Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

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Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

April 21, 2007
By DANIEL BARLOW Vermont Press Bureau

MONTPELIER ? In a stunning reversal, the Vermont Senate approved a resolution early Friday morning calling for the impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney.

The vote makes the Senate the first state legislative body in the country to call for Bush's impeachment. At least nine other states have similar resolutions pending.

The 16-9 vote urging the U.S. Congress to begin impeachment hearings came without debate. The vote fell mostly along party lines, although three Democrats joined six Republicans in opposing it.

The approval comes after weeks of pressure by impeachment activists on Senate President Pro Tem Peter Shumlin, D-Windham, who has said he supports Bush's impeachment but thought the body lacked sufficient time this session to vote on it.

Attention now turns to the Vermont House, where an impeachment resolution introduced early in the session this year has gone untouched in that body's Judiciary Committee. House Speaker Gaye Symington, D-Jericho, has been a vocal opponent of an impeachment resolution.

Still, Rep. David Zuckerman, P-Burlington, one of the issue's strongest supporters in the House, said Friday he and others are collecting signatures for a new resolution identical to the one passed by the Senate Friday.

That resolution should be introduced on the House floor next week, possibly on April 25.

Shumlin said a bipartisan effort in the Senate brought the resolution to a swift vote Friday morning. A single senator could have moved to send the issue to the Judiciary Committee, which would have delayed the vote until next year, but none did, he said.

"I've always been a supporter of impeachment and today we joined the nearly 40 Vermont towns that voted for this during town meeting," said Shumlin. He was influenced by testimony earlier this week from impeachment supporters, he said.

The symbolic gesture ? which says senators have "serious questions of constitutionality" regarding the administration's foreign and domestic actions ? was a Senate resolution only and will not be forwarded to the House, although supporters expect the issue to be raised in that body next week.

James Leas, a South Burlington attorney who has been organizing impeachment rallies at the State House, called the vote a victory for the grassroots movement, which sprung out of the tiny Windham County town of Newfane last year.

"This really shows the value and importance of citizen participation," Leas said, referring to Tuesday's rally, which brought 130 impeachment supporters to the State House. "Peter Shumlin's conscience won out and he moved forward and took action."

Sen. Kevin Mullen, R-Rutland, one of the six Republicans in the room Friday morning who voted against the resolution, said he was disappointed Shumlin wasted the time of legislative staff to prepare the measure.

"Vermonters are looking for us to address rising property taxes and other meaningful issues and not resolutions that are essentially meaningless," Mullen said. "It's time to go back and talk about those real issues."

Symington, speaking to reporters from her office Friday, said she would send the issue to a House committee if it is raised next week. Even if it does come to a floor vote, she and other House Democratic leaders said, it is unlikely to pass.

"I think the outcome would be different in the House," said Symington, who said she "deplores the actions and policies" of the Bush administration but believes the Vermont Legislature should focus on local issues over which it has authority.

Rep. Mike Fisher, D-Lincoln, who sponsored a House resolution in February calling for an end to the Iraq War, agreed that House Democrats may not have enough votes to pass an impeachment resolution.

"The proponents of impeachment had a victory today," Fisher said. "I ask them to consider how it might be different on the House floor ? because it may not be as easy or possible as it was in the Senate."

Robert Roper, the chairman of the Vermont Republican Party, said the Senate vote perpetuates the image that the state's values and beliefs are "out of the mainstream." He criticized Shumlin for proposing the resolution.

"It really just looks like Shumlin caved to please the impeachment supporters," Roper said. "He shucked and jived until he had no choice but to offer the resolution."

Friday's Senate vote came when Lt. Gov. Brian Dubie, a Republican who normally presides over the chamber, took a scheduled absence to look at colleges with his son in California.

Shumlin presides over the Senate when Dubie is gone, and he said he contacted the lieutenant governor Thursday night to inform him of his plan to introduce the resolution. Shumlin said Dubie's absence had nothing to do with the timing of the vote.

Dubie said Friday he would have sent the resolution to the Senate Judiciary Committee, just as he would do with any "complex or controversial" bill.

"I do not support this resolution because I do support the president," said Dubie, a member of the U.S. Air Force Reserve who attended Bush's speech at Ground Zero in New York City days after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Vermont impeachment supporters ? a grassroots coalition that has been building since Newfane voted at its 2006 town meeting to remove Bush ? had been pressuring the Legislature to vote on the issue in hopes it would trigger a vote in the U.S. Congress.

Citing a provision in Jefferson's Manual of Parliamentary Practice, an 1801 handbook written by then-Vice President Thomas Jefferson, supporters hoped that a "yes" vote in the Vermont House and Senate would force the U.S. House, where presidential impeachment hearings would begin, to propose that legislation.

Shumlin said he agrees with supporters that passage by both houses of the Vermont Legislature would require the U.S. House to take up the issue.

"This strengthens their case," he said.

But Symington disagreed with the validity of the parliamentary procedure. Legal staff informed her that the procedure only references past impeachment practices relating to appointed federal positions serving within the same state as the legislature, she said.

"My impression is that this manual has been misunderstood," she said.

Still, Vermont's congressional delegation ? including U.S. Rep. Peter Welch, its lone congressman in the House ? is not interested in pursuing impeachment in Washington, at least not unless the numerous investigations the Bush administration is now facing produce evidence of any impeachable offenses.

Hours after Friday's state Senate vote, Welch and Vermont's two U.S. senators ? Patrick Leahy and Bernard Sanders ? released a joint statement saying they "fully understand and share the frustration and anger of Vermont legislators and many Vermonters with the Bush administration ? one of the worst and most destructive in American history."

The statement added, "Currently, for the first time since President Bush has been in office, there are a number of investigations taking place regarding the actions of the Bush administration ? Before we talk about impeachment, it is imperative that these investigations be allowed to run their course and we should then follow wherever the facts lead."

Impeachment supporters will hold a rally today outside of City Hall in Burlington at noontime to drum up support for action in the Vermont House and U.S. Congress.
 
Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

What a waste. We elect people to serve and they waste time
with crap like this.
Why don't they urge people to stop lying, cheating, stealing,
etc etc.
 
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stucco43

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Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

waste to stop this illegal criminal operation in the name of the once peaceful country USA?
good for vermont
 

The General

Another Day, Another Dollar
Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

He won't get much backing and although I cannot stand this man, DC, I wish our Congress had the time to follow-up.
 

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Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

What a waste. We elect people to serve and they waste time
with crap like this.
Why don't they urge people to stop lying, cheating, stealing,
etc etc.

"Lying, cheating, stealing, etc etc.' Quoting the Bush Crime Family doctrine again, Fury.
 
Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

"Lying, cheating, stealing, etc etc.' Quoting the Bush Crime Family doctrine again, Fury.
No, I'm pointing out a State Senate group that should be impeached
for wasting time instead of taking care of the business of the state.
Just as in San Fran yesterday when the Mayor states that no employee
of the city should help the feds in any way with work that involved
arrresting or deporting illegal immigrants.
Just another example of local and states not wanting to do THEIR job
but wanting to tell the feds what to do.
:dancefool:dancefool:dancefool
 
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stucco43

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Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

No, I'm pointing out a State Senate group that should be impeached
for wasting time instead of taking care of the business of the state.
Just as in San Fran yesterday when the Mayor states that no employee
of the city should help the feds in any way with work that involved
arrresting or deporting illegal immigrants.
Just another example of local and states not wanting to do THEIR job
but wanting to tell the feds what to do.
:dancefool:dancefool:dancefool
another example of someone uneducated on the foundation of democracy...
fury i thought u were more knowledgeable.
 
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stucco43

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Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

I am and Federal over rules state and local governments.
so just because its federal you support this illegal action...
that would be called traitor...
and in the constitution we have the right to overthrow a tyrantical regime...
throw the bastards out...
:+signs15- :+signs15- :+signs15- :+signs15- :+signs15- :+signs15-
 
Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

so just because its federal you support this illegal action...
that would be called traitor...
and in the constitution we have the right to overthrow a tyrantical regime...
throw the bastards out...
:+signs15- :+signs15- :+signs15- :+signs15- :+signs15- :+signs15-
Illegal action?
:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3
 
Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

I am and Federal over rules state and local governments.

Only in areas delegated to the Federal government in the Constitution. In areas where the power is delegated to the various states, the Feds have little or no say.
 
Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

Only in areas delegated to the Federal government in the Constitution. In areas where the power is delegated to the various states, the Feds have little or no say.
Thanks for making my point because that applies to the rules
of IMPEACHMENT
 

seedless

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Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

No, I'm pointing out a State Senate group that should be impeached
for wasting time instead of taking care of the business of the state.
Just as in San Fran yesterday when the Mayor states that no employee
of the city should help the feds in any way with work that involved
arrresting or deporting illegal immigrants.
Just another example of local and states not wanting to do THEIR job
but wanting to tell the feds what to do.
:dancefool:dancefool:dancefool


Well compared to what has been accomplished by the state legislature here in Az. so far, I like what Vermont is doing. Even though it's a waste of time, it's a nice gesture.

The Mayor of SF, was doing the same thing. He knows that illegal immigrants can't afford to live in SF, anyway.

Everybody on this board knows that you can't tell the Feds shit. They're autonomous, and are going to do what they want anyway. It's akin to trying to debate Doc on an issue.
 
Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

Everybody on this board knows that you can't tell the Feds shit. They're autonomous, and are going to do what they want anyway. It's akin to trying to debate Doc on an issue.
If this ^^^^^^^^^ is so true then the citizens of San Fran and Vermont
should impeach the respective parties for those actions. A true waste of
taxpayers money.
Damn I am so freakin tired of all the grandstanding from ALL politicians.
 

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Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

Agree with your view on grandstanding politicians 100%, Fury.

But also kind of feel as though it's in the taxpayers best interests to keep the politicians sidetracked on meaningless fluff issues. Than have them enacting more bullshit legislation, regulations, and laws to imprison more of their lawful constituents.

It would have been nice if the Republican Senators Frist, Kyle, and Leach, were sidetracked by a fluff issue, instead 'grandstanding' for their social conservative base. The night they conspired to add the UIGEA amendment to an unrelated Safe Ports bill that fucked up my livelihood.
 
Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

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the state senate has absolutely no say so on the president so that is all it is...grandstanding and a waste of time..
if it were in my home state i would be pissed..

how about doing something for your state instead of trying to get voters attention to get re elected..........that is all they are doing and anyone that disagrees with me has blinders on....
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Re: Vt. Senate urges Bush impeachment

The two main accomplishments of the conservative Republican Arizona legislatures session so far.

1- Enacted a law making motels that rent by the hour - illegal.

2- Enacted a law regulating / limiting, the fees that 'payday loan' companies can charge.

I would feel better about the accomplishments of the Vermont state legislature if I lived there.
 
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The two main accomplishments of the conservative Republican Arizona legislatures session so far.

1- Enacted a law making motels that rent by the hour - illegal.

2- Enacted a law regulating / limiting, the fees that 'payday loan' companies can charge.

I would feel better about the accomplishments of the Vermont state legislature if I lived there.[/quote
Whoa there buddy.....
#2 is a huge deal. There are a lot of people that live paycheck to
paycheck and use the payday service. I had a buddy here in
Georgia that was in that business. Georgia outlawed it 2 years
ago. My buddy told me that you would not believe how many
of his customers were professionals. People that had gone thru
a divorce, injury, lawsuit etc and had a money crunch.
But if you let these payday people run wild, they charge all
types of fees and extras besides the high interest rates.
So good job on the payday loan law.
By the way, many young military men and women have used
this service also.
Too many bad apples in that business.
 
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From what I know regarding the polity of San Francisco and Vermont, I would imagine that a majority of the voters are in favor of the actions taken by their elected representatives. Moreover, in this current day and age of extensive polling, I don't think that there are many elected officials who would go out on a limb regarding such resolutions unless they felt that their constituents were already on board.
While I do believe that distracting our elected officials with such toothless activities is better for the republic, such resolutions are not entirely useless. They serve to let others around the country know what the voters support in the locality where the resolution was passed. I believe that our congresscritters do pay attention to which way the wind is blowing on any particular issue. Such resolutions may contribute to a sort of snowballing effect as more of the country's informed citizenry come to realize exactly how negligent and/or criminal the actions of the current regime have been, and how detrimental those actions have been to the real American interests.
Who knows, maybe some impeachment is on the menu, in addition to the perjury indictments that I most assuredly foresee as an appetizer.
 

seedless

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#2 is a huge deal. There are a lot of people that live paycheck to
paycheck and use the payday service. I had a buddy here in Georgia that was in that business. Georgia outlawed it 2 years ago. My buddy told me that you would not believe how many of his customers were professionals. People that had gone thru a divorce, injury, lawsuit etc and had a money crunch. But if you let these payday people run wild, they charge all types of fees and extras besides the high interest rates.
So good job on the payday loan law.
By the way, many young military men and women have used this service also. Too many bad apples in that business.
Fury, you could literally take the word "payday loan" out of your response. And insert the words "internet gambling." Government protecting people from themselves.

I do agree that it is predatory lending. And bad apples would naturally be attracted. Though, the businesses destroyed by the new law probably see themselves as providing a service to the community.

And you suck at quoting.
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
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When I visited Vermont last month it made me so happy to see the IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY NOW bumperstickers. What a great state....too bad there aren't more people and states following Vermont's lead. True PATRIOTS.
 
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Fury, you could literally take the word "payday loan" out of your response. And insert the words "internet gambling." Government protecting people from themselves.

I do agree that it is predatory lending. And bad apples would naturally be attracted. Though, the businesses destroyed by the new law probably see themselves as providing a service to the community.

And you suck at quoting.
God how dumb are you, most people(not all) go to payday advance
to pay daily bills not to go gamble on the internet.
Government school systems and parents are producing dumber people
everyday in the country. So the goverment has to protect the ignorant
so the price will not be higher for the taxpayer in the future.
 
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