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But there are aspects of Giuliani?s record; his views, especially on volatile social issues; and his personal past that do not thrill conservative activists. In fact, some are inalterably opposed to him and vow to block his efforts to obtain the Republican nomination.
Though this potential downside has gotten some mention in the media, Giuliani has gone relatively unscathed by political opponents so far. But that is likely because he appeared to be genuinely uncertain about whether to plunge into a Republican nominating process that for decades has favored strongly conservative candidates.
But Giuliani moved closer to becoming an official contender for president this week? he filed a statement of candidacy with the <FORM class=yqin action=http://yq.search.yahoo.com/search method=post><INPUT type=hidden value='"Federal Election Commission"' name=p> <INPUT type=hidden value=c1,i,yn,c3 name=sourceOrder> <INPUT type=hidden value='[FONT=arial,sans-serif]Federal Election Commission[/FONT]
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The Giuliani campaign has shown, albeit unintentionally, that it at least won?t be caught unaware by any political attacks. A memo detailing Giuliani?s campaign strategy, which was apparently misplaced and leaked to the press, showed that his own campaign questioned whether his positions on social issues would be an insurmountable problem for the former mayor.
These include support for abortion rights, though he says he supports a ban on the procedure known as ?partial birth? abortion as long as there is a provision to protect the life of the pregnant woman; general support of gay rights,though he says he is opposed to same-sex marriage; and gun control, also a red flag for many conservatives, but a stand Giuliani describes as fundamental to his successful efforts to sharply reduce his hometown?s crime rate.
The memo also measured the political baggage stemming from the fact that his spouse, Judith Nathan, is his third wife; his very public divorce from his second wife, TV newswoman and actress Donna Hanover, amid allegations that he already was romantically involved with Nathan; and his former business partnership with ex-New York City police commissioner Bernard Kerik, who pleaded guilty to charges of ethics violations last year.
So Giuliani ? whose national stature stemmed largely from the label of ?America?s Mayor? that was applied to him after 9/11 ? nonetheless faces a significant challenge in winning over religious and other conservatives, who continue to be an essential segment of the electorate in the upcoming Republican primaries and caucuses.

Giuliani doesn?t need every conservative to support his bid, ?but he can?t win without some level of support from the party base,? said Dan Schnur, a veteran California Republican political insider who in 2000 was national communications director for Arizona Sen.
John McCain (news, bio, voting record)</PERSON-REF>?s run for the Republican presidential nomination.</P>
McCain, who according to polls and pundits is one of the other leading candidates for the 2008 nomination, is more conservative on social issues than Giuliani. But he also has a reputation for challenging Republican Party orthodoxy that turns off some conservatives, some of whom haven?t forgiven him yet for challenging
George W. Bush</PERSON-REF>?s status as front-runner in the 2000 contest.</P>Some conservative groups, publications and blogs have already vocalized their apprehension or outright rejection of Giuliani.
Mike Mears, executive director for the conservative Concerned Women for America?s political action committee, listed ?high moral character? as the first trait on his list of ideal presidential candidate qualities. Though Mears said the group, with its stated mission to ?protect and promote Biblical values,? has yet to completely evaluate the candidates, he did say that Giuliani?s support for abortion rights and gay rights are ?opposite? to the beliefs of members of the Concerned Women for America.
Mears stressed that the group is not writing off Giuliani, stating that there is ?always room for someone to change.? But he added that the group would require evidence of a change in order to feel comfortable about any candidate with a moderate record on social issues. Mears said the organization will look for ways to work with the eventual party nominee as well as the next president.

Other organizations express less flexibility. ?There are some who say, ?Well, all we need from Giuliani, for instance, is a promise that he?ll put in a judge that will be a good constitutionalist,? ? said
Connie Mack (news, bio, voting record)</PERSON-REF>ey, senior vice president of Action, the legislative arm of the Family Research Council (FRC). ?And we would disagree with that.?</P>The group describes its purpose is to ?educate the general public and cultural leaders about traditional American values and to promote the philosophy of the Founding Fathers concerning the nature of ordered liberty.?
Like Mears, Mackey listed the ?sanctity of life? and the preservation of marriage as two major issues on which the group will judge a candidate.
?One?s voting record, one?s statements on issues that are of concern that affect the culture are very important to organizations like the FRC,? said Mackey, who added that there?s still a ?long way to go? in the campaign.

Giuliani?s campaign aides contend that rank-and-file conservatives view the candidate much more generously than do some of the activist groups. In a memo authored by strategy director Brent Seaborn and released to the public last week, the campaign pointed to polling numbers they say show Giuliani with ?strong approval among white evangelical Christians [76 percent] and self-described conservative Republicans [82 percent].?
The Giuliani campaign announced Thursday that Republican Rep.
Candice S. Miller</PERSON-REF> of Michigan?s 10th District endorsed Giuliani and will speak in his favor this weekend at her state?s Republican Party convention in Grand Rapids.
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The Giuliani campaign announced Thursday that Republican Rep. Candice S. Miller of Michigan’s 10th District endorsed Giuliani and will speak in his favor this weekend at her state’s Republican Party convention in Grand Rapids.

Miller served as chairwoman of President Bush’s 2004 campaign in Michigan and has a mostly conservative voting record that includes voting against federal funding for stem cell research, supporting a proposed amendment to the Constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage and supporting a ban on partial-birth abortion.”

Giuliani’s campaign also argues that one or two issues will not define the contenders. “Republican primary voters will choose their candidate based on a variety of factors and they will ultimately judge the candidate as a whole,” said Giuliani spokeswoman Katie Levinson. “Rudy enjoys strong support across the country within the Republican Party from people who share his views on a variety of issues and appreciate his strong leadership and his record of result.”


Several polls on the Republican nominating contest have shown Giuliani and McCain joined in the top tier of candidates by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who espouses socially conservative views but recently has had to explain the more moderate positions he took in his political debut — an unsuccessful 1994 challenge to Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy.

Schnur said this lineup is ideal for Giuliani. “None of the top-tier Republican candidates are individuals with whom social conservatives are completely comfortable,” said Schnur. “Giuliani doesn’t have to convince these voters to trust him completely, he just has to convince them to trust him more than they trust John McCain or Mitt Romney.”

But for conservative voters who can’t reconcile themselves to any of these three, there are plenty of amenable options in the crowded Republican field. Among those appealing directly to voters on the GOP right are Sen. Sam Brownback (news, bio, voting record) of Kansas, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, California Rep. Duncan Hunter (news, bio, voting record) and former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore.

For now, said Schnur, Giuliani’s celebrity status as the mayor who lead New York City through the post-9/11 recovery efforts guarantees him prominent media coverage and more visibility than the lower-tier candidates.

Schnur added that the presence of one additional candid thing scares Republican primary voters more than the prospect of President Hillary [Rodham] Clinton,” said Schnur. “All three of the top-tier [Republican] candidates can use that fear as a way to convince more conservative voters that they’re palatable because they can beat her.”" name=context> </FORM>President Bush?s 2004 campaign in Michigan and has a mostly conservative voting record that includes voting against federal funding for stem cell research, supporting a proposed amendment to the Constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage and supporting a ban on partial-birth abortion.?
Giuliani?s campaign also argues that one or two issues will not define the contenders. ?Republican primary voters will choose their candidate based on a variety of factors and they will ultimately judge the candidate as a whole,? said Giuliani spokeswoman Katie Levinson. ?Rudy enjoys strong support across the country within the Republican Party from people who share his views on a variety of issues and appreciate his strong leadership and his record of result.?
Several polls on the Republican nominating contest have shown Giuliani and McCain joined in the top tier of candidates by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who espouses socially conservative views but recently has had to explain the more moderate positions he took in his political debut ? an unsuccessful 1994 challenge to Massachusetts Democratic Sen.
Edward M. Kennedy</PERSON-REF>.
Schnur said this lineup is ideal for Giuliani. ?None of the top-tier Republican candidates are individuals with whom social conservatives are completely comfortable,? said Schnur. ?Giuliani doesn?t have to convince these voters to trust him completely, he just has to convince them to trust him more than they trust
John McCain</PERSON-REF> or Mitt Romney.?
But for conservative voters who can?t reconcile themselves to any of these three, there are plenty of amenable options in the crowded Republican field. Among those appealing directly to voters on the GOP right are Sen.
Sam Brownback (news, bio, voting record)</PERSON-REF> of Kansas, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Colorado Rep.
Tom Tancredo</PERSON-REF>, California Rep.
Duncan Hunter (news, bio, voting record)</PERSON-REF> and former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore.
For now, said Schnur, Giuliani?s celebrity status as the mayor who lead New York City through the post-9/11 recovery efforts guarantees him prominent media coverage and more visibility than the lower-tier candidates. Schnur added that the presence of one additional candid thing scares Republican primary voters more than the prospect of President Hillary [Rodham] Clinton,? said Schnur. ?All three of the top-tier [Republican] candidates can use that fear as a way to convince more conservative voters that they?re palatable because they can beat her.?
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THERE is one woman who could cause Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, more problems than Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House: she is Donna Hanover, his second wife, writes Sarah Baxter.

Hanover, an actress and broadcaster, was enraged by Giuliani?s flagrant infidelity towards the end of their 18-year marriage and the divorce case was vicious. Giuliani?s advisers fear that she could be a loose cannon in the 2008 campaign.

Giuliani was acclaimed as the ?mayor of America? for his heroic role during the attacks on September 11, 2001 and is revered for his leadership. At the time he was living in the spare room of an apartment belonging to gay friends after Hanover forced him out of Gracie Mansion, the official residence.

Hanover refused to confirm that she would vote for Giuliani as mayor of New York even when she was married to him. ?What kind of wife is that?? Raoul Felder, Giuliani?s lawyer, fumed. ?She?s essentially saying she?s not going to vote for him.?

Hanover once stood outside a shower at Gracie Mansion, expecting to confront Judith Nathan, Giuliani?s mistress, now his third wife. In the event, a startled golfing friend of Giuliani?s emerged.

Hanover was also accused of a lack of sympathy while the former mayor was battling prostate cancer, by banishing him to a spare bedroom and exercising noisily on a treadmill at 5am.

New Yorkers relished the details of Giuliani?s larger-than-life personal story. But conservative ?values voters? could be different, as Giuliani?s own aides noted in a 140-page memo leaked last week by supporters of a rival candidate.

The campaign dossier suggested that Hanover could be one of several potentially ?insurmountable? vulnerabilities that could cause him to drop out of the race. It was an embarrassing start to a campaign that is not yet officially under way.

Giuliani?s record in fighting crime and terrorism has placed him at the top of several polls for the 2008 Republican nomination, edging out Senator John McCain in popular support. But the party base may be turned off by his support for abortion, immigration, gun control and gay rights (although not gay marriage). It is their votes that he needs to secure the nomination.

?It would be one thing if Giuliani could say, ?I?m a strong social conservative in my private life?, but he can?t even say that,? said Ramesh Ponnuru, a conservative commentator and author of The Party of Death, an attack on social liberalism. ?It?s not just the fact of his multiple marriages, it is the way the Hanover marriage melted down. It was operatic.?

When Giuliani met Hanover on a blind date in the early 1980s, his first marriage to Regina, his second cousin, was already over. Hanover, who went on to appear in the television series Ally McBeal, was a glamorous soulmate who seemed to enjoy the spotlight as much as he did.

They had two children, Andrew, 21, and Caroline, 17, but in 1996 Hanover stopped calling herself by his last name and a year later Vanity Fair magazine said that he was having an ?intimate relationship? with a senior member of his staff.

In 2000, without telling Hanover first, Giuliani announced at a press conference that he was separating from her. She retaliated by accusing him of being unfaithful with the employee, but he was already with Nathan.

Maggie Gallagher, a family values campaigner, was outraged by Giuliani?s ?scummy? performance, accusing him of making Bill Clinton ?look good as a husband and father?.

New Yorkers learnt during the divorce case that their cancer- afflicted mayor was temporarily impotent and Hanover demanded a huge settlement, including ?760 a month to care for Goalie, the family?s golden retriever.

Felder struck back, accusing Hanover of being an ?uncaring mother? who was ?howling like a stuck pig?.

In the end Giuliani, who was beginning to earn big consultancy fees after September 11, agreed to a settlement of $6.8m to avoid the full horror of a court case.

Hanover has married Ed Oster, her university sweetheart, and written a book, My Boyfriend?s Back, about rekindling an old romance. Even if she stays mum, there is enough in the public domain to rattle conservatives. Yet however vicious the personal attacks on Giuliani, they are unlikely to dent his reputation for competence. He did, after all, handle the September 11 attacks while bunking with gay friends in the midst of an affair and a divorce battle.
 

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Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

Rudy is more Moderate...He is left leaning on alot of views... but there is not a True conservative Candidate in the Republican party. They are either right wing religious nuts or a RINO (republican in name only). The true conservatives of smaller government, Individual freedom, and less taxes is not in the republican party anymore. So Realistically we are going to have a right wing nut from the right or a moderate republican that wants to keep growing the government. Either way it is a No win situation for conservatives. Doesn't matter...as the Dems only have Left wing socialists or MOderates that lean to the right....


Honesly I believe Richardson from NM will be our Next president
 

gopherbob

EOG Dedicated
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

Rudy is more Moderate...He is left leaning on alot of views... but there is not a True conservative Candidate in the Republican party. They are either right wing religious nuts or a RINO (republican in name only). The true conservatives of smaller government, Individual freedom, and less taxes is not in the republican party anymore. So Realistically we are going to have a right wing nut from the right or a moderate republican that wants to keep growing the government. Either way it is a No win situation for conservatives. Doesn't matter...as the Dems only have Left wing socialists or MOderates that lean to the right....


Honesly I believe Richardson from NM will be our Next president

i'm thinking that way myself, i wouldn't be surprised at a richardson vs romney campaign. i don't trust rudy, think mc cain is nuts, think hillary is a liability, think obama is about 8 years away, i don't mind edwards or gore,
think kerry is finished.
 
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

<TABLE id=HB_Mail_Container height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0 UNSELECTABLE="on"><TBODY><TR height="100%" width="100%" UNSELECTABLE="on"><TD id=HB_Focus_Element vAlign=top width="100%" background="" height=250 UNSELECTABLE="off">as a very conservative republican rudy would have to answer alot of questions for me and i would still have issues voting for him.

that said he would be better that ANYONE the democrats look to run.
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ynot

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Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

Only a "fancy pants" would vote for Rudolfo.:+music1-6
 

gofer5

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Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

Only a "fancy pants" would vote for Rudolfo.:+music1-6


Or a blind sheep like KTB, who will vote Republican no matter how bad they are for this Country. So KTB, you would vote for a pro choice, pro gay right's and pro gun control person. If that's the case, you sound way out there to the left to me.
 
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

I"m not American so I don't get a vote but what do you think of Biden? I saw him on "Real Time" once and he comes off as a great guy, and true leader. He does have a great plan for gettin the troops out of Iraq (better than Obama's,Clinton's and Edwards' plans) that's for sure. Also when he appeared on the Daily show he took his shots at the US press for spinning his comments about Obama (which I love -- anyone who attacks the US mainstream press is a favorite of mine)

Anyways what do you guys (Americans) think?
 
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

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my personal views.

I AM ANTI ABORTION
PRO DEATH PENALTY
GUN CONTROL TO AN EXTENT....
AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE
ANTI AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
AGAINST NATIONAL HEALTHCARE
AGAINST TAX HIKES JUST AGAINST THE RICH..THAT IS BULLSHIT EVERYONE SHOULD PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.
I BELIEVE WE NEED TO FINISH WHAT WE STARTED IN IRAQ NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON WE WENT.
I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE KILLED SADDAM IN THE 90'S SO ITS A GOOD THING WE DID NOW.
AND FOR THE RECORD HAD I BEEN PRESIDENT ON 9/11 THEN BY NOON THAT DAY THE MIDDLE EAST WOULD HAVE BEEN LAKE KRUSHER
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Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

AND FOR THE RECORD HAD I BEEN PRESIDENT ON 9/11 THEN BY NOON THAT DAY THE MIDDLE EAST WOULD HAVE BEEN LAKE KRUSHER

What a wonderul quote...you show your true colors. Because "the whole middle east" was definatly behind 9/11 right?
 
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

What a wonderul quote...you show your true colors. Because "the whole middle east" was definatly behind 9/11 right?

Not even his tag team partners Devil and Dirty can agree with that statement.

If the middle east felt the same way and attacked NorthAmerica sorry Canada you also will pay for all of George Bush LIES.

glad this KTB is on the right side:+textinb3
 

The Devil

EOG Master
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

WRIGLEY, YOU SEEM TO KNOW ALOT MORE ABOUT ME THEN I DO......

I CAN NOT 100 % AGREE WITH KTB ON WHAT HE SAID ABOUT 9-11......BUT HAD IT BEEN A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND I WASN'T SO LUCKY I WOULD HAVE AGREED 100%.....

LET ME EXPLAIN.......MY LITTLE GUY WHO IS 32 NOW, A BOND TRADER, WORKED FOR A COMPANY CALLED EURO BROKERS.........HE WORKED ON THE 86TH FLOOR OF BUILDING 2........HE SWITCHED JOBS ABOUT 3 MONTHS BEFORE 9-11.......ABOUT 60 OF THE 260 EMPLOYEES DIED THERE THAT DAY.......IF HE WAS THERE AND DIED, DO YOU THINK I WOULD HAVE CARED FOR A SECOND IF WE BLEW THE MIDDLE EAST UP????

MY BIG SON, NOW 37 WAS IN A 5 MAN PARTNERSHIP OF A FAIRLY LARGE BROKERAGE COMPANY.....THEY NEEDED MORE SPACE......WERE MAKING PLANS TO MOVE INTO SPACE VACATED BY ANOTHER LARGE COMPANY......THE DEAL FELL THROUGH AT THE LAST MINUTE AS THE COMPANIES ATTORNEYS WANTED 4 MONTHS SECURITY ON A 100,000 A MONTH RENT.......THEY BACKED AWAY FROM MOVING IN SOME OF KANTOR, FITZGERALDS SPACE......NOW MY BIG GUY WAS THE TYPE OF GUY THAT OPENED THE DOOR IN THE MORNING AND LOCKED UP AT NIGHT....HE WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY IF THE DEAL WENT THROUGH.......IF HE WAS THERE AND DIED, DO YOU THINK I WOULD GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT BLOWING UP THE MIDDLE EAST????

I ONLY LOST 1 PERSON I WAS CLOSE TO THAT DAY WRIGS.....I WAS LUCKY, MANY, MANY I KNEW GOT AWAY LUCKY.......1 GIRL LOST A BABY, HAS NIGHTMARES EVERYNIGHT AND BASICLY HAS LOST A MARRIAGE BECAUSE OF IT....THINK SHE CARES????

SEEMS THAT THE FURTHER AWAY FROM IT THE LESS YOU CARE........

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE KIDS, OR FAMILY........BUT IF YOU SAY YOU WOULDN'T BE BITTER IF9-11 HAPPENED IN YOUR BACKYARD, OR IF YOU LOST SOMEONE CLOSE BECAUSE OF IT.....I WILL SAY I DON'T BELIEVE YOU......

I LOVE THE GUYS THAT SAY THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A HARDON FOR A DRUNK THAT KILLED ONE OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS......BUT IT SEEMS EVERYTIME I READ A PAPER ALL I SEE IS FAMILY MEMBERS LOOKING FOR THE BLOOD OF THE DRUNK DRIVER.........GUESS MAYBE YOU HAVE TO BE INVOLED IN SOMETHING TO HAVE HATRED......
 
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

There's a big difference between saying "Nuke Al-Quaida" and "Nuke The Middle East" just making sure KTB knows the difference. That's the reason for my response. And if you lump the two together as if to say that all people that make up the middle east were behind 9/11, well like I said you show your ignorance
 
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

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i really dont care if some canadian quack thinks i am off the reservation or not...that is how i felt that day...did i feel the same 30 days later..no.. but that is what would have happened that day...period.
would i blow up most of the middle east now...you bet your ass....




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I lost 4 good frie
 

ynot

EOG Dedicated
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

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i really dont care if some canadian quack thinks i am off the reservation or not...that is how i felt that day...did i feel the same 30 days later..no.. but that is what would have happened that day...period.
would i blow up most of the middle east now...you bet your ass....





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I lost 4 good frie​

get over it you are a HAS BEEN.
 

The Devil

EOG Master
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

YNOT, I THINK YOU DROPPED YOUR PRAYER RUG IN THE WRONG PLACE........AND COUNTRY...........
 

The Devil

EOG Master
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

YNOT, AT LEAST YOU ARE GETTING BETTER, YOU DIDN'T WISH DEATH ON ANYONE HERE LATELY....GOOD FOR YOU.........
 

ynot

EOG Dedicated
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

YNOT, AT LEAST YOU ARE GETTING BETTER, YOU DIDN'T WISH DEATH ON ANYONE HERE LATELY....GOOD FOR YOU.........

I don't recall that if you have an example please produce or .... as they say STFU.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

YNOT you know exactly what he is talking about.... I will dig it up if need be
 

THEONE

EOG Senior Member
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

get over it you are a HAS BEEN.


i guess you dont care that so many americans died... and that ktb had friends there....
what a pathetic american you are.
 
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

would i blow up most of the middle east now...you bet your ass....

Because "The Middle East" is what makes up Al-Quaida and Osama Bin Laden right?? Countries like Lebanon, Israel, Egypt, Syria, Kuwait, are included in the Middle East, but you just go ahead and keep being ignorant.

If you want to "try" to be smart with your comments about revenge, which you have every right to, you should be saying

"would I blow up most of Pakistan and Afghanistan to find OBL...you bet your ass"

Then I'd have no problem w/ your comments
 

ynot

EOG Dedicated
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

YNOT you know exactly what he is talking about.... I will dig it up if need be


I really don't know what you are talking about. If it's something from months ago I'm sure I apologised.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

if a Bullfrog had wings I am sure he would not Bump his ass when he jumped either
 
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

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ynot

EOG Dedicated
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

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Looks like more 'Dirty" tricks, just post it so... I can have a good laugh........

Says "page not found" when I try it. LOL
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

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dirty

EOG Master
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

Link worked for me....just more rubbish from you like we have come to expect
 

ynot

EOG Dedicated
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

And you find something wrong with that ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

Would love to see Duncan Hunter get in there, but not too many know about him.

He doesn't cave to liberal weaklings!
 
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

Liberal - a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties.

Conservative - Resistance to change.
 
Re: Is Rudy right for true conservatives?

I'm sorry but I am at a loss at how someone who loses friends or family feels "better" that hundreds of thousands or millions of innocent lost their lives elsewhere. How exactly does that improve your view on life?
 
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