rich Thompson
Saturday, May 5, 2007 - Updated: 10:34 AM EST
Richard Fields realizes the sport of horse racing is in trouble and knows it will take an industry-wide effort to reverse those struggles in the future.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><SCRIPT language=JavaScript type=text/JavaScript><!--function sndUrl(data){ url = data.split('|'); window.location = url[0];}//--></SCRIPT> “The industry has lost . . . not just a generation but multiple generations of customers,” he said. “We need to come up with a program to get those customers back, and when they are here, give them a quality product, which the horsemen will do.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> “What you have to do - if you are going to be in this business in a jurisdiction that doesn’t rely on gaming revenues - is have a plan, a vision, a strong stomach, staying power and a partnership with the horsemen.”
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Fields, whose Coastal Development Massachusetts recently acquired a controlling interest of Suffolk Downs, was in East Boston yesterday talking with track employees and overseeing renovations he hopes will attract patrons to today’s opening day card.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Ten live races will coincide with the 133rd Kentucky Derby. Suffolk then will be open for live racing on Saturdays, Mondays and Wednesdays.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> “We’ve made a commitment as a company and a family to put a lot of resources in here,” Fields said. “We have to reformat racing at this racetrack that is so important to New England.”
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Veteran trainer Karl Grusmark sees a bright future at Suffolk.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> “We left here with a great deal of pessimism,” he said.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> “Now with new ownership and a political change in the state, we come back with great optimism. Racing has always been a big fixture in Massachusetts, and with the changing political climate and the new ownership, racing can get back the stature it once had.”
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> The racetracks that withstood changes in the thoroughbred industry all have some form of alternative gaming. Those in Massachusetts, however, have watched their requests for in-house slot machines fall on deaf ears on Beacon Hill. cw-3
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> “Obviously we support (gaming),” Fields said. “It would help generate more revenue for the horsemen.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> “You want to help those folks that have made this industry a lifestyle, and there are families involved here.”
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> There are an estimated 550 horses stabled at Suffolk to start the season.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Among jockeys, Winston Thompson, winner of three straight meet titles at Suffolk, is back looking to close in on his 3,000th victory. He currently sits at 2,752.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Tammi Piermarini, Dyn Panell and David Amiss will challenge Thompson. Piermarini had a fine winter season at Tampa Bay Downs in Florida, guiding 31 mounts to the winner’s circle. She had to withdraw from the Suffolk scene last year after finding out she was pregnant.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Piermarini gave birth to her second child, Johnny, in September.
I also just recently saw an article about the possibility of Hialeah Racetrack re-opening sometime in the near future, but I can't find the article.
Suffolk back on right track: Optimism greets new season
By Rich Thompson
Saturday, May 5, 2007 - Updated: 10:34 AM EST
Richard Fields realizes the sport of horse racing is in trouble and knows it will take an industry-wide effort to reverse those struggles in the future.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><SCRIPT language=JavaScript type=text/JavaScript><!--function sndUrl(data){ url = data.split('|'); window.location = url[0];}//--></SCRIPT> “The industry has lost . . . not just a generation but multiple generations of customers,” he said. “We need to come up with a program to get those customers back, and when they are here, give them a quality product, which the horsemen will do.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> “What you have to do - if you are going to be in this business in a jurisdiction that doesn’t rely on gaming revenues - is have a plan, a vision, a strong stomach, staying power and a partnership with the horsemen.”
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Fields, whose Coastal Development Massachusetts recently acquired a controlling interest of Suffolk Downs, was in East Boston yesterday talking with track employees and overseeing renovations he hopes will attract patrons to today’s opening day card.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Ten live races will coincide with the 133rd Kentucky Derby. Suffolk then will be open for live racing on Saturdays, Mondays and Wednesdays.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> “We’ve made a commitment as a company and a family to put a lot of resources in here,” Fields said. “We have to reformat racing at this racetrack that is so important to New England.”
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Veteran trainer Karl Grusmark sees a bright future at Suffolk.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> “We left here with a great deal of pessimism,” he said.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> “Now with new ownership and a political change in the state, we come back with great optimism. Racing has always been a big fixture in Massachusetts, and with the changing political climate and the new ownership, racing can get back the stature it once had.”
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> The racetracks that withstood changes in the thoroughbred industry all have some form of alternative gaming. Those in Massachusetts, however, have watched their requests for in-house slot machines fall on deaf ears on Beacon Hill. cw-3
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> “Obviously we support (gaming),” Fields said. “It would help generate more revenue for the horsemen.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> “You want to help those folks that have made this industry a lifestyle, and there are families involved here.”
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> There are an estimated 550 horses stabled at Suffolk to start the season.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Among jockeys, Winston Thompson, winner of three straight meet titles at Suffolk, is back looking to close in on his 3,000th victory. He currently sits at 2,752.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Tammi Piermarini, Dyn Panell and David Amiss will challenge Thompson. Piermarini had a fine winter season at Tampa Bay Downs in Florida, guiding 31 mounts to the winner’s circle. She had to withdraw from the Suffolk scene last year after finding out she was pregnant.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Piermarini gave birth to her second child, Johnny, in September.
I also just recently saw an article about the possibility of Hialeah Racetrack re-opening sometime in the near future, but I can't find the article.
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
Horse racing is dying period. It would be dying faster(which it should be allowed to do) if purses were not being artificially enhanced by slot machines at many tracks which is a ridiculous process. If the demand for horse racing isn't enough to keep it going than let it die naturally like other out-dated industries. It really only thrived with the masses when it was practically the only legal way to bet. Now that there are more desirable options(people vote with their wallet) like casinos its era is over.
Horse racing is dying period. It would be dying faster(which it should be allowed to do) if purses were not being artificially enhanced by slot machines at many tracks which is a ridiculous process. If the demand for horse racing isn't enough to keep it going than let it die naturally like other out-dated industries. It really only thrived with the masses when it was practically the only legal way to bet. Now that there are more desirable options(people vote with their wallet) like casinos its era is over.
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
Right, and it's a well known fact that slot/video poker players always win....just ask RSinger
Right, and it's a well known fact that slot/video poker players always win....just ask RSinger
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
Let's not let the facts (KD attendance 156K...2nd highest ever!) get in the way of your perception!
Let's not let the facts (KD attendance 156K...2nd highest ever!) get in the way of your perception!
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
Reports of its death have been greatly exaggerated...(see Santa Anita and Keeneland increased handle; the return of Suffolk Downs, presumed dead last year; the rumored return of Hialeah in Miami; and the new slots legislation in Indiana which will spur growth there also). But go ahead and post any evidence you have that it is dying?
More desirable options? Yeah, everyone wins on those slot/video poker machines...LOL
Reports of its death have been greatly exaggerated...(see Santa Anita and Keeneland increased handle; the return of Suffolk Downs, presumed dead last year; the rumored return of Hialeah in Miami; and the new slots legislation in Indiana which will spur growth there also). But go ahead and post any evidence you have that it is dying?
More desirable options? Yeah, everyone wins on those slot/video poker machines...LOL
wrigley
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Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
CBS Marketwatch agrees as their writer pointed out on friday
Sport of Kings still racing into cyberspace
By William Spain, MarketWatch
Last Update: 1:01 PM ET May 4, 2007
CHICAGO (MarketWatch) -- With overall track attendance dwindling and its customer base trending older, the "Sport of Kings" is betting that the future prosperity for horse racing will be found in cyberspace.
And track owners are increasingly looking to bring online pari-mutuel wagering under their own wings, moving into territory that had until recently been the province of independent operators. By adding various technical bells and whistles that help to demystify handicapping, they also hope to attract newer, younger customers to the pastime.
About 90% of all horse betting is already done remotely via the phone, the Web or off-track betting centers and off-site betting it is one of the few areas of the business that is still growing. It got a recent shot in the arm when Congress essentially outlawed all other forms of Internet gambling and the feds started arresting some of the people behind offshore Web casinos and sports books.
"Online or account wagering is growing more significantly than other forms of gambling," said Anthony Cabot, an attorney with Lewis & Roca in Las Vegas who specializes in Internet gambling. "How much you can associate [that with the crackdown] is difficult to determine," but it has had some impact.
"One of the great advantages of the horse-racing industry is that it is the only lawfully recognized betting activity that can be conducted on an interstate basis both by telephone and the Internet."
While the nationwide pari-mutuel "handle" -- the total amount bet -- was up just 1.5% last year to $14.8 billion after a decline in 2005, the percentage bet online is soaring. For instance, Youbet.com which along with TVG and Magna Entertainment's Expressbet dominate much of the Internet action, saw its handle soar 62% to over $700 million.
And while all of them, including Churchill, are all locked in various battles over content issues -- who gets to use what races from which tracks and for how much -- Huntley at least is confident there is room for everyone:
"All the players in this space had growth in handle," he said. "But the entry of a new one doesn't seem to cannibalize the existing ones."
CBS Marketwatch agrees as their writer pointed out on friday
Sport of Kings still racing into cyberspace
By William Spain, MarketWatch
Last Update: 1:01 PM ET May 4, 2007
CHICAGO (MarketWatch) -- With overall track attendance dwindling and its customer base trending older, the "Sport of Kings" is betting that the future prosperity for horse racing will be found in cyberspace.
And track owners are increasingly looking to bring online pari-mutuel wagering under their own wings, moving into territory that had until recently been the province of independent operators. By adding various technical bells and whistles that help to demystify handicapping, they also hope to attract newer, younger customers to the pastime.
About 90% of all horse betting is already done remotely via the phone, the Web or off-track betting centers and off-site betting it is one of the few areas of the business that is still growing. It got a recent shot in the arm when Congress essentially outlawed all other forms of Internet gambling and the feds started arresting some of the people behind offshore Web casinos and sports books.
"Online or account wagering is growing more significantly than other forms of gambling," said Anthony Cabot, an attorney with Lewis & Roca in Las Vegas who specializes in Internet gambling. "How much you can associate [that with the crackdown] is difficult to determine," but it has had some impact.
"One of the great advantages of the horse-racing industry is that it is the only lawfully recognized betting activity that can be conducted on an interstate basis both by telephone and the Internet."
While the nationwide pari-mutuel "handle" -- the total amount bet -- was up just 1.5% last year to $14.8 billion after a decline in 2005, the percentage bet online is soaring. For instance, Youbet.com which along with TVG and Magna Entertainment's Expressbet dominate much of the Internet action, saw its handle soar 62% to over $700 million.
And while all of them, including Churchill, are all locked in various battles over content issues -- who gets to use what races from which tracks and for how much -- Huntley at least is confident there is room for everyone:
"All the players in this space had growth in handle," he said. "But the entry of a new one doesn't seem to cannibalize the existing ones."
O'Royken
EOG Dedicated
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
Problem was talked about on TVG.
You couldn't bet the race on your TVG account and what happened to "The Works" this past weekend that used to be televised by TVG?
TVG gave the race minimal coverage and there was no hype at all from them since you couldn't bet the race on your TVG account.
Problem was talked about on TVG.
You couldn't bet the race on your TVG account and what happened to "The Works" this past weekend that used to be televised by TVG?
TVG gave the race minimal coverage and there was no hype at all from them since you couldn't bet the race on your TVG account.
trytrytry
All I do is trytrytry
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
I have been there 8 years in a row and I walk from the same corner of the infiled to the walking ring and this year was the easieast to do that in 8 years. no chance they have that many people at the track. It took much less time to get home from the same parking lot as well. I do not buy churchills numbers on people attending. the infield is an estimate, they dont give you a ticket they sort of take your money by hand and let you in. no counter, no turnstyle, they make up an infiled nujmber and its way too high. They cant count that many $5 $10 and $20 bills by had by 6pm that night to give an attendence fig...
I have been there 8 years in a row and I walk from the same corner of the infiled to the walking ring and this year was the easieast to do that in 8 years. no chance they have that many people at the track. It took much less time to get home from the same parking lot as well. I do not buy churchills numbers on people attending. the infield is an estimate, they dont give you a ticket they sort of take your money by hand and let you in. no counter, no turnstyle, they make up an infiled nujmber and its way too high. They cant count that many $5 $10 and $20 bills by had by 6pm that night to give an attendence fig...
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
A dry crowd of 156,635 is Derby's third-largest
By Jody Demlingand Gregory A. Hall
The Courier-Journal
<!-- VIDEO OUTPUT --><!-- VIDEO LINKS --><!-- STORY TEXT --><!--ARTICLE BODY TEXT-->Despite a forecast that called for rain yesterday, the Kentucky Derby drew the third-largest crowd in 133 years at Churchill Downs.
It never rained during the races, and a crowd of 156,635 enjoyed the weather with temperatures in the upper 70s.
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A dry crowd of 156,635 is Derby's third-largest
By Jody Demlingand Gregory A. Hall
The Courier-Journal
<!-- VIDEO OUTPUT --><!-- VIDEO LINKS --><!-- STORY TEXT --><!--ARTICLE BODY TEXT-->Despite a forecast that called for rain yesterday, the Kentucky Derby drew the third-largest crowd in 133 years at Churchill Downs.
It never rained during the races, and a crowd of 156,635 enjoyed the weather with temperatures in the upper 70s.
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Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
most those people in the churchill infield were there for the party yesterday, we had 16,500 at canterbury park yesterday now they will be lucky to ever get a five figure crowd the rest of the meet.
Be interesting to know how many in the infield could even read a racing form
most those people in the churchill infield were there for the party yesterday, we had 16,500 at canterbury park yesterday now they will be lucky to ever get a five figure crowd the rest of the meet.
Be interesting to know how many in the infield could even read a racing form
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
So much for the perceptions from BFE...
Record Handle Of $27.7 Million On Derby Day At Hollywood Park
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</td></tr><tr><td>CUTLINE_HERE</td></tr><tr><td class="small" align="right">PHOTO_BY_HERE</td></tr></table> --><!-- /STORY PHOTO -->INGLEWOOD, Calif. (May 6, 2007) ? Hollywood Park handled a record $27.7 million on Saturday?s Kentucky Derby program, surpassing the mark of $26.7 million which was the largest single-day handle in California in 2006.
Saturday?s handle was the second-highest in Hollywood Park?s 68-year history, surpassed only by Breeders? Cup Day in 1997, when total handle was $67,096,242.
The on-track handle of $4,991,298 was up 1.7 percent from the figure of $4,907,421 in 2006. Total handle of $27,757,694 ? the highest in California to date in 2007 ? was up 3.9 percent from the figure of $26,712,087 in 2006. Handle on Hollywood Park races was $16,778,892, up 9.6 percent from the figure of $15,309,172 in 2006.
So much for the perceptions from BFE...
Record Handle Of $27.7 Million On Derby Day At Hollywood Park
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</td></tr><tr><td>CUTLINE_HERE</td></tr><tr><td class="small" align="right">PHOTO_BY_HERE</td></tr></table> --><!-- /STORY PHOTO -->INGLEWOOD, Calif. (May 6, 2007) ? Hollywood Park handled a record $27.7 million on Saturday?s Kentucky Derby program, surpassing the mark of $26.7 million which was the largest single-day handle in California in 2006. Saturday?s handle was the second-highest in Hollywood Park?s 68-year history, surpassed only by Breeders? Cup Day in 1997, when total handle was $67,096,242.
The on-track handle of $4,991,298 was up 1.7 percent from the figure of $4,907,421 in 2006. Total handle of $27,757,694 ? the highest in California to date in 2007 ? was up 3.9 percent from the figure of $26,712,087 in 2006. Handle on Hollywood Park races was $16,778,892, up 9.6 percent from the figure of $15,309,172 in 2006.
The General
Another Day, Another Dollar
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
156K
I'd like to have the exact figure @ 4 & 5 PM Est, the supposed hour and 5 mins from post time, although it went off later. (IN TRACK ATTENDANCE).
156K
I'd like to have the exact figure @ 4 & 5 PM Est, the supposed hour and 5 mins from post time, although it went off later. (IN TRACK ATTENDANCE).
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
General,
And in retrospect, even though this Derby may have seemed to be the least promoted and talked about in years, because of the Queen's visit and Street Sense breaking the juvenile jinx, it will certainly be one of the most memorable derbies in history.(even moreso should SS complete the TC)
General,
And in retrospect, even though this Derby may have seemed to be the least promoted and talked about in years, because of the Queen's visit and Street Sense breaking the juvenile jinx, it will certainly be one of the most memorable derbies in history.(even moreso should SS complete the TC)
The General
Another Day, Another Dollar
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
It's all good, pioneer. One thing for sure, buddy. Time will prove any theory. I don't believe it is going to just die off in our lifetime.
It's all good, pioneer. One thing for sure, buddy. Time will prove any theory. I don't believe it is going to just die off in our lifetime.
Re: In all my years of following the ponies...(Kentucky Derby)
Damn you, General!!!! You know how I hate agreement and thrive on conflict!!! LOL
Damn you, General!!!! You know how I hate agreement and thrive on conflict!!! LOL